World War III

Arkos · 2022-03-02 22:45:16

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And that legitimates Russia to attack Ukraine?

And as second step Russia (want) place Nukes in Belarus.

Btw. Ukraine was not a Part of Russia. (Your Texas-Version).

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Let's wait on Friday. Russia is getting a new Law.

They say here (as example):

If you are calling this "Special Operation" in Ukraine a war, you can get up to 15 years penal colony. (Media/Demonstrations).

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Maasika · 2022-03-03 06:45:28

Graffiti from Prague anno 1968:

"Moscow circus visiting. Do not feed animals."

History repeated.

Arkos · 2022-03-03 13:23:55

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"Echo Moskwy" and "Doschd" went offline today.

They used the words "Attack", "Invasion" and "War".

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nämeless · 2022-03-03 15:03:18

I was offline for some time because of job and the other affairs. What can I say... All of those who march together in Europe in the name of peace and democracy are a bunch of hypocrites. You have to develop the standards for bombing. Who can be bombed, who can't and why.

I completely agree with Vojislav. Here is the cover of the Time magazine. It wasn't long ago.

For those who don't get it yet just read the story of the civil war in the East of Ukraine 2014-2022. It's not usual to call it the "civil war" in the European media.

I won't bring links, use Google for the sources, it's all up to you.

nämeless · 2022-03-03 15:10:48

Arkos wrote:

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"Echo Moskwy" and "Doschd" went offline today.
They used the words "Attack", "Invasion" and "War".
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Both are oppositional media. This "Echo Moskwy" or "Echo of Moscow" belongs to Gazprom-Media and there was the decision by the directors of Gazprom to get rid of this media. "Doschd" means "Rain", it has the status of a foreign agent. Technically, it's a Russian media funded from abroad. The decisions about these media were mostly made in response because Russian media are banned in Europe now.

Zody · 2022-03-03 15:12:48

ziba128 wrote:

Guy blames everyone for falling for propaganda and then literally translates Russian TV news to English... This shows how fucked Russia is – number of such putinists is really high

nämeless · 2022-03-03 15:19:16

I still believe there is still a chance for diplomacy. The next rounds of the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine may take place very soon. Maybe something good will happen, maybe not.

Arkos · 2022-03-03 16:23:53

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I'm afraid not.

Beside, ... you know you can't just take historical events to legitimate this.

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At the end the Russian people have to pay this for the next 20 years.

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Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-03 17:55:29

Arkos wrote:

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I'm afraid not.
Beside, ... you know you can't just take historical events to legitimate this.
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At the end the Russian people have to pay this for the next 20 years.
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Don't worry Arkos, panic has already started in Russia.

https://insiderpaper.com/russian-oil-gi … raine-war/

KarlsoN · 2022-03-03 18:30:45

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:

Don't worry Arkos, panic has already started in Russia.
https://insiderpaper.com/russian-oil-gi … raine-war/

no panic here.

Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-03 19:10:29

KarlsoN wrote:

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:
Don't worry Arkos, panic has already started in Russia.
https://insiderpaper.com/russian-oil-gi … raine-war/
no panic here.

Don't get me wrong now, if you are against the current war, or think its not the solution, i just wish you all the best.

After my work for a big trust fund, i always kept contact with the Russians i have met, and i still do. And they experience feelings of anger, panic and fear. Also they say its very hard to express this situation. So now 15 years of prison for 'fake news' and a martial law coming up? Not good. Arresting children and grandmothers because they peacefully protest agains this war? Crazy, what the hell.

And what about the Russian soldiers, having a very low moral or even deserting the combat area quite massively? Enough proof of that, panic, resistance and dejection all around. Tears after being captured, when they get to call their mom. I understand this, if you have been lied to and your army ends up in killing civilians (also many children). Loads of these Russian soldiers are barely mature, some even forced in to their army contract. And what do you think about the way Moscow is trying to hide the scale of casualties on Russian side? Distraught mothers saying their son were tricked into the army?

No, I don't know how to solve this. Wish i could. War is never the solution to political problems that any nation in the world has.

Arkos · 2022-03-03 19:41:02

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Ya, the situation is not easy.

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Meow · 2022-03-03 23:03:50

I'm amazed of this sudden Russian-bashing, and even more amazed of the fact that many people seem to take pleasure at this. In the good old Europe and USA who pretend to be the inheritance of tolerance and open-minds.

But masks fall. Two years of covid-fear made them hungry. They get out of their containment lair and look for someone to hate. They won't look for the truth. They want blood, they want that someone pays. Medias serves to them the forever and well-known "nasty Russians" on a silver plate,. They swallow it. They don't make a pause and think further. They won't try to understand what happens. They just want to bite like brainless dobermanns. Pitiful. And both Ukrainians and Russians are suffering of it.

Fkin hypocrits.

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Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-04 00:03:42

Meow wrote:

I'm amazed of this sudden Russian-bashing, and even more amazed of the fact that many people seem to take pleasure at this. In the good old Europe and USA who pretend to be the inheritance of tolerance and open-minds.
But masks fall. Two years of covid-fear made them hungry. They get out of their containment lair and look for someone to hate. They won't look for the truth. They want blood, they want that someone pays. Medias serves to them the forever and well-known "nasty Russians" on a silver plate,. They swallow it. They don't make a pause and think further. They won't try to understand what happens. They just want to bite like brainless dobermanns. Pitiful. And both Ukrainians and Russians are suffering of it.
Fkin hypocrits.

I'm reading bias after bias after bias. And all the list of invasions by the USA / NATO (including Syria). Yes, i also think they have been way too active with their military. And yes they made mistakes. And no, the West is far from perfect. My vision is built on years of digging in to stuff, reading official and independant documents, books and opinions. So for me, for example Sebrenica is painful, Dutch soldiers were partly responsible for at least 350 civils getting killed. Their task was to protect them.

Covid has shit to do with my opinion, don't ever bring such a stupid argument into the discussion again. It's far from pleasure for me. I have Russian friends, there are a lot of Russians in Amsterdam. I met them at the protest last weekend, they feel shit and angry. You think i enjoy this? There is just NO legislation for this Russian invasion. They commit crimes against humanity, and yes THAT makes me angry. There is no room for denying this. There is also no room to doubt about the fact that not a person on this planet will ever understand this.

Normally i utterly hate whattaboutism. But: don't forget Russia and its role in Syria, Georgia? Or should i remind you? And WHATABOUT Grozny? It's a pattern born out of fear. Fear of losing power, borders and regarding Ukraine how to live without Yanukovych as Putin his puppet. Guess who will come back as president when Ukraine falls in to Russian hands?

https://www.hrw.org/report/2020/10/15/t … astructure

https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence … chnya.html

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Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-04 00:11:34

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:

Meow wrote:
I'm amazed of this sudden Russian-bashing, and even more amazed of the fact that many people seem to take pleasure at this. In the good old Europe and USA who pretend to be the inheritance of tolerance and open-minds.
But masks fall. Two years of covid-fear made them hungry. They get out of their containment lair and look for someone to hate. They won't look for the truth. They want blood, they want that someone pays. Medias serves to them the forever and well-known "nasty Russians" on a silver plate,. They swallow it. They don't make a pause and think further. They won't try to understand what happens. They just want to bite like brainless dobermanns. Pitiful. And both Ukrainians and Russians are suffering of it.
Fkin hypocrits.
I'm reading bias after bias after bias. And all the list of invasions by the USA / NATO (including Syria). Yes, i also think they have been way too active with their military. And yes they made mistakes. And no, the West is far from perfect. In some cases the West tends to rationalise invasions and occupations when a western country or a western ally is the aggressor too fast. My vision is built on years of digging in to stuff, reading official and independant documents, books and opinions. So for me, for example Sebrenica is painful, Dutch soldiers were partly responsible for at least 350 civils getting killed. Their task was to protect them.
Covid has shit to do with my opinion, don't ever bring such a stupid argument into the discussion again. It's far from pleasure for me. I have Russian friends, there are a lot of Russians in Amsterdam. I met them at the protest last weekend, they feel shit and angry. You think i enjoy this? There is just NO legislation for this Russian invasion. They commit crimes against humanity, and yes THAT makes me angry. There is no room for denying this. There is also no room to doubt about the fact that not a person on this planet will ever understand this.
Normally i utterly hate whattaboutism. But: don't forget Russia and its role in Syria, Georgia? Or should i remind you? And WHATABOUT Grozny? It's a pattern born out of fear. Fear of losing power, borders and regarding Ukraine how to live without Yanukovych as Putin his puppet. Guess who will come back as president when Ukraine falls in to Russian hands?
https://www.hrw.org/report/2020/10/15/t … astructure
https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence … chnya.html

Meow · 2022-03-04 00:21:25

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:

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Then don't take it for yourself. I deal with what I see and read all around of me. I deal with posts filled with hate and stupid stuff against Russians. I don't legitimate Putin's war. I won't legitimate any war.

War is done by people fighting people they don't know, for the profit of people who know each others but who don't fight.

North Korea has never really attacked anyone out of its borders except South Korea. How would NATO act if suddenly they prepared a military pact with Mexico (for example) ? Don't you think that the USA would do everything they can to avoid it ? Even diving into a war against Mexico ?

War has always been a problem much more than a solution. But easy bashing is stuff for idiots.

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Rinjo · 2022-03-04 00:24:57

Nameless says: "You have to develop the standards for bombing. Who can be bombed, who can't and why." - It has been known for several days that the Russians are bombing civilian blocs in Ukraine, but they probably say the opposite on your television.

Man, open your eyes. All countries can see what war crimes Putin is doing. Russia is excluded from all sports competitions.
Thousands of companies are leaving Russia. Like IKEA, for example. Due to sanctions, the Russians will not be able to do anything in a moment. Famous Russian personalities such as the chess grandmaster Sergey Karjakin oppose the war.
Open your eyes in Russia!
Your leader has gone mad. Even China is against your crime

Dionysus · 2022-03-04 02:46:24

I have a feeling that this ''Rinjo'' dude is a NATO bot, for real.
Bots like him are posting anti-Russian propaganda material all over net... no point in reading his posts at all.

Arkos · 2022-03-04 11:51:01

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Ya, pointless to read the truth

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Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-04 12:34:12

Attacking and shelling a nuclear plant. No words, no way to justify this. Its beyond evil.

Zwarrior · 2022-03-04 13:27:08

RT´s youtube channel´s are blocked : (

Zwarrior · 2022-03-04 14:06:59

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:

Attacking and shelling a nuclear plant. No words, no way to justify this. Its beyond evil.

They said it was a sabotage perpetrated by the Ukrainian Army or forces.

Dionysus · 2022-03-04 14:13:33

Arkos wrote:

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Ya, pointless to read the truth
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Truth like ''NATO alliance in its 80 y existence never attacked any country''.
Then we go back to 1999 Serbia bombing......

As far as I can see Rinjo is bot, while u Arkos just provoke.
Solitude devastated u.

p.s Better give back Hitlers gold.

Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-04 14:28:57

Dionysus wrote:

Arkos wrote:
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Ya, pointless to read the truth
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Truth like ''NATO alliance in its 80 y existence never attacked any country''.
Then we go back to 1999 Serbia bombing......
As far as I can see Rinjo is bot, while u Arkos just provoke.
Solitude devastated u.
p.s Better give back Hitlers gold.

Did you forget about the siege of Sarajevo? About Ratko Mladić? You talk like this whole conflict was just one big crime from NATO. Stop being ignorant. Both sides have been wrong here.

May i remind you:

ABUSES BY BOSNIAN SERB AND OTHER SERBIAN FORCES

Many of the abuses attributed to Serbian forces follow a recognizable pattern that has come to be known as "ethnic cleansing," used against civilians during the wars in both Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina. The primary aim of "ethnic cleansing" is the capture or consolidation of control over territory by forcibly displacing, killing, mistreating or otherwise terrorizing members of the "enemy" ethnic group(s) in the area. In most Serbian-held areas of Bosnia-Hercegovina, "ethnic cleansing" against non-Serbs is part of a premeditated plan engineered at the very least by local and regional civilian, military and/or police authorities. In some instances, such abuses have been perpetrated by individual soldiers or single military, paramilitary and police units. The public nature of the abuses and the frequency with which they have taken place indicate that individual soldiers and military units do not anticipate disciplinary action by their superiors. The lack of punishment of Serbian soldiers for their abuses implies complicity on the part of the civilian, military and police authorities of the self-proclaimed Serbian state in Bosnia-Hercegovina, known as the "Republika Srpska."

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Ferd Grapperhaus · 2022-03-04 14:31:16

Zwarrior wrote:

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:
Attacking and shelling a nuclear plant. No words, no way to justify this. Its beyond evil.
They said it was a sabotage perpetrated by the Ukrainian Army or forces.

Where did you get this? All Russian sources have been blocked

jorgen · 2022-03-04 14:43:20

There was a meeting on iceland. There they agree on no more nato expansion. This was the times of soviet

dary · 2022-03-04 14:44:26

Zwarrior wrote:

RT´s youtube channel´s are blocked : (

Did you try VPN? Or try Telegram maybe.

Zwarrior · 2022-03-04 14:46:50

Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:

Zwarrior wrote:
Ferd Grapperhaus wrote:
Attacking and shelling a nuclear plant. No words, no way to justify this. Its beyond evil.
They said it was a sabotage perpetrated by the Ukrainian Army or forces.
Where did you get this? All Russian sources have been blocked

i got to the info in their web page RT in spanish, they have a live broadcast there.

Zwarrior · 2022-03-04 14:49:33

dary wrote:

Zwarrior wrote:
RT´s youtube channel´s are blocked : (
Did you try VPN? Or try Telegram maybe.

yep RT says they have a telegram channel there but i don´t use Telegram, anyways i can still watch the news from their website.

Arkos · 2022-03-04 14:52:25

Dionysus wrote:

Arkos wrote:
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Ya, pointless to read the truth
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Truth like ''NATO alliance in its 80 y existence never attacked any country''.
Then we go back to 1999 Serbia bombing......
As far as I can see Rinjo is bot, while u Arkos just provoke.
Solitude devastated u.
p.s Better give back Hitlers gold.

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It seems you still live in the 90's.

No one with a bit of brain would ever attack Russland.

What for? To get a Worldwide Nuclear Holocaust?

But, i tell you the situation now. Russia has thrown away everything. They will be isolated like before the 90's for years.

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Perhaps Russia Switch to the Chinese Paying system, but that needs time, bec. it's not worlwide yet. And the next step the world would have another cold war again.

If this is not over soon, i see no bright future for the world.

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And no, ... i have no Intensions to provoke.

No need, ... they think about to shut down the commodity trading for Russia.

And we should know where this step leads to.

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Many mercenarys from other countries are on the way to Ukraine.

Until now nearly every Country forbid this by Law, but many allow it now or are discussing to allow it and this is dangerous too.

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Btw. I have a Nucelar Bunker in my House. But i hope, i never need it.

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