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Miscellaneous rules questions

iwo jima : a player is occupying the battleship (prince of wales) and has pointed the rear position against a target so the front position cant hit anything. the player is in the rear position and using the rear guns against a target

question :

is a teammate then allowed to enter the front position and turn the ship so that both guns can fire at that target ?

my view :

of course it is allowed. the battleship is not a wespe or a priest, its a dualgunner vehicle. if a player (due too noobism or egotism) is pointing the rear against a target so the front position cant hit anything, then he has to accept if a teammate enters front position and turns the ship so they both can fire

i just did the above yesterday. fake blood was the only player in the battleship in rear position and yelled vehicle steal. nameless then kicked me. he should not have in my opinion. random noobs and trolls like fake blood constantly shout out bs and false accusations

https://youtu.be/_-Url-BKZcw

Arkos

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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Just use common sense.

But this ship was in a good position.

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iCQ

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

i can say what i want but this soldier does share thinking material in a clear way! nice good post, quality!

i agree i feel it IS a legit position... just not always the most effecient one

but... hmmm.. wait... from all the ship captian roles i played i ended up not using that position anymore... wont bore u with the details but i like the fact that front and back position can actually reach same target when placed sideways properly

i like nameless, he a cool guy in my view... i not agree this is worth a large punishment like ban.. but if he would ask me to move ship or give up my captain rank i would have no problem with it... but hey im a too nice guy sometimes, i dont give a damn... here u go have fun.. cheers mate!  (i maybe shouldnt call the new fresh captian a "mate" lol)

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iCQ

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

and i NEVER take control of a vehile in any game without proper agreement through verbal communication with the player using that vehicle

i realize i am maybe a bit overthetop with this

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

I dont know the best position to rape the hill but 2 guns seems to be better than 1. Selfish gameplay, agree with 999.

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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Yes dary, but...

The ship was in a good position to shell the hill and it's not anothers business to control a VehicleDrivers Movement.

At the end, in this case, it's obviously VehicleStealing.

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Vojislav

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

Vehicle stealing ? He left first position and expect no one should enter until map finish ? Its not wespe/priest to apply that rule. Once you leave it anyone can jump in

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

The ship is also a spawn point and therefore this is not stealing, this where it differs from a wespe or priest.  If you leave position one on the ship expect another player to spawn there and take command its that simple.

Arkos

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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The other guy used second canone, to shell the island/hill, so ofc it's vehicle stealing.

I would see you, if another guy drives with the BS away, while you shell the island with second gun.

Same at Omaha. If someone uses second gun of cruizer, no one has to take over the ship and drive away.

It's vehicle stealing.

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Last edited by Arkos (2018-10-18 11:14:43)

Kobra

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

10/10 would kick again

Flettnerman

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

Didn't read the first post, just tell me, 000 still complain about kicks for gold digging?

dary

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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The other guy used second canone, to shell the island/hill, so ofc it's vehicle stealing.

I would see you, if another guy drives with the BS away, while you shell the island with second gun.

Same at Omaha. If someone uses second gun of cruizer, no one has to take over the ship and drive away.

It's vehicle stealing.

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I wouldn't change to position 2 and expect nobody to grab the ship.

It is not the same as on Omaha. He took the ship to use the first position cannons. On Omaha it doesn't make much sense to use position 1, because you can't see anything.

He didn't steal it, he just wanted to turn so both cannons can shoot.

Arkos

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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Nana...

You can switch between both canones at Omaha

> shoot 1 > switch to 2 > press right mouse and you see were 1 is landing > shoot 2 > watch and (adjust) > switch to 1 adjust > shoot > switch to 2 > right mouse to see where 1 lands, etc.

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And you know, it's not the business of a second player to control where the owner of an Arti or a ship is shooting.

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But, it's a different case, when two players "want" to use the ship, (any ship), together. Otherwise the 1st can shout to leave the ship, which is his right in my eyes.

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There's nothing worse, when as example 3 guys are on a battleship. To intercept planes with Flakguns you must have also the possibility to switch between flakguns.

(The viewing angle on the flakguns is somewhat of worse, then it's eaysier to follow the planes when you use'dem allone.)

And with more then 1 man on a Battleship i bet, if i switch to flakguns, the other guy takes over the lead of the ship and drives it somewhere else

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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Nana...

You can switch between both canones at Omaha

> shoot 1 > switch to 2 > press right mouse and you see were 1 is landing > shoot 2 > watch and (adjust) > switch to 1 adjust > shoot > switch to 2 > right mouse to see where 1 lands, etc.

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I mean when one guy uses ONLY position 1. Of course I know that little trick.

I guess it is also karma that he got kicked faster... because he only plays on good score.

ZvacA

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

On one hand you're talking about selfishness, on the other hand there si a question though. Was it even necessary to move the battleship in such situation? And had it a some more important reason than just to get frags for own benefit? Sure, firing from all batteries is better, but  Fake blood´s shelling from the rear guns was probably adjusted to the target on the hill, few words and come to an understanding was more than enough to resolve. At least, most of us "random noobs and trolls" in the game are trying communicate and respect each other depending on what's happening around us in the game.

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

im pretty sure that if i was in the battleship at iwo, in the front driver/gunner position, shooting at the island, with the rear ship end pointing away from the island, and the somebody jumped into rear position and i refused to turn it, and the rear gunner then yelled :

EGOISTIC AND SELFISH 000 IS IN THE SHIP – HE WONT TURN IT AROUND SO I CAN HIT ISLAND ..... ADMIN ... DO SOMETHING !!!!

most admins would kick me. it has happened many times

so ...

- some of you admins want to kick the guy that jumps into the ships driver/gunner and turn the ship so that both guns can fire,

- but you also want to kick the guy that is alone in the ship in driver/gunner position pointed at island so rear cant hit, and refuses to turn ship if a rear gunner teammate enters

explained even more simple : you want to kick the guy that turns the ship, but also the guy that refuses to turn the ship

cant you see how illogical and dumb that is ?

and if somebody isnt allowed to jump into front position and turn the ship, then rear position is an exploit guarantee to get the battleship for yourself, because if somebody jumps into front position, you can always yell ship steal, and they will get kicked

and rear position only has four cannons while front has six, so back is a bad and noobish choice

here are some similar situations in wake and omaha with the destroyer pointing away from land. would you kick there too if a player jumped in front and turned ?

so ... turning the ship so both positions can hit targets, in iwo, wake, omaha, in cases where somebody has pointed the rear towards targets, should be allowed. disallowing it is pointless

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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It's vehicle stealing.

It's not your business to control where the owner is shooting.

You also don't want that a guy is stealing your Artillerie, because he thinks he can find a better target.

It's so easy, but you just try, (once more), to get a legitimation for that you want to do, but it's not working, Dude.

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I said it allready.

If two guys want to play together in a BS, ok. But no one has to drive it away from a position.

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And you forget one important thing. If the enemies would take back Suribachi Bunker and Bunker this other gun would be in a good position.

Let it be, ... just... let... it... be!!!

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Last edited by Arkos (2018-10-21 15:55:52)

Vojislav

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

No offence but thats bullshit first class. Do i as a player need to know whole history about battleship if i spawned in the middle of round ? Do i need to know if there were 2 players in ship but one got kicked for example , and only one left is in 2. position ? Or player in first position decided to leave ship so only second place stays active . You are making new rule just now. Would like Tuia to say his opinion , but am pretty sure what he thinks .The one who grab first place is in charge, if you leave first place dont expect players to avoid to enter , its not your private vehicle like vespe / priest .

Arkos

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Re: Miscellaneous rules questions

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Na, in case of Iwo Jima, where Allies have 4 flags and Axis 1, there's no need to move the ship.

You can handle it like you want, but don't be surprised, if someone else take over your ship and drives it somewhere.

Perhaps it's me next time. No, sorry, that's not true... you can bet it's me next time.

At the end i don't care... It seemse you have really no other problems.

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Last edited by Arkos (2018-10-21 17:18:47)