Ukraine demonstrations

s[sk] · 2014-07-19 00:26:19

nämeless wrote:

Clear logic! Hahaha! Read again.

is that you, yoda? ;-)

nämeless · 2014-07-19 00:27:06

Read will help! (c) Yoda

You have to read it again to make sure that your logic is poor and you were mistaken.

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tuia · 2014-07-19 00:42:24

Dead bodies - strong visual content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSXrnYLtyM

Zero · 2014-07-19 00:51:08

tuia wrote:

Dead bodies - strong visual content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSXrnYLtyM

People are looting everything I see.....
The passports look brand new that is weird though
Can someone do a summary of what she said when they showed the passports?

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nämeless · 2014-07-19 01:10:55

Zero wrote:

tuia wrote:
Dead bodies - strong visual content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoSXrnYLtyM
People are looting everything I see.....
The passports look brand new that is weird though
Can someone do a summary of what she said when they showed the passports?

They are not looting, they are demonstrating evidence using a phone camera. Ukraine is the country where people kill people because of political issues and people make videos to make proofs, because the Ukrainian officials never call it "war", they call it "counter-terrorist operation". For example, today about 40 died and over 100 wounded in the Eastern Ukraine: women, children, civilians...

tuia · 2014-07-19 01:19:26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQWJ6-IEKiQ

s[sk] · 2014-07-19 01:21:45

nämeless wrote:

because the Ukrainian officials never call it "war", they call it "counter-terrorist operation". For example, today about 40 died and over 100 wounded in the Eastern Ukraine: women, children, civilians...

just wondering, chechnya was war or counter-terrorist operation?

http://rt.com/news/chechnya-celebrates- … operation/

btw, i'm sure ukrainian officials might call it "war" if that other country that is supporting those terrorists with arms and personnel stopped denying it ;-)

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Timmos · 2014-07-19 01:34:16

fuck this world, i knew a family that was in the plane..

Syndrum² · 2014-07-19 03:46:30

Zero wrote:

Black box stores flight data + pilot conversations.
Maybe that has some useful info

I have heard on news that one blackbox isssmissing from the crashed plane

Zero · 2014-07-19 11:36:52

Syndrum² wrote:

Zero wrote:
Black box stores flight data + pilot conversations.
Maybe that has some useful info
I have heard on news that one blackbox isssmissing from the crashed plane

Yeah they have found atleast one

nämeless · 2014-07-19 14:17:15

s[sk] wrote:

just wondering, chechnya was war or counter-terrorist operation?
http://rt.com/news/chechnya-celebrates- … operation/

There were at least two wars, that's how it's officially called: first Chechen war, second Chechen war.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0% … 0%BD%D0%B0

s[sk] wrote:

btw, i'm sure ukrainian officials might call it "war" if that other country that is supporting those terrorists with arms and personnel stopped denying it ;-)

There still no proofs that Russia support them with weapons. Anyway, it's easier to call them "terrorists" because they want independence. Yes, a few millions terrorists in the East of Ukraine...

s[sk] · 2014-07-19 14:48:39

nämeless wrote:

There still no proofs that Russia support them with weapons. Anyway, it's easier to call them "terrorists" because they want independence. Yes, a few millions terrorists in the East of Ukraine...

if you go back, i used to call them rebels or separatists
btw, if you subtract those that came from behind the border, how many those who are armed and fight you end up with? hundreds? thousands?

nämeless · 2014-07-19 14:55:05

s[sk] wrote:

nämeless wrote:
There still no proofs that Russia support them with weapons. Anyway, it's easier to call them "terrorists" because they want independence. Yes, a few millions terrorists in the East of Ukraine...
if you go back, i used to call them rebels or separatists
btw, if you subtract those that came from behind the border, how many those who are armed and fight you end up with? hundreds? thousands?

What?

Arkos · 2014-07-19 15:09:05

...

You know, you can never be sure, if there are not a third or/and a fourth partie, who wants to destabilisize the region.

Best example... Northafrica, Syria, ...

At the end it's all about money and power and influence...

...

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nämeless · 2014-07-19 15:12:57

Arkos wrote:

...
You know, you can never be sure, if there are not a third or/and a fourth partie, who wants to destabilisize the region.
Best example... Northafrica, Syria, ...
At the end, it's all about money and power and influence...
...

Totally agree!

Arkos · 2014-07-19 15:26:43

...

If you see what's coming up all around us... it reminds me on EU vs. PAC in Bf2142 or Frontlines Fuel of War...

...

2006: Die Welt betritt das Post-Peak-Oil-Zeitalter.
2007: Die ehemaligen Sowjetstaaten wollen der EU und der NATO beitreten. Russland reagiert verärgert.
2009: Der Widerstand überwältigt die pakistanische Regierung. Ein Bürgerkrieg entbrennt.
2010: Ein CIA-Staatsstreich in Venezuela scheitert. Demokratie-Bewegungen in China werden zerschlagen.
2011: Die Supermächte beziehen Stellung im Sunniten-Schiiten-Konflikt. China und Iran tauschen Öl und Waffen aus.
2013: Der Iranisch-Saudische Krieg greift auf die Region über und involviert Israel.
2015: Die Wirtschaftskrise führt zu Bürgerunruhen. Das nordamerikanische Militär überfällt Öl-Lieferungen.
---- Die Red Star Alliance wird gegründet. ----
2016: Die Supermächte verwandeln sich in Polizeistaaten und setzen Wahlen außer Kraft.
---- Die Western Coalition wird gegründet. ----
2018: Die Hauptmächte sind nicht mehr in der Lage, ausreichend Getreide für ihr Volk zu produzieren.
2020: Militärische Aufrüstung im Nahen Osten durch die Supermächte beginnt als Sicherung der letzten Ölfelder.
2024: Die Red Star Alliance besetzt die strategisch wichtigen Öl-Felder von Turkmenistan.
---- Der Dritte Weltkrieg entbrennt. ----
Juni 2024: Die Western Coalition startet einen Gegenangriff auf Afghanistan.
Juli 2024: Die Western Coalition kämpft sich zum Kaspischen Meer vor und marschiert fast widerstandslos in Russland ein.
August 2024: Ausbruch von Feindseligkeiten zwischen China und Taiwan, Nordkorea startet einen Angriff auf Südkorea.
September 2024: Die Western Coalition wagt einen Angriff auf das russische Kernland, bevor die chinesische Verstärkung eintrifft.
Oktober 2024: Die russischen Truppen weigern sich aufzugeben und sind gezwungen, bis ins Uralgebirge zurückzuweichen.

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s[sk] · 2014-07-19 15:28:04

nämeless wrote:

btw, if you subtract those that came from behind the border, how many those who are armed and fight you end up with? hundreds? thousands?
What?

i'm asking how many ukrainian citizens are currently actively fighting in eastern ukraine against official army
used to be small groups in many cities seizing buildings and stuff, now when they getting concentrated, should be easier to count them - only if you knew who is who

Kobra · 2014-07-19 19:07:01

Syndrum² wrote:

Zero wrote:
Black box stores flight data + pilot conversations.
Maybe that has some useful info
I have heard on news that one blackbox isssmissing from the crashed plane

as far as i know both have been found and sent to moskau which could mean that the data will not be published or whatever. Although it's pretty obvious...

nämeless · 2014-07-19 20:40:09

Kobra wrote:

Syndrum² wrote:
Zero wrote:
Black box stores flight data + pilot conversations.
Maybe that has some useful info
I have heard on news that one blackbox isssmissing from the crashed plane

as far as i know both have been found and sent to moskau

I heard nothing of this.

TD · 2014-07-19 20:45:51

Just heard off that plane with like 80 kids in it being shot down by separatists. Sick.

nämeless · 2014-07-21 00:18:41

It seems that "leaked" conversation about Boeing made by Ukrainian security service is a fake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQs8_l2WuaY#t=342

Meanwhile, I got some news about these black boxes from Boeing. This guy said that black boxes are in Donetsk now and they are ready to give them to ICAO experts, not to Ukraine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH2LQGxi-yo

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joint · 2014-07-21 15:09:45

we have here the Украинский кризисный медиа-центр (Ukrainian crisis media center)- conveyor of anti russian bullshit
ssk should know it, he gotta love it
uacrisis.org/ru

Kobra · 2014-07-21 15:41:57

not quite sure what the black boxes should show up...

say · 2014-07-21 16:06:31

joint wrote:

we have here the Украинский кризисный медиа-центр (Ukrainian crisis media center)- conveyor of anti russian bullshit
ssk should know it, he gotta love it
uacrisis.org/ru

lol cmon joint also russians playing their role in whole scenario

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joint · 2014-07-21 16:16:50

of couse, but the thing is what goals they pursue, and how that impact on people who live here and on their future
and how close the "play" to the "truth"

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nämeless · 2014-07-21 17:34:36

Fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0izv885jMBI

Sunshine · 2014-07-21 18:53:07

The faking of video stuff was talked about yesterday on the news. Some people believe it was fake some believe it is Russia trying to make it look faked and some say that there's differences in the ways their talking and sounds because the way it was chopped up or something.

Who knows.

One thing for certain is someone shot down a civilian plane. Intel people were saying they know the equipment originally came from Russia and that separatists had help to use it and they know where the missile came from and they gave the name of the town in that donetsk place but I don't remember the name. People on one side will believe that and Russians and those separatists will not believe that. I'm sure Russia has intel people that have said opposite things too which Russians will believe and the others will not believe.

In reality, probably none of us know what exactly happened and whats actually going on right now. Both sides will play their games.

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Zero · 2014-07-21 18:56:18

One of the rebels said that they do not have acces to AA vehicles

nämeless · 2014-07-21 21:10:17

I am watching the report of the Russian ministry of defence: photos from satellites, routes of the Ukrainian army vehicles (including these Buks), planes etc. I found it very interesting. Not sure you will be able to watch the same on your TV, then I am saying the main idea of that report is that most likely it was Ukrainian army and ICAO expects should get these black boxes to Canada from Donetsk to make sure who did it. OSCE expects are already working there now.

Sunshine wrote:

The faking of video stuff was talked about yesterday on the news. Some people believe it was fake some believe it is Russia trying to make it look faked and some say that there's differences in the ways their talking and sounds because the way it was chopped up or something.

This video is made from the pieces of another conversations. It's not the only plane that separatists shot down in the Eastern Ukraine.

Zero wrote:

One of the rebels said that they do not have acces to AA vehicles

Maybe yes, maybe not. Maybe they are lying but the question is who did it. These separatists have a lot of weapons from the Ukrainian military bases and storages, because they control about 5-7% of Ukrainian territory. Apparently, they also have "sponsors" from Russia: weapons, kits, uniform. I am not talking about food supplies by civilians in Russia because it's quite usual thing nowadays. You can think that I am also a separatist sponsor because once I sent two big boxes of pasta (macaroni) there.

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s[sk] · 2014-07-21 21:56:51

nämeless wrote:

It's not the only plane that separatists shot down in the Eastern Ukraine.

finally something i can agree with ;-)

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