difference between mp40 and mp18？

bloody[CHN] · 2017-05-27 17:22:10

my friends said mp40 was better than mp18
but the data in object.rfa shows that there are almost no difference except geometries
it puzzles me a lot

Jim2102 · 2017-05-27 18:37:02

I personally prefer the Mp40 over Mp18. Not as much spread I guess...

Black Mamba · 2017-05-28 00:55:33

I think it is vastly accepted that the MP40 is superior to the MP18. I have to check the Objects.con of both guns to confirm this, and see what the respective damage values and deviation are for both guns.

razor · 2017-05-28 02:14:02

Calm DOWN CALM DOWN.. Don't get a big DICK!

SleveN · 2017-05-28 14:19:36

I personally prefer the mp40 because of its shape and colour. It's the size that matters, just like mamba tried to explain. It shoots straight with barely no recoil. The peak, the first 15 bullets works best then it gradually gets slower. Some players, especially the yankees and estonians need to inject weird stuff to get it going. The peak last longer and it has many rounds to offer since the size remains the same until the shit they injected is out of the system. It's both sad and funny at the same time. They can't even be above their 30s yet.

Serebro · 2017-05-28 16:14:38

Seems the same to me, though mp18's firing sounds more mellow and thus ear-friendly.

Arkos · 2017-05-28 16:59:51

..

Besides... Stgw44 vs AK47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWJOJZQCs8

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Incredible stable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AL_efDIc3M

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MP40 (barely no recoil in AutofireMode)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O38a_Bx18RU

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Thomson vs MP40 (30 shots in autofiremode from 12 yards all in target with MP40, 20 cm Radius)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZo7ejVtNa4

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I guess, the german engineers found the best ballance between FireRate and Recoil

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Last edited by Arkos (2017-05-28 17:14:04)

Zody · 2017-05-28 17:07:31

bloody[CHN] wrote:

my friends said mp40 was better than mp18
but the data in object.rfa shows that there are almost no difference except geometries
it puzzles me a lot

Easy. Both great. Both German.

Whoopz · 2017-05-28 17:27:23

I think I prefer the Madsen LMG!

simon · 2017-05-28 17:40:29

yes sleven thats exactly how it is. what about our tanking? how do we manipulate the shells peak time frame respective to the bullets outer curve along the cannon round way to south? good read.

Arkos · 2017-05-28 17:47:47

...

Sports on sundays in Swiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHaiNi3Y908

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5capbhKlVA

...

bloody[CHN] · 2017-05-28 18:04:16

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Last edited by bloody[CHN] (2017-05-28 18:15:31)

bloody[CHN] · 2017-05-28 18:22:14

its easy to find that tiger has 125 hitpoints while the other tanks has 100
and m10 and t34's damage 1.18 (13/11) times as high as that of tiger

but t34 has shorter reload time than the other 2 heavytanks
to balance it,DICE make the t34 and t34-85's Turret top cover weaker
so u can shot the Turret top cover of t34-85 to kill t34-85 by one shot

because tiger is a little hard to shot enemy in a long distance ,DICE gives panzeriv 0.5 gravityModifier

Last edited by bloody[CHN] (2017-05-28 18:27:03)

bloody[CHN] · 2017-05-28 18:24:46

Black Mamba wrote:

I think it is vastly accepted that the MP40 is superior to the MP18. I have to check the Objects.con of both guns to confirm this, and see what the respective damage values and deviation are for both guns.

yes,while we can find many differences between tiger and m10,bar1918 and stg44 ,etc.

Last edited by bloody[CHN] (2017-05-28 18:25:01)

nämeless · 2017-05-29 07:26:11

bloody[CHN] wrote:

its easy to find that tiger has 125 hitpoints while the other tanks has 100
and m10 and t34's damage 1.18 (13/11) times as high as that of tiger
but t34 has shorter reload time than the other 2 heavytanks
to balance it,DICE make the t34 and t34-85's Turret top cover weaker
so u can shot the Turret top cover of t34-85 to kill t34-85 by one shot
because tiger is a little hard to shot enemy in a long distance ,DICE gives panzeriv 0.5 gravityModifier

It would be interesting to watch for the others if you put all these values into the tables of Excel file to draw infographics.

Black Mamba · 2017-05-29 07:38:50

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Taken from Objects/Handweapons/Mp40/Objects.con.

These parameters control the bullet deviation of the guns. I can confirm they are identical for both guns. Additionally, damage dealt to infantry targets by both guns is identical, as blood posted. Head, body and leg damage values are respectively 3, 1.8 and 1 for both weapons (MaterialManager.damageMod).

So no, I guess the myth of Mp40 being superior to the Mp18 is just that, a myth. Perhaps the Mp18 isn't as noisy as the Mp40 but in the end it just comes down to a matter of preference for each player.

Last edited by Black Mamba (2017-05-29 07:39:43)

SleveN · 2017-05-29 12:45:45

simon wrote:

yes sleven thats exactly how it is. what about our tanking? how do we manipulate the shells peak time frame respective to the bullets outer curve along the cannon round way to south? good read.

You spin it right round baby, right now.

lucky · 2017-05-29 18:21:18

没有区别

ridgeraiser · 2017-05-31 16:27:55

The different between MP 18 and MP 40 is, the MP 18 hit the aim not so good as the MP 40. The MP 40 from the germans is lot of better tghan the MP 40. Its one of the leading german weapons in WW2. Japanese, US, UDSSR Weapons wasnt in that leading quality to compare. But you see the history, not the best weapons or technology wins the WW2.

Black Mamba · 2017-06-01 02:04:56

ridgeraiser wrote:

The different between MP 18 and MP 40 is, the MP 18 hit the aim not so good as the MP 40. The MP 40 from the germans is lot of better tghan the MP 40. Its one of the leading german weapons in WW2. Japanese, US, UDSSR Weapons wasnt in that leading quality to compare. But you see the history, not the best weapons or technology wins the WW2.

I can confirm that in the game both guns have identical bullet deviations.

deeko · 2017-07-07 16:33:17

SleveN wrote:

I personally prefer the mp40 because of its shape and colour. It's the size that matters, just like mamba tried to explain. It shoots straight with barely no recoil. The peak, the first 15 bullets works best then it gradually gets slower. Some players, especially the yankees and estonians need to inject weird stuff to get it going. The peak last longer and it has many rounds to offer since the size remains the same until the shit they injected is out of the system. It's both sad and funny at the same time. They can't even be above their 30s yet.

seems like hencca used to inject the same weird stuff as we do...
https://youtu.be/faiIkNW1nsE?t=1m39s

Darius · 2017-07-08 12:36:51

Estonians are useful for a baseline of retardation
They can be taught (slowly) janitorial skills however

razor · 2017-07-09 04:02:52

Darius wrote:

Estonians are useful for a baseline of retardation
They can be taught (slowly) janitorial skills however

shut up aimbotter haahhahshhfhasxd

Capt price · 2017-07-09 04:07:58

Why razor is always being rude to everyone?

razor · 2017-07-09 04:12:21

you are looking to throw away your career by leaving in the face of fear, return now or I will have your stripes kid. Don't test me

Last edited by razor (2017-07-09 04:17:32)

Darius · 2017-07-09 09:44:58

Are you sniffing deeko's socks son? No other explanation for this much stupid in one paragraph.

razor · 2017-07-09 09:52:02

What? No you're just a hacker lol.

Furthermore, your unban appeal:

"About 1 year ago i got banned for aimbot cause of a retarded kid."

Are you on freaking drugs mate? you got banned for AIMBOTTING, because of "somebody else"...

You used hacks and the reason you were banned was someone else's fault hahaha.

Last edited by razor (2017-07-09 10:05:01)

Darius · 2017-07-09 10:06:56

I am betting youre a little stinky cheater who has got away with it. I must have schooled you son and you look like the same dumb doorknob here when you lost.

razor · 2017-07-09 10:08:32

Cheater XD

Darius · 2017-07-09 10:10:44

Its pretty clear you DO know all about that, now hurry up and make my taco,

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