I am a jihadist and I am tired of not being given credit.

Aqualung · 2015-11-19 03:44:57

It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic Jihadist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the Jihadists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It’s like a bad Monty Python sketch:

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“No you didn’t.”

“Wait, what? Yes we did…”

“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”

Winston Smith · 2015-11-19 04:08:32

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

I like the dramatic understatement of that apology.

janet reno (TX) · 2015-12-01 01:50:58

Hey boys,

Why are you mocking terrorist are islamic? The smartest woman in America doesn’t think so:

This is an example of political expedience that will eventually get a lot of people killed, but you have to love a Clinton for the use of political expediency no matter how stupid it sounds.

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seventy · 2015-12-01 02:04:35

She is not the only one.

janet reno (TX) · 2015-12-01 02:17:52

He was wrong on the nature of Islam but here is a difference:

seventy · 2015-12-01 03:02:57

"Without the Iraq war, Islamic State wouldn't exist today, former US special forces chief Mike Flynn openly admits."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor … 65131.html

Aqualung · 2015-12-01 03:25:47

seventy wrote:

"Without the Iraq war, Islamic State wouldn't exist today, former US special forces chief Mike Flynn openly admits."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor … 65131.html

So... let's assume for a minute there was no Iraq war (I was not in favor of it btw) - we will give the benefit of the doubt and say that without the war, we wouldn't have Islamic State today (they would just be fighting us under their parent company, Al Quaida). So then, by this logic, we would ONLY have 56 different worldwide-Islamic-terror groups instead of 57? That sounds SO much better...

Source: Worldwide Islamic Terror Groups List

The truth is, the reason we have a worldwide Islamic Jihad problem has little to do with "American foreign policy", "The Iraq War", or any other phony list of grievances that Leftists gobble up like catnip. The reality is that they just want to fucking kill us all because that's what Allah told them to do. And here we are, wallowing in denial, desperately searching for ANY scapegoat that will save us from confronting this uncomfortable reality.

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seventy · 2015-12-01 03:57:30

Aqualung wrote:

The reality is that they just want to fucking kill us all

How many are "they" ?

janet reno (TX) · 2015-12-01 04:35:57

Seventy,

So what is your point? What has been done can’t be undone. The problem is the U.S. president chose to retreat from Iraq leaving the vacuum that gave rise to ISIS. Obama’s feckless foreign policy based on his support of Islam has created ISIS.

I agree with Flynn:

"Flynn: We have to work constructively with Russia. Whether we like it or not, Russia made a decision to be there (in Syria) and to act militarily. They are there, and this has dramatically changed the dynamic. So you can't say Russia is bad, they have to go home. It's not going to happen. Get real. Look at what happened in the past few days: The president of France asked the US for help militarily (after the Paris attacks). That's really weird to me, as an American. We should have been there first and offered support. Now he is flying to Moscow and asking Putin for help. "

Former president Jimmy Carter is the happiest man in America because he is not longer the worst president ever.

Winston Smith · 2015-12-01 05:02:11

Aqualung wrote:

seventy wrote:
"Without the Iraq war, Islamic State wouldn't exist today, former US special forces chief Mike Flynn openly admits."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor … 65131.html
So... let's assume for a minute there was no Iraq war (I was not in favor of it btw) - we will give the benefit of the doubt and say that without the war, we wouldn't have Islamic State today (they would just be fighting us under their parent company, Al Quaida). So then, by this logic, we would ONLY have 56 different worldwide-Islamic-terror groups instead of 57? That sounds SO much better...
Source: Worldwide Islamic Terror Groups List
The truth is, the reason we have a worldwide Islamic Jihad problem has little to do with "American foreign policy", "The Iraq War", or any other phony list of grievances that Leftists gobble up like catnip. The reality is that they just want to fucking kill us all because that's what Allah told them to do. And here we are, wallowing in denial, desperately searching for ANY scapegoat that will save us from confronting this uncomfortable reality.

I believe that Western involvement in the Middle East has allowed the rise of IS/Daesh. The Invasion of Iraq was a massively destabilising event that was not managed well during the occupation phases. Disbanding the largely Sunni Iraqi army and not ensuring that all Iraqi weapons and explosives were accounted for lead to a situation that made the subsequent civil war possible. The civil war allowed secular divisions to widen and become even more entrenched.

IS/Daesh is largely Sunni. Sunni is the ethnic group that was in power during Saddam's reign and made up the bulk of Saddam's military. IS/Daesh is more or less an ethnic group.

Al Queda was different. They were former mujahideen who came from abroad and fought in Afghanistan. Al Queda had a global, rather than an ethnic, plan. Whereas IS/Daesh want to create a nation state in the general area that the Sunni people have historically lived, Al Queda do not have the same nationalistic goals.

I believe that without the invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent Iraqi civil war, most of the fighters who are now members of IS/Daesh would instead be under Saddam's firm control, whether in the military or simply as Iraqi citizens. In that situatoin IS/Daesh would indeed be just another Islamic terror group among many.

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Aqualung · 2015-12-01 05:09:18

seventy wrote:

Aqualung wrote:
The reality is that they just want to fucking kill us all
How many are "they" ?

WAY too many:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages … -polls.htm

Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.
The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.
(These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active. We will continue adding to this).

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Aqualung · 2015-12-01 07:07:45

Winston Smith wrote:

Aqualung wrote:
seventy wrote:
"Without the Iraq war, Islamic State wouldn't exist today, former US special forces chief Mike Flynn openly admits."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor … 65131.html
So... let's assume for a minute there was no Iraq war (I was not in favor of it btw) - we will give the benefit of the doubt and say that without the war, we wouldn't have Islamic State today (they would just be fighting us under their parent company, Al Quaida). So then, by this logic, we would ONLY have 56 different worldwide-Islamic-terror groups instead of 57? That sounds SO much better...
Source: Worldwide Islamic Terror Groups List
The truth is, the reason we have a worldwide Islamic Jihad problem has little to do with "American foreign policy", "The Iraq War", or any other phony list of grievances that Leftists gobble up like catnip. The reality is that they just want to fucking kill us all because that's what Allah told them to do. And here we are, wallowing in denial, desperately searching for ANY scapegoat that will save us from confronting this uncomfortable reality.
I believe that Western involvement in the Middle East has allowed the rise of IS/Daesh. The Invasion of Iraq was a massively destabilising event that was not managed well during the occupation phases. Disbanding the largely Sunni Iraqi army and not ensuring that all Iraqi weapons and explosives were accounted for lead to a situation that made the subsequent civil war possible. The civil war allowed secular divisions to widen and become even more entrenched.
IS/Daesh is largely Sunni. Sunni is the ethnic group that was in power during Saddam's reign and made up the bulk of Saddam's military. IS/Daesh is more or less an ethnic group.
Al Queda was different. They were former mujahideen who came from abroad and fought in Afghanistan. Al Queda had a global, rather than an ethnic, plan. Whereas IS/Daesh want to create a nation state in the general area that the Sunni people have historically lived, Al Queda do not have the same nationalistic goals.
I believe that without the invasion of Iraq, and the subsequent Iraqi civil war, most of the fighters who are now members of IS/Daesh would instead be under Saddam's firm control, whether in the military or simply as Iraqi citizens. In that situatoin IS/Daesh would indeed be just another Islamic terror group among many.

Good analysis, I agree with much of what you said. Several points of contention:

1. IS has it's roots in JTJ, founded in 1999, pledging allegiance to Al-Qaeda in 2004 as AQI (Al-Qaeda in Iraq). Granted that AQI namesake did not become active until after the US-led invasion.

2. Sadaam's and his loyalists were Ba'athists, an Arab nationalist party. One of the founders of Ba'athism, a Christian named Michel Alfaq was a strong supporter of secular government. He stated that a Ba'athist state would replace religion with a state "based on a foundation, Arab nationalism, and a moral; freedom." He also said that the Ba'ath Party "is with religious faith, but is not a religious party, nor should it be one."

3. The goals of IS and Al-Qaeda are largely the same, worldwide Islamic domination. Yes, they have slightly different strategic aims along the way but the end goal remains the same. IS detailed its goals in its Dabiq magazine, saying it will continue to seize land and take over the entire Earth until its "Blessed flag...covers all eastern and western extents of the Earth, filling the world with the truth and justice of Islam and putting an end to the falsehood and tyranny of jahiliyyah [state of ignorance], even if American and its coalition despise such."

4. Sunni/Shiite are denominations of Islam, I don't know that I would refer to them as "ethnic" divisions. The schism is largely religious and there are rather significant ethnic divisions within each denomination.

Again, 100% agree with the notion that the invasion of Iraq was a hugely destabilizing event. It was also EXACTLY what Al-Qaeda wished for in their infamous "Al Qaeda's Strategy to the year 2020" (If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you do - quite chilling how many of their goals have already been achieved).

I also strongly disagree with interventions in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Yemen, etc. I prefer the largely secular Assads, Ghaddafis, Mubaraks, Al-Sisis, Husseins, etc over the "not-so-radical" Islamists ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. As you aptly noted, they (secular dictators) have a firm grip on their nutcase fanatics and do/did a rather excellent job of keeping them under wraps.

The lesson for us is that democratic society is simply not meant for everyone. 3rd world (primarily Muslim) barbarians have much evolving to do before they can be expected to do anything useful with it or the freedoms inherent in a (relatively) democratic society.

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Winston Smith · 2015-12-01 09:16:18

Just a quick reply to your reply...,

1. IS has it's roots in JTJ..,

Actually I'm not sure what JTJ is, I'll have to look it up later. It looks like some kind of emoji. If it was "TJT" it could be a crying elephant.

2. Sadaam's and his loyalists were Ba'athists, an Arab nationalist party. One of the founders of Ba'athism, a Christian named Michel Alfaq was a strong supporter of secular government. He stated that a Ba'athist state would replace religion with a state "based on a foundation, Arab nationalism, and a moral; freedom." He also said that the Ba'ath Party "is with religious faith, but is not a religious party, nor should it be one."

Very true, they were Bathists. Assad is a Bathist too, isn't he? Perhaps I'm wrong there. There were a few prominent Christians in the Bath Party, including the well-spoken, bespectacled former prime minister - I forget his name.

During the time of Saddam there was a very strong central government that had a secular ideology that focused on Arab nationalism and tolerated minority groups and religions so long as they didn't try to rise up or rock the boat. The nationalism and cult of personality was strong enough to suppress, and give an alternative to, religious fundamentalism; remember too that Iraq was once the bulwark standing strong against Iranian fundamentalism.

In 2003 three things happened: the cult of personality lost its authority, the military was disbanded, and the leadership and bureaucracy were debaathenised.

However, there was an ancient authority that could replace Saddam's regime, one that already had a cult of personality in Mohammad and a strong bureaucracy in the church, all it needed was a military. And there were now 200,000* idle soldiers looking for a purpose.

*Like most other internet statistics I made this number up.

This is all very muddled. I was trying to write quickly but I lost my way somewhere above. The point I was trying to make is this: even though Baathist ideology is secular and non-religious, for the average Iraqi it doesn't matter whether they're following Baathism or Islam, Saddam or Mohammad. They are following something that gives them purpose and a degree of power.

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Winston Smith · 2015-12-01 09:59:51

To point three: IS saying they'll continue seizing land until they take over the world is akin to North Korea saying they're ready to wage a nuclear war with America and they'll fight until they have liberated the world from greed and capitalism; it's basically just bullshit you say to people who already support you. It's empty in actual meaning.

And finally point four: you're absolutely right that Shiite and Sunni are religious rather than ethnic groups. However, because the great split happened so long ago and Iraq is really divided tribally, I would argue that there is a distinction between tribes who are Shiite And those who Sunni. They are not technically, necessarily different ethnicities but they act as if they are.

Anyway, im only explaining how I see the situation in Iraq from a vantage far, far away. I don't know what's really going on, how could I?

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Aqualung · 2015-12-01 11:26:10

Agree with nearly all of that. To point 3 however, have you seen the latest IS propaganda video? I think you will agree it is a bit different than North Korea. I also happen to think it is the most important video yet.

It is helpful to understand some basic and universal Islamic concepts like Khilafa, Jihad, Kuffar, Shirk, Hijrah, Mushrikeen, Tawaheed as well as some historical political frameworks such as Sykes-Picot and previous Caliphates.

Anyway, this video tells me several things:

1. It IS absolutely about Islam.
2. It doesn't matter if you don't think #1 is true, THEY do and that is ALL that matters.
3. All of a sudden, things like "refugees", end time prophecies, etc start making more and more sense.
4. We either:
a. win this fight, win quickly, win decisively and win with overwhelming certainty.
b. commit willful suicide.
c. there is no "c"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmlbMsS5yRM

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HoOK · 2015-12-01 13:28:50

I understand from this that im terrorist too?

Aqualung · 2015-12-01 19:12:49

HoOK wrote:

I understand from this that im terrorist too?

Why's that?

HoOK · 2015-12-01 19:17:21

You says that isis is presenting islam, so?

Aqualung · 2015-12-01 19:42:08

HoOK wrote:

You says that isis is presenting islam, so?

I am saying that ISIS is 100% Islamic, just like the other 57 Islamic terror groups. Their horrendous actions are very well supported in the commandments/teachings of the Qur'an, the Sunnah and, perhaps most importantly, in the examples of their prophet Muhammad. Ignoring or ,worse yet, whitewashing the Islamic basis for their atrocities doesn't help anyone, especially the so-called "moderate" Muslims.

An important note. NOBODY (who is sane) is saying that "all Muslims are terrorist". What we are saying is "Nearly all terrorists are Muslim, and acting in the name of Allah". There is a distinction here, even if it is missed on some folks.

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bud · 2015-12-01 20:42:43

Vojislav · 2015-12-01 21:22:20

I cant believe what am reading, '' Nearly all terrorists are Muslim they jsut want to kill us '' ONLY TERRORIST ORGANISATION ON PLANET IS US, AND NATO . Who created al-Qaeda ? Americans with purpose to fight against soviet union, then they turned against their creators , who burned down iraq ? Americans ,motive was ''mass destruction weapon which Sadam have , pure lie like usual , but never mind about that Sadam is killed who cares about him ? , when you pumped out all oil you just go away leaving chaos and religious war which are always one of the bloodiest.Who started "arab spring" ? Americans and france burning down libya which started to be most progressive country in africa , tribal war is still active also one of the bloodiest, Syria , Egypt, Iran is next ,North Corea ... List will never end. And after all this tragedy and disaster someone is entering in the middle of problem and saying ''they are terrorists and want to kill us'' I will very lovely kill you all who started this calamity on every place of earth. How many families lose their members because of your interests ? Millions, 10 % of them will love to kill you all, 1% is ready to do it . These are that 1 % , you wanted war-you have it now, i just hope finally in yours playground,maybe after that you will think twice is it war worthy...

George · 2015-12-01 22:18:28

Why can't we just love eachother, support eachother, pray for eachother ????
I guess, those who have the interest in doing deeds against humanity, and for "higher" purposes, such as money, oil, etc., those are to blame, not common people, or religion, or whatever.

WE NEED to stand against our own tyrants, our puppet politicians, and /or megacorporation owners, and their asslickers.
Then, just then, this world wiLL be a beautiful place to live !

Syndrum² · 2015-12-01 22:33:18

Aqualung wrote:

HoOK wrote:
You says that isis is presenting islam, so?
I am saying that ISIS is 100% Islamic.

ISIS is 0% Islam.

bud · 2015-12-01 23:29:10

George wrote:

Why can't we just love eachother, support eachother, pray for eachother ????
I guess, those who have the interest in doing deeds against humanity, and for "higher" purposes, such as money, oil, etc., those are to blame, not common people, or religion, or whatever.

Check out the documentary Planet Oil, among other things there is the mentioning of old top secret papers that has recently been made public about how united kingdom and usa together plotted against and assasinated leaders of countries that didnt want to give in for their oil blackmail.

I think most of the shit in the world happens because of oil, probably started with ww1 and just kept going.

Aqualung · 2015-12-02 00:43:32

Syndrum² wrote:

Aqualung wrote:
HoOK wrote:
You says that isis is presenting islam, so?
I am saying that ISIS is 100% Islamic.
ISIS is 0% Islam.

You said it so I guess it must be so, thanks for clearing up the confusion!

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janet reno (TX) · 2015-12-04 04:51:29

Gen. John J. (Black Jack) Pershing has the answer to Islamic terrorist attacks on his forces during the 1900 Philippians resurections:

HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS . . . it worked once in our History . . .

Once in US history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.

Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The US soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs' blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.

All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

I like to use bacon strips to make a bookmark in the Koran. When I read the words of the devil pig fat is the only answer..

Winston Smith · 2015-12-04 05:54:04

janet reno (TX) wrote:

Gen. John J. (Black Jack) Pershing has the answer to Islamic terrorist attacks on his forces during the 1900 Philippians resurections:

HOW TO STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISTS . . . it worked once in our History . . .
Once in US history an episode of Islamic terrorism was very quickly stopped. It happened in the Philippines about 1911, when Gen. John J. Pershing was in command of the garrison. There had been numerous Islamic terrorist attacks, so "Black Jack" told his boys to catch the perps and teach them a lesson.
Forced to dig their own graves, the terrorists were all tied to posts, execution style. The US soldiers then brought in pigs and slaughtered them, rubbing their bullets in the blood and fat. Thus, the terrorists were terrorized; they saw that they would be contaminated with hogs' blood. This would mean that they could not enter Heaven, even if they died as terrorist martyrs.
All but one was shot, their bodies dumped into the grave, and the hog guts dumped atop the bodies. The lone survivor was allowed to escape back to the terrorist camp and tell his brethren what happened to the others. This brought a stop to terrorism in the Philippines for the next 50 years.

I like to use bacon strips to make a bookmark in the Koran. When I read the words of the devil pig fat is the only answer..

So to stop a terrorist you must become a terrorist.

This seems like a slippery slope...,

janet reno (TX) · 2015-12-04 06:11:19

Fucking ass shit,

Bring it on chicken bone. Opps I mean pig bone I'm going to stick up their ass if they come in my area of operation, over!

ATF_SurrenderMonkey · 2015-12-04 07:57:15

So, when pigs fly has a special meaning? Put a pig on each airline flight?

janet reno (TX) · 2015-12-04 08:03:18

You got it

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