Ukraine demonstrations

s[sk] · 2014-07-17 18:09:23

those previous ones were shot down from ground if i'm not wrong, this su-25 is said to be shot from air (do the "rebels" have air force?), that commercial airliner, we have to see

Sunshine · 2014-07-17 18:27:45

News here says a news group called interfax says it was shot 'at altitude" whatever that means and some say they believe it was something sounding like "book" that did it.

Whatever did it and whoever did it... still so sad.

s[sk] · 2014-07-17 18:30:33

Sunshine wrote:

News here says a news group called interfax says it was shot 'at altitude" whatever that means and some say they believe it was something sounding like "book" that did it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

HoOK · 2014-07-17 18:38:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhUkqs9CQ0w

s[sk] · 2014-07-17 19:59:18

separatists are saying they don't have anything that could shoot over 3km high

post from their twitter about seizing Buk got deleted

https://twitter.com/dnrpress/status/483248037629018112
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s … 8112+&cd=1

doesn't prove anything tho

tuia · 2014-07-17 20:58:44

Another Malaysia Airlines plane gone (just a coincidence) and blame it on the Russians.

Coco · 2014-07-17 21:03:09

It's lilypad

hmmm sorry...

joint · 2014-07-17 21:27:02

separatists ask for international investigation and promise safety and full cooperation to investigators

s[sk] · 2014-07-17 21:55:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

can someone do a summary of that video? thanks

Nosferatu · 2014-07-17 22:27:12

Plane was flying at 10km altitude, if it wasn't shot down then Malaysia Airways can close their business.
If it was shot down then this situation really has hit the fan!

Shooting down commercial planes... how fucking stupid are those people?!?

nämeless · 2014-07-17 22:38:54

s[sk] wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
can someone do a summary of that video? thanks

Somebody or someone? Okay, I will tomorrow, when I will be at work. It's too late now.

tuia · 2014-07-17 22:43:22

Nosferatu wrote:

Plane was flying at 10km altitude, if it wasn't shot down then Malaysia Airways can close their business.
If it was shot down then this situation really has hit the fan!
Shooting down commercial planes... how fucking stupid are those people?!?

If you want to put the blame on someone else, it's a pretty normal procedure throughout history, called false flag attacks:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_attack

s[sk] · 2014-07-17 22:52:24

you don't have to use metapedia to demonstrate the term ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

tuia · 2014-07-17 22:55:09

I don't trust biased wikipedia information for this type of matters.

Zody · 2014-07-17 23:13:08

tuia wrote:

I don't trust biased wikipedia information for this type of matters.

metapedia is just biased and racist. Sorry but you cant put it differently. I´m not saying wikipedia is better but metapedia is just stupid. You shouldn´t use it!

nämeless · 2014-07-17 23:32:52

Metapedia looks more biased for me personally.

seventy · 2014-07-18 00:03:05

tuia has a smiley as an avatar so I trust him more.

Nosferatu · 2014-07-18 00:47:22

tuia wrote:

Nosferatu wrote:
Plane was flying at 10km altitude, if it wasn't shot down then Malaysia Airways can close their business.
If it was shot down then this situation really has hit the fan!
Shooting down commercial planes... how fucking stupid are those people?!?
If you want to put the blame on someone else, it's a pretty normal procedure throughout history, called false flag attacks:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_attack

That was an attack on a military ship... What happened now is completely different.

I am really curious what will happen now, but (knowing our pathetic Dutch leaders) I think they will make some agreement with the Soviets.

Knowing that Russia gave the equipment to those terrorists (I can call them that now) makes them accessory. Action should be made here.

tuia · 2014-07-18 01:02:23

That is the message to the herd: blame it on Russia.

s[sk] · 2014-07-18 01:19:53

Nosferatu wrote:

Knowing that Russia gave the equipment to those terrorists (I can call them that now) makes them accessory. Action should be made here.

too early for conclusions

s[sk] · 2014-07-18 03:03:03

nämeless wrote:

Okay, I will tomorrow, when I will be at work. It's too late now.

probably no need unless there are errors in translation
you can do the fact checking ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyZYgSXdyw

nämeless · 2014-07-18 08:46:19

s[sk] wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
can someone do a summary of that video? thanks

V. Geranin: ... Bljad'!
I. Bezler ("Bes"): The plane just has been shot down. "Miner's" group, fell down outside Enakievo.
V. Geranin: Pilots... Where are the pilots?
I. Bezler ("Bes"): ... gone to seek and make photos of the downed plane. Smokes...
V. Geranin: How many minutes ago?
I. Bezler ("Bes"): So, about 30 minutes ago.

"Greek": Yes, "Major"?!
"Major": So, it does mean that Chernukhinsk people shot the plane down.
"Greek": Who? Who shot down?
"Major": ... cossacks from the Chernukhin check-point, that are standing by at Chernukhino.

"Greek": Yes, "Major"?!
"Major": So, the plane has been crumbled away into pieces in the air in the area of the Petropavlovskaya mine, the first two-hundredth has been found...
"Greek": ... yes, civilian.

"Major": Yes, Pasha?
"Greek": What's up with you there?

"Major": In short, it's hundred percent that it's a civilian plane.
"Greek": It's clear. Are there a lot of people?
"Major": Pizdets. The wreckages were falling straight to the yards there, blja...
"Greek": Which plane is this?
"Major": I have not investigated it yet because I have not been in front of the main part. I only watch where first bodies started to fall.
"Major": There are remnants of internal brackets, chairs, bodies...
"Greek": It's clear.
"Major": Here it is...
"Greek": Are there any weapons?
"Major": Nothing at all. Civilian stuff, medical scraps, towels there, toiler paper...
"Greek": Are there any documents?
"Major": Yes, one of an Indonesian student from Thompson university, blja...

Kozitsyn: ... about the plane downed nearby Snezhnoe-Torez. It turned out to be a passanger one, fell down in the Grabovo area, there is a sea of corpses, women, children there.. Cossacks are looking at this stuff now.

Militant: On TV reporting like it's that Ukrainian AN-26 transport plane but it's said that it's written "Malaysian Airlines" on it. What was it doing over the territory of Ukraine?
Kozitsyn: Well, then it was delivering spies. Fuck them all. Understand?
Militant: Yes!
Kozitsyn: For fuck's sake they were flying there, bljad'. The war is going on now, bljad'.
Militant: Got it.

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nämeless · 2014-07-18 08:57:32

18+

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWCeaoaRTo

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Tuesday · 2014-07-18 09:26:41

In the 1960s US military leaders planned a false flag attack so they could justify starting a war with Cuba, it was called Operation Northwoods. The documents were later declassified nearly 40 years later.

ABC News did a report on it
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

You can of course find more info on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

dary · 2014-07-18 09:38:36

nämeless wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWCeaoaRTo

Please warn if there are dead bodies.

nämeless · 2014-07-18 09:46:38

Taking into account that Ukraine already shot one passenger plane down in 2001 and the fact that the Security Service of Ukraine made a lot of fake news in this information warfare earlier, I see no reasons to trust them. I also see no reasons to trust the separatists, because they probably lie they have no missile systems like that one which shot the Malaysian plane down. It's not a kind of a counter-terrorist operation (like the Ukrainian officials call it), it's war and thousands already died there. Well, this plane could be shot down by Ukrainian army because they have missile systems by default, the plane could be shot down by separatists because they can get these missile systems like all the weapons they already got in the Ukrainian military bases and storages in the East of Ukraine, separatists control this territory now. I also think that some third side could be involved here. Anyway, separatists already said they are ready to send the black boxes to Moscow for investigation. Time will tell.

mccrank wrote:

nämeless wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnWCeaoaRTo
Please warn if there are dead bodies.

Done.

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tuia · 2014-07-18 11:03:29

Malaysia Airlines plane disappeared in March this year, another Malaysia Airlines plane shot down yesterday. Bad luck? Mere coincidence? Here's why.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGWJ7tVr47o

nämeless · 2014-07-18 14:09:08

http://ria.ru/world/20140718/1016541309.html

s[sk] · 2014-07-18 14:35:37

nämeless wrote:

http://ria.ru/world/20140718/1016541309.html

yes and they've mistaken it for Putin's plane as lifenews.ru wrote ;-)

http://lifenews.ru/news/136833

nämeless · 2014-07-18 14:51:43

LifeNews wrote that it's opinion of their insider in the federal air transport agency.

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