World War III

KarlsoN · 2022-06-22 21:19:40

bud wrote:

Oil is everything that matters. (besides power)
https://youtu.be/Eo6w5R6Uo8Y

what's the conclusion? Don't want to waste 40 mins....

nifty · 2022-06-23 00:33:15

Zody wrote:

nifty wrote:
Zody wrote:
Great thinking. Lets just do it the same over and over again, as if thats an excuse for anything. And no, Russia invading Ukraine did not happen "for thousands of years"
hmm...im not supporting this war, but just stating some fact. Alexander, Ghengis Khan were same kind leaders that had some ambitions in their mind and invaded countries. World seen countless leaders like them from thousands of yrs. Even in India thousands of years ago ambitious kings invaded other kingdoms. Same patterns repeat again but it doesnt have to be excuse, seems u didnt understood wt i stated.
Apologies then. Yea sadly this pattern repeats itself all the time. We are incapable of learning from history.

Chillax brother, but that's human nature.

bud · 2022-06-23 02:33:16

KarlsoN wrote:

bud wrote:
Oil is everything that matters. (besides power)
https://youtu.be/Eo6w5R6Uo8Y
what's the conclusion? Don't want to waste 40 mins....

Its a complex situation with pipelines and oil/gas reserves at strategic places, its well worth a look even if you just skim it over or play it with faster speed.

if nothing else take some minutes and look from 24:52

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L0rd Waggachugga · 2022-06-23 15:52:36

Some norwegian propaganda: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/nW … til-ansikt

I am curius on how this is portrayed in Russia.

e.S · 2022-06-23 18:16:45

Some norwegian propaganda:
https://finansavisen.no/nyheter/energi/ … sland-grep

https://borsen.dagbladet.no/nyheter/tys … s/76442099

I am curious how this is portrayed in Germany - Russia attacked Germany. Hm... Who implimented sanctions first?

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Zody · 2022-06-23 18:43:32

e.S wrote:

Some norwegian propaganda:
https://finansavisen.no/nyheter/energi/ … sland-grep
https://borsen.dagbladet.no/nyheter/tys … s/76442099
I am curious how this is portrayed in Germany - Russia attacked Germany. Hm... Who implimented sanctions first?

What do you mean by portrayed? They didnt change his speech in the news. Quoted it word by word. Of course you wont find anyone sane to defend Russias actions or what do you mean?

persia · 2022-06-23 20:28:57

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:

Some norwegian propaganda: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/nW … til-ansikt
I am curius on how this is portrayed in Russia.

let's forgive this site loud headlines and "pulling by the ears" of any mutual problems after these words.

most importantly, your newspaper forgot to write other words said by Tokaev immediately after the non-recognition of quasi-states: he said that for the recognition of territorial integrity. This means that as soon as the regions of Ukraine become part of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan will recognize them without problems.

And you understand that this was not news for Putin.
Such meetings do not take place without "closed" conversations where it was discussed

Last edited by persia (2022-06-24 08:07:56)

nämeless · 2022-06-23 22:11:50

I was absent for a week and you have flooded it already.

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:

Some norwegian propaganda: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/nW … til-ansikt
I am curius on how this is portrayed in Russia.

I don't understand Norwegian, so I used a translator to read this article. Just a quick analysis of how to work with information:

The day after Tokayev's statement, Kazakhstan's oil exports through the Russian city of Novorossiysk were suddenly severely restricted, reports theins.ru .

This "theins.ru" is not a Russian media, it has a status of a "foreign agent". The media is sponsored from abroad, supposedly by the US to post anti-Russian agenda with propaganda, fakes etc. There are many of such media here and the information about the status of "The Insider" is not a secret. The journalist who wrote this article didn't even check it.

Honor?
On Monday, Kazakhstan responded by blocking 1,700 railway cars with Russian coal, the Kyiv Post reports .

The interesting thing is the marker of bias in this sentence — Kyiv. Not long ago it was Kiev everywhere and now, when somebody writes the name of the capital of Ukraine like it's written in this article (Kyiv), just shows what's written below and above is biased, definitely pro-Ukrainian and anti-Russian. But this is not what makes sense in this sentence. What really does is the journalist who wrote this doesn't even bother himself to check the website of the Kazakhstan government using an online translator.

https://www.gov.kz/memleket/entities/tr … 72?lang=kk

▼Translation from Kazakh language

I haven't read below, it's enough for me to realise the given information is unreliable and doesn't worth to read. What I really do not understand is your intention particularly and Europeans' generally to consume such information, like you are thirsty for someone's problems in Russia, waiting day by day when it will be worse for the people. I heard of the problems that people got in Poland, UK, Pribaltika, US and the other countries because of their own sanctions, like high prices for some things, some products availabilities, strikes, protests etc. I'm not gloating over someone's problems, unlike you are. Actually, all these lies and propaganda from the Western media made a major contribution into the perception of what is going on. I've changed my mind and I think that Ukraine got what they really deserve. What about Europe... Last Autumn I was in Greece and I know for sure I won't go to Greece or the other European resorts for vacation this Autumn. I don't mean, of course, they'll lose much from my not visit, I just don't want to be there, where people are waiting for something that may cause problems to me.

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Zody · 2022-06-23 22:30:51

nämeless wrote:

I've changed my mind and I think that Ukraine got what they really deserve.

wow.

nämeless · 2022-06-23 22:41:28

Zody wrote:

Of course you wont find anyone sane to defend Russias actions

Check the comments below this video. This is Canadian media, for example. Being dumb, you won't get the world doesn't move round the agenda you are forced to consume. You will be surprised but the world is not even the place in Germany where you live. There are China and India with 3 billion people population, Africa, South America. Many people's opinions there is different from yours.

nifty wrote:

https://youtu.be/0_3BMtDpuaQ

Zody · 2022-06-23 22:49:30

I meant in the German media concerning Habecks speech today and the comment about an economic attack from Russia on Germany. stop taking things out of context.

nämeless · 2022-06-23 22:50:47

This is a weak excuse. Try again.

Zody · 2022-06-23 22:58:15

e.S. asked about German media and I gave him an answer concerning German media. My post is in that context. It is not my problem that you choose to ignore that simple fact.

nämeless · 2022-06-24 10:29:49

Some time ago German media and Bild particularly were quite readable.

https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/geld/wirt … .bild.html

L0rd Waggachugga · 2022-06-24 11:41:52

persia wrote:

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:
Some norwegian propaganda: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/nW … til-ansikt
I am curius on how this is portrayed in Russia.
let's forgive this site loud headlines and "pulling by the ears" of any mutual problems after these words.
most importantly, your newspaper forgot to write other words said by Tokaev immediately after the non-recognition of quasi-states: he said that for the recognition of territorial integrity. This means that as soon as the regions of Ukraine become part of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan will recognize them without problems.

And you understand that this was not news for Putin.
Such meetings do not take place without "closed" conversations where it was discussed

At the same time it shows that he's a little bit on the fence, wheter its because he's waiting to see wich horse wins or to avoid any western sanctions, who knows. But offcourse he's in Russias pocket, no Russia no Tokaev.

Nameless, thats the main differance between western and russian propaganda. Our is written by idiots who whent to journalist School and haven't worked nor experienced much during their life. They write uncritical and without depth. One day they wite about the princess birthday, the next about geopolitical mathers. What drives them is the amount of clicks. What gives more clicks "all good in russia" or "Russia and Kazhakstan arguing"

The southerners favorite newspaper is full of russian propaganda. It's viewpoints are questioned trough debate and not illegalised trough a label as an foreign agent.

Most westerners don't care if Russia and Kazakstan is arguing or not, they see that russia has started a war and is the agressor and automatically take Ukraines side. Does russia have a point on Ukraines treatment of Russian speakers - well yeah, but the invasion of Crimea didn't really improve that nor is a full out war justified.

joint · 2022-06-24 13:11:01

Alchevsk, (region of Lugansk) today.
https://youtu.be/eG2snylg7c8

representative video of the "special operation" consequence

Last edited by joint (2022-06-24 13:19:22)

nämeless · 2022-06-24 13:34:24

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:

persia wrote:
L0rd Waggachugga wrote:
Some norwegian propaganda: https://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/i/nW … til-ansikt
I am curius on how this is portrayed in Russia.
let's forgive this site loud headlines and "pulling by the ears" of any mutual problems after these words.
most importantly, your newspaper forgot to write other words said by Tokaev immediately after the non-recognition of quasi-states: he said that for the recognition of territorial integrity. This means that as soon as the regions of Ukraine become part of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan will recognize them without problems.

And you understand that this was not news for Putin.
Such meetings do not take place without "closed" conversations where it was discussed
At the same time it shows that he's a little bit on the fence, wheter its because he's waiting to see wich horse wins or to avoid any western sanctions, who knows. But offcourse he's in Russias pocket, no Russia no Tokaev.
Nameless, thats the main differance between western and russian propaganda. Our is written by idiots who whent to journalist School and haven't worked nor experienced much during their life. They write uncritical and without depth. One day they wite about the princess birthday, the next about geopolitical mathers. What drives them is the amount of clicks. What gives more clicks "all good in russia" or "Russia and Kazhakstan arguing"
The southerners favorite newspaper is full of russian propaganda. It's viewpoints are questioned trough debate and not illegalised trough a label as an foreign agent.
Most westerners don't care if Russia and Kazakstan is arguing or not, they see that russia has started a war and is the agressor and automatically take Ukraines side. Does russia have a point on Ukraines treatment of Russian speakers - well yeah, but the invasion of Crimea didn't really improve that nor is a full out war justified.

The head purpose of today's major medias is to form people's opinion using propaganda. It works in Russia, Norway, Guate-fucking-mala, everywhere. The average reader isn't smart, he should run into the sense of the articles like a horse with blinders. There are no many who can doubt what's providen to read and even less who can check the sources and think critically. Every major media, especially the state-controlled ones, have the editorial policy and the general line which has to be abided and submitted by those who work in this media. It's impossible that some article or some reportage could leave the editorial office with no approval.

Corsican monster landed in Juan Bay
The ogre goes to Grasse
The usurper entered Grenoble
Bonaparte occupies Lyon
Napoleon approaches Fontainebleau
His Imperial Majesty is expected today in his faithful Paris

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L0rd Waggachugga · 2022-06-24 14:24:46

nämeless wrote:

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:
persia wrote:
let's forgive this site loud headlines and "pulling by the ears" of any mutual problems after these words.
most importantly, your newspaper forgot to write other words said by Tokaev immediately after the non-recognition of quasi-states: he said that for the recognition of territorial integrity. This means that as soon as the regions of Ukraine become part of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan will recognize them without problems.

And you understand that this was not news for Putin.
Such meetings do not take place without "closed" conversations where it was discussed
At the same time it shows that he's a little bit on the fence, wheter its because he's waiting to see wich horse wins or to avoid any western sanctions, who knows. But offcourse he's in Russias pocket, no Russia no Tokaev.
Nameless, thats the main differance between western and russian propaganda. Our is written by idiots who whent to journalist School and haven't worked nor experienced much during their life. They write uncritical and without depth. One day they wite about the princess birthday, the next about geopolitical mathers. What drives them is the amount of clicks. What gives more clicks "all good in russia" or "Russia and Kazhakstan arguing"
The southerners favorite newspaper is full of russian propaganda. It's viewpoints are questioned trough debate and not illegalised trough a label as an foreign agent.
Most westerners don't care if Russia and Kazakstan is arguing or not, they see that russia has started a war and is the agressor and automatically take Ukraines side. Does russia have a point on Ukraines treatment of Russian speakers - well yeah, but the invasion of Crimea didn't really improve that nor is a full out war justified.
The head purpose of today's major medias is to form people's opinion using propaganda. It works in Russia, Norway, Guate-fucking-mala, everywhere. The average reader isn't smart, he should run into the sense of the articles like a horse with blinders. There are no many who can doubt what's providen to read and even less who can check the sources and think critically. Every major media, especially the state-controlled ones, have the editorial policy and the general line which has to be abided and submitted by those who work in this media. It's impossible that some article or some reportage could leave the editorial office with no approval.
Corsican monster landed in Juan Bay
The ogre goes to Grasse
The usurper entered Grenoble
Bonaparte occupies Lyon
Napoleon approaches Fontainebleau
His Imperial Majesty is expected today in his faithful Paris

I've worked with media surveilance for the goverment, they can't do anyting about what they writa, no mather how ludacriss it is. They can only write back and disagree, only for it to fall on deaf ears.

Zody · 2022-06-24 14:29:14

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:

nämeless wrote:
L0rd Waggachugga wrote:
At the same time it shows that he's a little bit on the fence, wheter its because he's waiting to see wich horse wins or to avoid any western sanctions, who knows. But offcourse he's in Russias pocket, no Russia no Tokaev.
Nameless, thats the main differance between western and russian propaganda. Our is written by idiots who whent to journalist School and haven't worked nor experienced much during their life. They write uncritical and without depth. One day they wite about the princess birthday, the next about geopolitical mathers. What drives them is the amount of clicks. What gives more clicks "all good in russia" or "Russia and Kazhakstan arguing"
The southerners favorite newspaper is full of russian propaganda. It's viewpoints are questioned trough debate and not illegalised trough a label as an foreign agent.
Most westerners don't care if Russia and Kazakstan is arguing or not, they see that russia has started a war and is the agressor and automatically take Ukraines side. Does russia have a point on Ukraines treatment of Russian speakers - well yeah, but the invasion of Crimea didn't really improve that nor is a full out war justified.
The head purpose of today's major medias is to form people's opinion using propaganda. It works in Russia, Norway, Guate-fucking-mala, everywhere. The average reader isn't smart, he should run into the sense of the articles like a horse with blinders. There are no many who can doubt what's providen to read and even less who can check the sources and think critically. Every major media, especially the state-controlled ones, have the editorial policy and the general line which has to be abided and submitted by those who work in this media. It's impossible that some article or some reportage could leave the editorial office with no approval.
Corsican monster landed in Juan Bay
The ogre goes to Grasse
The usurper entered Grenoble
Bonaparte occupies Lyon
Napoleon approaches Fontainebleau
His Imperial Majesty is expected today in his faithful Paris
I've worked with media surveilance for the goverment, they can't do anyting about what they writa, no mather how ludacriss it is. They can only write back and disagree, only for it to fall on deaf ears.

Yea sure wagga. I bet that story is true in its entirety. what was your job there exactly?

L0rd Waggachugga · 2022-06-24 14:46:16

Defence department, would you like a hug also?

Zody · 2022-06-24 14:47:14

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:

Defence department, would you like a hug also?

and they told them what to write about? like word by word instructions or how did that work?

L0rd Waggachugga · 2022-06-24 15:00:43

I think we misunderstand each other.

Nobody tells anyone to write. The media writes about whatever they want, the goverment reads it. If the media writes something the goverment disagrees on then they usualy writes a statement as response to the media and the media doesn't give a shit, usually.

Hug still on the table.

Zody · 2022-06-24 15:10:14

L0rd Waggachugga wrote:

I think we misunderstand each other.
Nobody tells anyone to write. The media writes about whatever they want, the goverment reads it. If the media writes something the goverment disagrees on then they usualy writes a statement as response to the media and the media doesn't give a shit, usually.
Hug still on the table.

But nameless talked about the major media. I thought your post referred to them in response, so yea a misunderstanding I guess. I take the hug now <3

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ziba128 · 2022-06-24 15:14:12

https://w.wiki/5LhL wrote:

On June 3, Charge d'Affaires of the USSR in Lithuania, V. Semyonov, writes an overview note on the situation in Lithuania, in which the Soviet embassy drew Moscow's attention to the desire of the Lithuanian government to "surrender into the hands of Germany", and to intensify "the activities of the German fifth column and arm the members of the Union of Riflemen ", preparation for mobilization. It speaks of the “genuine intentions of the Lithuanian ruling circles”, which, in the event of a settlement of the conflict, will only strengthen “their line against the treaty, going over to a“ businesslike ”conspiracy with Germany, waiting only for an opportune moment for a direct strike on the Soviet garrisons”[40].
On June 4, under the guise of exercises, the troops of the Leningrad, Kalinin and Belorussian Special Military Districts were alerted and began advancing to the borders of the Baltic states[53].
On June 14, the Soviet government issued an ultimatum to Lithuania[54], and on June 16 to Latvia[55] and Estonia[56]. In general terms, the meaning of the ultimatums coincided - the governments of these states were accused of gross violation of the terms of the Mutual Assistance Treaties previously concluded with the USSR, and a demand was put forward to form governments capable of ensuring the implementation of these treaties, as well as to allow additional contingents of troops into the territory of these countries. The conditions were accepted[40].
On June 15, additional contingents of Soviet troops were introduced into Lithuania, and on June 17 - into Estonia and Latvia.

seventy · 2022-06-24 17:50:29

What does this mean zibanoni? I don't have the knowledge what is happening in the events you mentioned or what happened before it or what is going to happen after it. Could you elaborate a little, please? Muchas thanks

seventy · 2022-06-24 20:08:58

seventy wrote:

What does this mean zibanoni? I don't have the knowledge what is happening in the events you mentioned or what happened before it or what is going to happen after it. Could you elaborate a little, please? Muchas thanks

lolex sorry I didn't read properly, thought it was referring to some current events.

joint · 2022-06-24 20:38:09

seventy wrote:

seventy wrote:
What does this mean zibanoni? I don't have the knowledge what is happening in the events you mentioned or what happened before it or what is going to happen after it. Could you elaborate a little, please? Muchas thanks
lolex sorry I didn't read properly, thought it was referring to some current events.

Yes, the events preceding WW2 my generation havent been told in schools when we study history, also when i found out about Finnish war from my grand i didnt belive its true

There are rumors like Lukashenko is preparing to join invasion. Hehe. "Nonsense" i would say 122 days ago.. motherfucker! im saying today in times of fast changes we are living indeed.

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John Gult · 2022-06-27 11:13:42

Causes and consequences of the Ukrainian crisis (many letters), in English:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/ca … sis-203182

(It looks like everything is going to the third world war. The US played with nationalism and neo-Nazis.)
Pity the Ukrainians. In this situation, Ukraine is just a weapon in the fight against Russia, a bargaining chip...

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Причины и следствия украинского кризиса (много букв), на русском:

https://inosmi.ru/20220627/ukraina-254697912.html

(Похоже что всё идёт к третьей мировой войне. США заигрались с национализмом и неонацистами.)
Жалко украинцев. В этой ситуации Украина - просто оружие в борьбе с Россией, разменная карта…

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simon · 2022-06-27 13:36:40

''If he beats you he loves you'' the russians say. A language these pigs understand with no exception. They really love their brother nation.
I don't see the point in posting links(as proof), anyone can post any link with content to their liking because it is possible to find confirmation to almost anything you want on the internet.
If you want to know something come to russian speaking parts in eastern europe and try to have a meaningful conversation with them. And no they are not the kind who try to act smart on forums like here, you will see the majority of them at their best, real selves. and bulk up before you come. It will shed some light on how motivation isn't a problem in russia to invade other countries.
so yes john gult, I know who you really are))) in ''russia", crimea)))))) You won't obviously take off your mask here but I know how to trigger it somewhere else)))

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