Whats going on?

Insane · 2020-02-19 23:23:36

Zwarrior wrote:

read again, i am not telling anybody how to play, what i am typing is that he was being asked to move, lets see the situation again:
they were being raped by the other team, that means that in that situation it is difficult to take off by plane, therefore the players choosed to use AA gun, and asked this player to move to other AA guns that were empty (they spend 1 minute look at the chat log), and they did asked him by chat and radio, he typed that he heared the radio spaming calling him to bail out. again i think Jorgen is right. (for example 4 AA gunners would be more succesful to defend than just 2 or 1 in my opinion).

Z, jorgen was wrong. Who wants to take an AA could just go and take it. That's all. Nothing to discuss.
Just close this topic.

jorgen wrote:

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so if a guy decides hunt for tanks with apc on axis side on map omaha when axis have no flag. this is totally ok?
if a guy runs carrier on ground in front of defgun on iwo jima/wake/midway that is also ok?

Please don't mix the situation with other cases.
It's absolutely different.
The reason to kill him was contrived.

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jorgen · 2020-02-20 00:39:04

all i am saying there is nothing against the rules doing shit like that

Insane · 2020-02-20 00:44:11

But still you exaggerate the situation calling it "shit" while the occupying an AA gun is not even close to your example of taking an APC on a suicidal ride, using it as a taxi and so on.

jorgen · 2020-02-20 00:47:16

so where do you think the invisible line is going?

Insane · 2020-02-20 01:03:31

If you don't understand the difference, I can't help it.

jorgen · 2020-02-20 01:10:49

rules:
- Please respect all players. Behavior only meant to disturb or upset players is forbidden.
i dont think you understand the situation here.

refusing to move to a free aa gun is disturbing and upsetting players, but killing enemy while doing it is not only disturbing/upsetting. so not against the rules

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Sunshine · 2020-02-20 01:17:11

Come the fuck on.

This misunderstanding could've been solved in 5 posts at the most.

Using AA, no matter how good they're doing or which one they're using, isn't a kickable offense unless they're shooting teammates or idle. It's just like pilots... as long as they're not breaking the rules, they can do whatever they want with it... bail, kamikaze, etc.

Beaching a ship on purpose has often been viewed as a kickable offense.

bud · 2020-02-20 01:23:40

Usually one move to position 1 (driver) so next guy can get on aa fast, then he moves forward and you can move back to aa again.

This whole operation takes like less then a second. I'm surprised a "pro player" doesnt know and use this concept.

Also very important to try and keep pos 1 free as much as possible so aa gunners can get cover for some seconds when attacked bu a plane.

jorgen · 2020-02-20 01:26:32

sunshine, there is nothing against the rules beaching a ship. if the captain just want to go to land and kill enemy.
i'm putting things a bit exaggerated to make a point.. being the devils advocate.

what took you so long bud? and tnx zwarrior for your suport.
but still i made a stupid mistake !killing him

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Sunshine · 2020-02-20 01:34:33

jorgen wrote:

sunshine, there is nothing against the rules beaching a ship. if the captain just want to go to land and kill enemy.
i'm putting things a bit exaggerated to make a point.. being the devils advocate.
what took you so long bud? and tnx zwarrior for your suport.
but still i made a stupid mistake !killing him

Answered multiple times in public and admin section.

Early example in 2012...

http://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic. … 2182#p2182

Dakota · 2020-02-20 01:34:57

You made a mistake, you said sorry and thats all they got to know Jorgen !! Just like Sunshine 5 posts would be enought !! Stop replying and this will be the end of this !!!! ENDEEE!!!!

Insane · 2020-02-20 01:42:05

bud wrote:

Usually one move to position 1 (driver)...

That usually makes you lose that AA position to some retarded BFSoldier that can't hit shit and often don't even react to the planes flying over. Saw +100500 situations like that. And you can't do anything.

Insane · 2020-02-20 01:48:31

Really jorgen? You minus me for saying an obvious thing? A public server barely had any teamplay. You leave AA gun or a ship - any random guy just takes it and that's all.

valento · 2020-02-20 01:52:25

bud wrote:

Usually one move to position 1 (driver) so next guy can get on aa fast, then he moves forward and you can move back to aa again.
This whole operation takes like less then a second. I'm surprised a "pro player" doesnt know and use this concept.
Also very important to try and keep pos 1 free as much as possible so aa gunners can get cover for some seconds when attacked bu a plane.

bud, are you beeing sarcastic here?

how many rounds of coral sea have you played since you started to play BF? have you ever use this concept before too?

fact is, i was active defending the carrier, i reacted after he !killed me because before that i was busy shooting planes down. they were spamming "bail out" all the. i didn't react because i was (again) active shooting. where the hell i was disrupting here?

i started to play this game on 2003 either on a competitive way or just for fun + i've administrating alot of server and i was one of the first admins here on this server so i'm very aware of the rules here so far and i know very well what is disrupting playing and what is not.

i dont know what jorgen is trying to reach here. he apologized for this crap and i accept it but still, he wants to proove or teach here something and i rly dont get what.

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jorgen · 2020-02-20 01:54:23

what can i say? if you are on a aa gun with vacant aa guns on the ship, you move to other aa gun to let more players on aa guns. it's not rocket science. the planes is not only flying over just one aa gun..

Zatoichi · 2020-02-20 02:02:41

What about b17 on bocage for example though? It takes 3 mins to spawn and he hogs it over and over and over, but the worst part is, it doesnt help anyone but himself, the map is so often lost directly because he doesnt use it practically and literally every spawn it makes on bocage if lower player number, or player 0 first say, that shit ain't right man

Sunshine · 2020-02-20 02:06:48

Zatoichi wrote:

What about b17 on bocage for example though? It takes 3 mins to spawn and he hogs it over and over and over, but the worst part is, it doesnt help anyone but himself, the map is so often lost directly because he doesnt use it practically and literally every spawn it makes on bocage if lower player number, or player 0 first say, that shit ain't right man

Hogging a vehicle isn't against the rules. Plus, you also hog it so don't be a hypocrite just because he sometimes gets it before you do.

No one owns any vehicle. Everyone, regardless of skill level, can use any vehicle.

valento · 2020-02-20 02:12:51

jorgen wrote:

what can i say? if you are on a aa gun with vacant aa guns on the ship, you move to other aa gun to let more players on aa guns. it's not rocket science. the planes is not only flying over just one aa gun..

once again: i was active defending the carrier, i reacted after you !killed me because before that i was busy shooting planes down. you and another player were spamming me "bail out" all the time. i didn't react to that because i was (again) active shooting at enemy airplanes.

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000 · 2020-02-20 02:15:20

Zatoichi wrote:

What about b17 on bocage for example though? It takes 3 mins to spawn and he hogs it over and over and over, but the worst part is, it doesnt help anyone but himself, the map is so often lost directly because he doesnt use it practically and literally every spawn it makes on bocage if lower player number, or player 0 first say, that shit ain't right man

ur pathetic merlin

merlinda, the worst b17 hog in the history of bf1942 whines about the max 10% of the time when i snatch the b17 at his expense

merlin vs. my usage of the b17, time spent in a b17 in simple, last two years : mirline 90 % me 10 %

and my kill output is typically twice as high merlinettas, since she flies like a cowardly scared wuss and spends ages repairing it at the corner of the map

this, and she still thinks its unfair and cries about it

youre deeply retarded ... seriously

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Hydra{SRB} · 2020-02-20 02:30:30

BFSoldier 1 wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:
What about b17 on bocage for example though? It takes 3 mins to spawn and he hogs it over and over and over, but the worst part is, it doesnt help anyone but himself, the map is so often lost directly because he doesnt use it practically and literally every spawn it makes on bocage if lower player number, or player 0 first say, that shit ain't right man

ur pathetic merlin
merlinda, the worst b17 hog in the history of bf1942 whines about the max 10% of the time when i snatch the b17 at his expense
merlin vs. my usage of the b17, time spent in a b17 in simple, last two years : mirline 90 % me 10 %
and my kill output is typically twice as high merlinettas, since she flies like a cowardly scared wuss and spends ages repairing it at the corner of the map
this, and she still thinks its unfair and cries about it
youre deeply retarded ... seriously

at least he dosent deathbail like you...

bud · 2020-02-20 02:31:03

valento wrote:

bud wrote:
Usually one move to position 1 (driver) so next guy can get on aa fast, then he moves forward and you can move back to aa again.
This whole operation takes like less then a second. I'm surprised a "pro player" doesnt know and use this concept.
Also very important to try and keep pos 1 free as much as possible so aa gunners can get cover for some seconds when attacked bu a plane.
bud, are you beeing sarcastic here?
how many rounds of coral sea have you played since you started to play BF? have you ever use this concept before too?

Im not sarcastic, i used to play Coral Sea daily starting around 2004 (BFA) (Coral Sea 24/7 ) then 2008 some of us started up a new group (BFO) that i have been running since then. I have two of my servers in my signature right under here.

Agree that simple is a shithole were this tactic propably dont work at all, but if a admin is telling to move, then he also have to have an eye on things, and responsibility on the whole situation and steer things up if they had cut you off.

edit: come to think about it, i actually helped tuia get that kill command to work, a bit ironic dont you think?

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Arkos · 2020-02-20 03:15:15

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I remember those nice battles at BFA Coral Sea.

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valento · 2020-02-20 03:31:33

bud wrote:

edit: come to think about it, i actually helped tuia get that kill command to work, a bit ironic dont you think?

somehow yea. it's actually a very usefull command against trolls and other idiots. but unfortunately a mess on wrong hands as you can see .

@arkos
true. actually alot of BFA pilots there inspired me in the past. red dawn, fire, zeppo etc. these guys were crazy at that time!! good old times

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captkrk · 2020-02-20 05:00:44

He apologized but man such an obvious abuse of power should be stripped of admin sry or not. Not surprising. I have been kill command by admin for plane before with no repercussions

Insane · 2020-02-20 10:08:11

jorgen wrote:

rules:
- Please respect all players. Behavior only meant to disturb or upset players is forbidden.
i dont think you understand the situation here.
refusing to move to a free aa gun is disturbing and upsetting players, but killing enemy while doing it is not only disturbing/upsetting. so not against the rules

So if any BFPlayer ask me to, for example, leave my tank and I "upset" and "disturb" him not doing so, would you then kill me to satisfy him?
You just adapt that rule to your own logic.
This is the difference between your "upset" and the upset that is stated in the rule.

The point is that you are not a clan leader on some calnwar, you can't command a person how to play the game.

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bud · 2020-02-21 10:22:37

I feel like im poking a wasp-nest here, but how can you seriously make such a long stretch between situations to compare with eachother?

The idea was never to steal any aa, but to let other players in fast and efficiantly, then the original aa user can get back to "his" seat.

Insane wrote:

jorgen wrote:
rules:
- Please respect all players. Behavior only meant to disturb or upset players is forbidden.
i dont think you understand the situation here.
refusing to move to a free aa gun is disturbing and upsetting players, but killing enemy while doing it is not only disturbing/upsetting. so not against the rules
So if any BFPlayer ask me to, for example, leave my tank and I "upset" and "disturb" him not doing so, would you then kill me to satisfy him?
You just adapt that rule to your own logic.
This is the difference between your "upset" and the upset that is stated in the rule.
The point is that you are not a clan leader on some calnwar, you can't command a person how to play the game.

Anyway, im like 50/50 in this case, he propably had been cut off if he had moved position.

Insane · 2020-02-21 11:16:31

bud wrote:

I feel like im poking a wasp-nest here, but how can you seriously make such a long stretch between situations to compare with eachother?
The idea was never to steal any aa, but to let other players in fast and efficiantly, then the original aa user can get back to "his" seat.
Insane wrote:
jorgen wrote:
rules:
- Please respect all players. Behavior only meant to disturb or upset players is forbidden.
i dont think you understand the situation here.
refusing to move to a free aa gun is disturbing and upsetting players, but killing enemy while doing it is not only disturbing/upsetting. so not against the rules
So if any BFPlayer ask me to, for example, leave my tank and I "upset" and "disturb" him not doing so, would you then kill me to satisfy him?
You just adapt that rule to your own logic.
This is the difference between your "upset" and the upset that is stated in the rule.
The point is that you are not a clan leader on some calnwar, you can't command a person how to play the game.
Anyway, im like 50/50 in this case, he propably had been cut off if he had moved position.

We are already settled about this situation with jorgen through the PMs.
My opinion is that those guys just bred jorgen to kill or kick valento'.
There are sometimes situations with fake accusations and provocations in game, when some trolls try to draw an admin into this kind of shit.
When I see that an is AA occupied, no matter who that guy is, no matter if I think that he's a noob and can't hit shit, yet I don't ask an admin to remove him even if I can do it better in my opinion. I just walk to the nearest free gun.

P.S.: saying about a front left AA gun, it's often under a sniper fire from an island. Rear left can also be reached by snipers but is a bit harder to kill a gunner. Therefore I would personally not agree to move to a front left AA gun to just become a frag for a camper. And the AA guns on a right side have worse field of vision.

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jorgen · 2020-02-21 11:33:47

the situation was not like that. i don't care if a noob is just shooting in the air wit aa. everyone was a noob one time.
the situation was 2 free aa guns at the other side of ship. bombs dropping like heavy rain. valento could have easily switched to the front aa gun with a press of a button. walking to the free aa guns was over a deck being heavily bombed, was a 75-80% chance of death. but in hindsight i was wrong. i felt bad about it the second i !killed him. and in the log you can read that i say sorry.

Insane wrote:

My opinion is that those guys just bred jorgen to kill or kick valento'.
There are sometimes situations with fake accusations and provocations in game, when some trolls try to draw an admin into this kind of shit.

this troll 111s is known as effeaquante. so i think you are right about this Insane

can we let this die now?
i will stop replying to this thread
R.I.P.

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Insane · 2020-02-21 11:42:47

jorgen wrote:

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can we let this die now?
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Totally agree.

jorgen · 2020-02-21 11:46:49

a good solution to the problem is to have 3 spawn points on all carriers

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