Brexit came through...

ATF_SurrenderMonkey · 2016-06-27 02:15:10

Syndrum² · 2016-06-27 05:24:45

Stralia, what a joke haha xD

Sunshine · 2016-06-27 15:52:25

Joint's question made me think of a couple of questions.

Was there a single overall reason why Britain wanted to leave the European Union?

Does the European Union make laws for all of the countries in it or do they make laws that are specific to each country? Can a country make it's own laws that are against the European union's?

Arkos · 2016-06-27 16:52:00

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Each country has their own law.

The problem is, that the EU tries to secure it's global power. EU law over Country law, (which is also usefull in some cases, but not everywhere.

On the other side the EU Commissioner have since a time the right to bring each owns referendum, petitions and each one use them, which expands the time to bring any changes trough. (Because they try to bring through national interests.)

The EU made one failure. Too many changes in too short time.

And let's not forget, why it came like this. 2008 Bank-Crash. (But it only accelerated what anyway had to happen.) After this crash, many european countries were close to a financel collapse and it's no surprise that each one of them tries to bring their shapes into dry.

You know, there arte many good things in the EU.

> Free trade

> Declaration on/off products in every country are the same

> Provisions of additieves.

> Erasmus

> persons to freedom of movement

> etc.

The bad...

> Subsidies

> Eu want's to butt in decisions of national interests or law.

> persons to freedom of movement

> etc.

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The Ironie is, that it was UK, which forced the persons to freedom of movement for new members. And also they forced the eastward enlargement.

Other countries wanted a 5 year interim phase for new members and also for the persons to freedom of movement.

Those 2 reason were scarying the people after this 2008 crash and the following crysis, including unemployment and foreign infiltration.

We in swiss had a netto immigration about 80'000+ people in year on the other side we have no problems with unemployment. But in some countries, 50% from the 25 year old people are without a job. (No job... no hope for future. how you want to bring your young family through without a job.)

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You know... before WW1 there was also a "persons to freedom of movement". The restrictions came after WW1.

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bud · 2016-06-29 00:19:24

Sunshine wrote:

Joint's question made me think of a couple of questions.
Was there a single overall reason why Britain wanted to leave the European Union?

No, its a combination of different things. If i would dare try to simplify, i think the social rifts just grew to large.

Sunshine wrote:

Does the European Union make laws for all of the countries in it or do they make laws that are specific to each country? Can a country make it's own laws that are against the European union's?

I have watched political debates in sweden, where politicians argue for something and then end there talk with "we most do this anyway because of EU says so"

Sometimes its true, but i have seen politicians claim its a must do thing, when in fact its something that EU "recommend to do", and the kicker is that many politicians swallow those lies or "half truths" because they simply dont know better, or if they dont really care, i cant say.

But i digress, i dont know about other contries, but in Sweden they have worked in that EU laws now is above and a part of our "ground law" somehow, they actually managed to sneak in this change (takes long time to make changes in the ground law) without any news or reporters paying attention about it, so now its a fact and we cant leave EU even if we would want to. Well it would take atleast eight years to change the law again.

They have done the same sneaky law changing thing once before, about using military forces on civilians (wasnt allowed before) but not many knows about this because it was never in any news.

One final tought tho, EU should never had started fucking around with USA based companies. http://www.extremetech.com/computing/18 … gainst-amd Just one example, im sure there is more if one care to do some research.

Arkos · 2016-06-29 00:59:16

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We are happy here in EU that we don't have to eat genetically engineered food or chlorined chickens.

But what scares the people much more is TTIP and they do right on it.

TTIP helps only the superich people to get richer.

And this new businessmodell "investor protection clause" i just a joke. They want to lever the law and the courts. This TTIP is only a modern robber baronry, nothing else and i hope the people in EU stand up against it even though they are voiceless, because these negotiations are top secret. Not even the EU commissioners or the European Council are invited. Only some representative are discussing TTIP behind closed doors.

Thanks to the leaks that the people heard so much about it, like the part "no improvement of social standards from the gouverments of EU countries" etc.

Self-determination in certain cases is rational and i understand, why countries want protect their interests, like the people do too against a gouverment.

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And yes this battle AMD vs. Intel is epic. For years there was a code in the programms, which recognised which CPU Brand is running the thread. If it recognised, it's an AMD, it changed the parameters for benchmarks.

If you told the programm, that your AMD CPU is in fact an Intel the BenchmarkResult was much higher.

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bud · 2016-06-29 01:07:31

Arkos wrote:

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We are happy here in EU that we don't have to eat genetically engineered food or chlorined chickens.

Start talking for yourself instead of imposing things on other people.

EU is about to change the rules for how to grow ecological food, it will destroy companies here that is already struggling to survive.

Arkos wrote:

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And yes this battle AMD vs. Intel is epic. For years there was a code in the programms, which recognised which CPU Brand is running the thread. If it recognised, it's an AMD, it changed the parameters for benchmarks.
If you told the programm, that your AMD CPU is in fact an Intel the BenchmarkResult was much higher.

That was mainly because how the assembler code worked, i think you can set witch flags you want to use but most programmers just use what there was cus they knew it would work.

Anyway, not a single penny of those money went to AMD, it was swallowed by EU.

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Arkos · 2016-06-29 01:14:44

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A Chicken in the EU (or let's say germany) lives 11 days. In Swiss about 40 days and a bio Chiken 63-78 days.

The trend is back to the roots. But the problem is, that those nogotiations are behind closed doors. I hope that the people will stand up early enough, before they came in through the backdoor. It would be an example, how the EU governed "the passing folk". (i dont know if these are the right words).

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My intention was not to bring you in rage.

I sayed only something about chlorined chickens, because they have to chlorine it, because of all those multiresistant germs on the basis preventively administed antibiotics in high doses. And yes, the people even won't have to see those "food" in the market. Because if it's once here, the deeper price would change the mind of many of them.

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This was only an example why people also get annoyed of EU and incumbent gouverments.

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joint · 2016-06-29 04:44:13

maybe you should do a referendum in EU to stop using English as international language since they have leave you

Winston Smith · 2016-06-29 06:28:03

joint wrote:

maybe you should do a referendum in EU to stop using English as international language since they have leave you

Perhaps it's even better to use a language that is not a member state's mother tongue.

Zatoichi · 2016-06-29 06:54:19

All that really matters here now is the ISIS cells that used the freedom of movement are now all over Europe poised to attack, and will be using EU passports to easily go from country to country to carry them out, but not Britain anymore, thank F its also an island, you can't have this full border freedom during a migrant crisis involving islam eating itself again and snapping at anything else that gets near it, the only exception to the rule of tolerance is the hardcore islamist, nazi, hard religious right / racists, ultra communists, who all seek to subvert secularism against itself to implode
Nigel Farage is no Trump and its fully intended as a compliment,
because he's a hero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFt-pRIvL9E

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Arkos · 2016-06-29 16:16:53

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@joint

Swiss isn't in EU and won't be a part of it, unless the siwss franc would be for loong time under big pressure or the economy would fall into a recession over years. ... ...

But as far Switzerland's economy stays strong like the past decades, i don't see the chance, that the EU becomes a part of Switzerland. ... ...

PS. Me, i can't speak english, which makes it truly a bit difficult for me to post in that tongue.

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joint · 2016-06-30 01:05:47

Pat Condell says that EU is new Soviet Union lol

ABAS · 2016-06-30 09:03:33

Zatoichi · 2016-06-30 09:07:36

Pat Condell is fucking epic as fuck is what he is, check his other stuff, brilliant, true and hilarious at the same time

Zatoichi · 2016-06-30 09:08:47

ABBAS you live in Iran for fucks sakes, what are you gonna know about national sovereignty and indepedence? lol

ABAS · 2016-06-30 09:40:11

Zatoichi wrote:

ABBAS you live in Iran for fucks sakes, what are you gonna know about national sovereignty and indepedence? lol

you even cant type independence ,at least you dont talk about it
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … Empire.png

Zatoichi · 2016-06-30 10:10:36

Rapid typo's are easy to overlook, stolen Persian identity for centuries not so much,
my point is still valid

ABAS · 2016-06-30 10:24:21

Zatoichi wrote:

Rapid typo's are easy to overlook, stolen Persian identity for centuries not so much,
my point is still valid

what is your country language ?? Canadian or English?

dary · 2016-07-01 09:24:47

Arkos wrote:

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The bad...
> Subsidies
> Eu want's to butt in decisions of national interests or law.
> persons to freedom of movement
> etc.
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> no democracy, they make decisions without asking

> TTIP, CETA

> You have to pay for weak countries which have a too weak economy for the strong Euro

This quote from the president of the EU Commission Jean-Claude Juncker is true btw...

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dary · 2016-07-01 09:28:56

Zatoichi wrote:

typo's

typos

joint · 2016-07-01 10:22:32

now Merlin is orientalist:)
what a shame:(
hey, Merlin, say, can Ukraine join to EU or Canada, i heard you have legal weed there?

Syndrum² · 2016-07-01 11:10:43

You eat weed? Joint?

nämeless · 2016-07-01 11:22:38

joint wrote:

now Merlin is orientalist:)
what a shame:(
hey, Merlin, say, can Ukraine join to EU or Canada, i heard you have legal weed there?

Seems when you are high enough you can join everything. We have a proverb. Literally, it sounds like "The holy place is never empty", so why not?
One guy already did it, the other 40 millions are on their way.

https://www.facebook.com/yatsenyuk.arse … =3&theater

Zatoichi · 2016-07-01 15:07:12

You don't want into the EU, it is going to break up if not collapse outright anyway, Canada is not joining and NA union of any kind anytime soon, its like in all honesty, Russia stands a better chance as they are hoping the trade will calm and quiet Putin down on his east Europe aggressive expansionism, and Ukraine obviously should be a part of that community first and really for protection from Russia, (AGAIN OF COURSE, not the first time) but the EU is bad enough as is and would be even more disastrous if Russia and Or Turkey were to join, the last two countries that deserve to or should be joining, then back to the fact that EU sucks and is impractical, so to save economy, borders and sovereignty, it must break up and be rebuilt a couple of decades or so from now, done right, where representatives are elected and make their policies based on the voter demographic, and not write universal laws that impose upon, alter or force a country's own laws to change, to not come into conflict where they are reasonable, practical laws,
the other major toss up is millions of young muslim male migrant, islamic supremacists have always been among these genuinely war fleeing refugees / families this whole time, all they care about is getting their foot in the door, aggressively spreading islam and waging jihad, killing infidels

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bud · 2016-07-01 17:59:12

joint wrote:

hey, Merlin, say, can Ukraine join to EU or Canada, i heard you have legal weed there?

Fuck that, lets emigrate to Purtugal instead! https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-year … -happening

PanicModePete · 2016-07-04 13:41:22

At the moment the UK is looking for admins...anyone intrested? Or maybe this is posted in the wrong section..

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