For the lovers of history

Arkos · 2019-02-23 22:18:19

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Hehe, just found this.

The best Pilot from the US Army in WW1 was a swiss guy. 27 Shot downs.

https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/tagesschau/v … 33a608d0e9

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Arkos · 2019-02-23 22:25:54

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A Nice Pic from German Tanks.

Thanks to bidji91 for this Pic!

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Arkos · 2019-02-24 04:19:45

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A Me-262 landed in swiss in 1945 and a brandnew ME-110 with secret new radar.

https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/10vor10/vide … 19d991f5f1

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Horza · 2019-02-26 17:51:50

Just share the trailer for the Miyazaki's movie about the creation of the Zero :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imtdgdGOB6Q

If you have watched Spirited Away or Mononoke Princess it's realy not the same movie here with an historic and realistic vision about the main chief engineer of the Zero. How Japan wanted this plane, a little bit the relations with germans too.
You can also watch the movie Porco Rosso with biplan and hydroplanes in italy, adriatic sea !

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Arkos · 2019-02-26 19:16:14

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A nice movie, but if i'm not wrong, i saw also real plyed scenes.

Some special edition or is it this movie?

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Horza · 2019-02-26 19:26:40

Arkos wrote:

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A nice movie, but if i'm not wrong, i saw also real plyed scenes.
Some special edition or is it this movie?
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Not in this movie no, but the history is real of course, like lot of scenes with the plans of the Zero when they were working on it.
In an other way I have watched one year ago movie "Your name" not the same category ahah but I was impressed by the pictures all the times. Very different from Ghibli studio.

Dionysus · 2019-02-26 20:51:23

I remember one Japanese ace pilot talking how they flew for many sorties in few days and how flights lasted for several hours and on their way home some pilots would just fall asleep(due to exhaustion) and crash in sea.
They had additional fuel reservoirs attached and they could cover twice or even three times over normal combat radius of zero plane..
There are many interviews with zero pilots, they even explain combat tactis, dog fight etc.. I recommend watching it.
Just type ''Japanese Ace Interviews'' in youtube search bar.

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Horza · 2019-02-27 10:52:22

Dionysus wrote:

I remember one Japanese ace pilot talking how they flew for many sorties in few days and how flights lasted for several hours and on their way home some pilots would just fall asleep(due to exhaustion) and crash in sea.
They had additional fuel reservoirs attached and they could cover twice or even three times over normal combat radius of zero plane..
There are many interviews with zero pilots, they even explain combat tactis, dog fight etc.. I recommend watching it.
Just type ''Japanese Ace Interviews'' in youtube search bar.

I have seen this story too about japonese pilots falling in the sea because they were tired.
I recently checked how japan lost north of China to the Russia and the run to Iroshima between US and USRR to have the control of Japan, very interesting

Dionysus · 2019-02-27 19:41:10

I believe u r talking about Soviet invasion of Manchuria in august 1945.
Stalin told western Allies that SSSR will enter war with Japan 3 months after war in Europe is over.
Time needed to rest and transport large number of soldiers and equipment to the far east.

And he did so, they overrunned Janan forces in Manchuria in just 10 days - it was slaughter, Japs tactics were to dug in and not to retreat, but their bunkers and trenches were destroyed from large distances Soviets used their superior tanks and artillery guns, they had no need to come closer and go hand to hand combat, which was disaster for Japanese forces who counted on just that.
Japs had nothing good enough to fight back, their weapons were much inferior and they lacked tanks, anti-tank guns and they had no air support.

That defeat alone was more then enough for Japan to consider about surrender, because in Manchuria they had oil fields and coal mines etc.. they were cripled for further military operations, even defensive ones. (not to mention nuclear bombing few days before loss of Manchuria)

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Coco · 2019-02-27 21:58:38

Horza wrote:

I recently checked how japan lost north of China to the Russia and the run to Iroshima between US and USRR to have the control of Japan, very interesting

Arte

Arkos · 2019-02-27 23:58:28

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Japanese never lost a battle before that.

It was a very hard lession for them to learn it the hard way.

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Maasika · 2019-02-28 07:08:53

Arkos wrote:

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Japanese never lost a battle before that.
It was a very hard lession for them to learn it the hard way.
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Wat

Arkos · 2019-02-28 13:30:37

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There was only once a case when they lost Wladiwostok at the 25. Oktober 1922.

But this was due the fallin into Russia. Japanese fought with US together, like many other countries due the russian revolution.

This is also the reason, why soviets mistrusted any other country. But not Switzerland. They helped Lenin to come back to Russia (he lived in exil in switzerland), but the germans payed the journey, so they thought, when Lenin is in charge, he will stop the war at the eastfront in WW1, what also happend.

Nobody saw that it was changing also the future ... WW2 Germany in case of Russia.

But there was no other case, where japan lost a war. Yes, ... in Wladiwostok they got pushed back.

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Maasika · 2019-02-28 18:13:51

Arkos wrote:

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There was only once a case when they lost Wladiwostok at the 25. Oktober 1922.
But this was due the fallin into Russia. Japanese fought with US together, like many other countries due the russian revolution.
This is also the reason, why soviets mistrusted any other country. But not Switzerland. They helped Lenin to come back to Russia (he lived in exil in switzerland), but the germans payed the journey, so they thought, when Lenin is in charge, he will stop the war at the eastfront in WW1, what also happend.
Nobody saw that it was changing also the future ... WW2 Germany in case of Russia.
But there was no other case, where japan lost a war. Yes, ... in Wladiwostok they got pushed back.
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Ok now i get it, you wrote battle but meant war.

Insane · 2019-02-28 18:41:35

Arkos wrote:

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There was only once a case when they lost Wladiwostok at the 25. Oktober 1922.
But this was due the fallin into Russia. Japanese fought with US together, like many other countries due the russian revolution.
This is also the reason, why soviets mistrusted any other country. But not Switzerland. They helped Lenin to come back to Russia (he lived in exil in switzerland), but the germans payed the journey, so they thought, when Lenin is in charge, he will stop the war at the eastfront in WW1, what also happend.
Nobody saw that it was changing also the future ... WW2 Germany in case of Russia.
But there was no other case, where japan lost a war. Yes, ... in Wladiwostok they got pushed back.
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Arkos there were two pre-war battles between USSR and Japan on a Chinese/USSR border in 1938 near lake Khasan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan
And a Khalkhin Gol battle 1939, Mongolia+USSR vs Japan+Manchuria.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
It was mainly a border conflict. Like in-battle reconnaissance to checkout soviets readiness and military power.

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Arkos · 2019-02-28 18:47:54

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Yeah, ... and both time they made peace

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Insane · 2019-02-28 18:48:49

Arkos wrote:

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Yeah, ... and both time they made peace
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Peace, yeah:) Like a cat with mice...

Arkos · 2019-02-28 18:54:58

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Yes, but piece.

And don't forget, the soviet losses were much higher then they said. It came out after the fall.

What i didn't check until now, ... Soviets and Japanese made a neutrality pact in 1941. I guess after Adolf set his foot on russia.

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Horza · 2019-02-28 18:55:10

Coco wrote:

Horza wrote:
I recently checked how japan lost north of China to the Russia and the run to Iroshima between US and USRR to have the control of Japan, very interesting
Arte

Yes, from Arte. And they showed that Japan soldiers in Mandchouri were young and not veteran strong soldier, without lot of vehicules and weapon.
You all right after the thread guys

Some want to tell an other story (or maybe some want to know more about a battle/region/country in war ?)

I have checked some informations about Market Garden battle (or battles, not only one zone in fact), was a really shitty battle for allies

Dionysus · 2019-02-28 20:29:07

Arkos wrote:

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Yes, but piece.
And don't forget, the soviet losses were much higher then they said. It came out after the fall.
What i didn't check until now, ... Soviets and Japanese made a neutrality pact in 1941. I guess after Adolf set his foot on russia.
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Japan tryed to invade Mongolia, but Mongols had pact with Soviets, and if any of them gets attacked/invaded other one must send help.
Soviets went to full ofensive and Japs were demolished in Khalkhin Gol, Soviets numbered less then Japanese did.
And Soviet losses were around 17 000, while Japans were more then 50 000 !
It showed that Soviets have much better army then Japan did.
So Japs had to sign treaty with Soviets and Mongolia that same year.
It was not in Stalins interest to push further east because he didnt want to stretch his forces because of possible war in Europe + Soviets were not really ready for longer war, they were still strugling with industrialization.
They just wanted to ''show'' teeths to Japs.
During battle of Stalingrad, 12 divisions that participated in battle of Khalkhin Gol were among those who counter-attacked during Uranus offensive.

Arkos · 2019-02-28 21:13:38

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You mix sumdin.

Overall in all "Battles of Khalkhin Gol"

Soviet were double numbered then Japanese and had 8x more tanks and double number of artillery and more then 2x number of planes.

And the casualties were vice versa. Soviets 27'000 and Japs 16'000.

Beside was the attack on Mongolia a test from the japanese, to find out how far the soviets would go.

The japanese Army was well trained and fought allways determined.

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Arkos · 2019-02-28 21:46:10

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There's a Korean Movie, "Prisoners of War".

It's about the mongolian battle, based on a true story.

Two friends, one korean, one japanese, one got forcibly recruited, the other entered voluntary into the japanese army to fight in Mongolia.

They got prisoned, and, instead of death sentence, they had to fight in the soviet army.

At the end they landed in France, where they had to fight against the allied, before they walked home.

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A nice movie, when you are a bit tired and can't sleep. (137 Min.)

https://www.kinos.to/Stream/Prisoners_of_War.html (German, choose OpenLoad.co Server).

(i had to refresh the window that i could switch the server, don't click on popups if you don't have an active blocker)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1606384/

(Ok, to be honest, if someone likes korean movies, it's a good movie.)

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If i'm not wrong, there's no english version.

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(Correction ... it's a really good movie. I just looked inside.)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYKwWkWF7fw

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Dionysus · 2019-03-01 05:01:12

You really just read from wikipedia and thats it... it's irritating.

Yes, they fought determined(like always), fighting to the last man was in their mentality, thats how their nation fucntioned, ''one man is nothing, nation is everything'', but they lost that battle, otherwise they would march into Soviet territory, to the Moscow itself if possible.
And they would never signed any treaty unless they were defeated.
Soviets had superiror weapons, tactics.. and that determined their conflict.

U think that Hitler didn't pressure Japan to engage Soviets in mid of WWII ?
Why didnt they?? Because of conflict with US? Yeah right....
They didnt beacuse they knew that Soviets were all in all better army!

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iCQ · 2019-03-01 06:21:37

Horza wrote:

Just share the trailer for the Miyazaki's movie about the creation of the Zero :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imtdgdGOB6Q
If you have watched Spirited Away or Mononoke Princess it's realy not the same movie here with an historic and realistic vision about the main chief engineer of the Zero. How Japan wanted this plane, a little bit the relations with germans too.
You can also watch the movie Porco Rosso with biplan and hydroplanes in italy, adriatic sea !

OMG how could i miss this amazing topic? I TALK TOO MUCH

(i need an hour to see/read all this, wont need to watch that movie tho Horza! Love it!"

me > stfu

(nice posts guys, VERY nice! thanks!)

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iCQ · 2019-03-01 06:24:19

Oh one little detail... i think there are not many asians or japanese here on the forum. Little detail for you guys... even YOUNG KIDS in Asia when i speak to them about WW2 and Hitler... they ALL LOVE HIM!! THEY KNOW HIM... crazy little detail.

From China to Taiwan, from Thailand to Japan... the kids... KNOW and LOVE Hitler... oh well... for what it is worth.

Little side story:
About one year ago i walked in Bangkok shopping mall. I see this kid with a swastika tattoo on his upper arm.

Guess what i had to do?

Talk to him of course (no i am not a nazi retard salut him).

He didn't know it was used in WW2... for him it is a Hindo sign... but sure he knew about Hitler and WW2... just didnt knew that sign. Odd... i still not figure out how all these young kids LEARN about WW2... haven't seen any Mein Kamph's laying around either. And it might be from the history class in school.

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Horza · 2019-03-01 09:58:13

You're welcome ICQ I was thinking when would you come here

iCQ wrote:

Oh one little detail... i think there are not many asians or japanese here on the forum. Little detail for you guys... even YOUNG KIDS in Asia when i speak to them about WW2 and Hitler... they ALL LOVE HIM!! THEY KNOW HIM... crazy little detail.
From China to Taiwan, from Thailand to Japan... the kids... KNOW and LOVE Hitler... oh well... for what it is worth.
Little side story:
About one year ago i walked in Bangkok shopping mall. I see this kid with a swastika tattoo on his upper arm.
Guess what i had to do?
Talk to him of course (no i am not a nazi retard salut him).
He didn't know it was used in WW2... for him it is a Hindo sign... but sure he knew about Hitler and WW2... just didnt knew that sign. Odd... i still not figure out how all these young kids LEARN about WW2... haven't seen any Mein Kamph's laying around either. And it might be from the history class in school.

I knew this detail but I didnt know a large part of asian youngers was in majority to adore him.
That happens when education fails... Even on this forum there are some extremist lover for nazis, I dont have to spote them, we all know which guys I'm talking about.

I'll post later about an other story of WWII. There are some post on french army ministery sometimes for anniversary days and they axplain what happen in some days in the past. Yersterday it was a french commando tried to spot V2 site. I will not talk about it but there are sometimes good stories

Dionysus · 2019-03-01 19:49:54

@ Horza

We are not uneducated, we are illuminated.

I bet that most of ''nazi lovers'' have higher IQ then you.
History is written by winners.
But u are brainwashed to see that.
That why France footbal team today has more black ppl then white, almost in any sport I wathed France compete, blacks dominate in numbers.
Multiculturalism at its best.
U lost ur national identity, last 80 years u are nothing but a fu ck toy for real rulers from the shadow.
Don't be suprised if ur daughter one day brings her black stallion home and says ''daddy this is my boyfriend!''
Bye now, and good lack with blacks, araps and all other hordes...

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Arkos · 2019-03-01 20:33:52

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You have no clue what you are talking about.

And beside, it seemse you have some serious problems.

You should visit your psychiatrist.

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Dakota · 2019-03-01 20:43:17

I agree, he need's brains surgery !!!!!!

Horza · 2019-03-01 20:53:43

Dionysus wrote:

@ Horza
We are not uneducated, we are illuminated.
I bet that most of ''nazi lovers'' have higher IQ then you.
History is written by winners.
But u are brainwashed to see that.
That why France footbal team today has more black ppl then white, almost in any sport I wathed France compete, blacks dominate in numbers.
Multiculturalism at its best.
U lost ur national identity, last 80 years u are nothing but a fu ck toy for real rulers from the shadow.
Don't be suprised if ur daughter one day brings her black stallion home and says ''daddy this is my boyfriend!''
Bye now, and good lack with blacks, araps and all other hordes...

Interesting, I wasnt thinking about you, I forget your profile picture.
Well you just show to everyone who you really are and how you can mix all your extremist ideas in one sentence.
By the way you just fucked up my topic with politic (well for you it's politic), thanks to you.

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