#1381 2022-11-19 00:43:58

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John Gult wrote:
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Poland, together with Ukraine and (liberated from Lukashenka's regime) Belarus, will determine security in this zone.

Rinjo!  Here I am ready to agree with you, but you forgot to add "... as part of the Russian Federation."  :-)

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Rinjo! Тут я готов согласиться с тобой, но ты забыл добавить «… в составе Российской Федерации». :-)


Russians think that Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians, etc. want to be part of "Great Russia". Well, they don't. While before Russia's barbaric attack on Ukraine there were people in Ukraine who had a sentiment for Russia - after February 24 - there are no such people. Ukrainians want nothing to do with Russia. What can Russia give Ukraine? Cheap gas and all. high standard of living, infrastructure development, social development – this is what Europe offers. Do not be surprised, but Ukraine will never be part of Russia. On the other hand, Poland will now start to cooperate with Ukraine and you will see how beautifully we will develop together.

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#1382 2022-11-19 02:13:46

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#1383 2022-11-19 02:17:56

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... Die CIA kam bei JFK mit dem Begriff das erste mal um die Ecke...

https://theconversation.com/theres-a-co … why-132117
"The more moderate version has been particularly popular in recent years for two reasons. First, it is very easy to disprove the more extreme claim that the CIA actually invented the term. As a search on Google Books quickly reveals, the term “conspiracy theory” emerged around 1870 and began to be more frequently used during the 1950s."
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Just saying...

Interesting, the words may existed earlier, but what matters in the meaning.

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#1384 2022-11-19 09:17:01

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#1385 2022-11-19 13:31:00

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dary wrote:
Insane wrote:
dary wrote:

... Die CIA kam bei JFK mit dem Begriff das erste mal um die Ecke...

https://theconversation.com/theres-a-co … why-132117
"The more moderate version has been particularly popular in recent years for two reasons. First, it is very easy to disprove the more extreme claim that the CIA actually invented the term. As a search on Google Books quickly reveals, the term “conspiracy theory” emerged around 1870 and began to be more frequently used during the 1950s."
https://i.ibb.co/XFTvjK9/IMG-20221116-170253.jpg
Just saying...

Interesting, the words may existed earlier, but what matters in the meaning.

You didn't read it did you?
The CIA used the term only once and in a casual way. All these insinuations about them inventing the term that you're spreading have already been busted but you keep blindly insisting.
I kinda respected you but now you put yourself on a same level as john gult, sort of a crazy preacher of doom.

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#1386 2022-11-20 13:30:57

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e.S wrote:

All of us understand that Russia was forced and provoked into these actions. Even the fact that how many fortified military facilities were built in Ukraine suggests that the provocation was planned many years ago. Someone really wants to have control over russian gas, oil and market. In addition, some idiots killed agriculture in their countries in hope of producing and exporting almost for free from Ukraine. And now those idiots are howling that the africans are starving and under this pretext awant to take something out before winter comes. So you can discuss as much as you like, but do not lie to yourself.


Bre, not only russian market... Read somewhere that German companies have bad time now...some doesn't exist anymore, some are moving to US - where cheaper energy resources... Germans looses jobs, americans get those jobs. Hm. Thats for sure what is german politics desire, I guess.

And the berbock frue who doesn't care about her voters? Who is paying her? I believe you will say Putin, Arkos

This topic is not interesting. Will not read it anymore.

Even if so, these are different things the economy war, where people loosing money and power, and the war where people loosing lifes.
Escalation was biggest misstake of Russia i think, doesnt matter if they feel they were somehow pushed for it. And russian government realise this for sure.

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#1387 2022-11-20 16:25:19

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Thing is, they don't regret the fact that they took someone's lives but the sole fact that they face the consequences.
Anyways telling them about it is useless Joint, they already stated the lives do not matter, even for these "simple russians" it's all just the geopolitics.

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#1388 2022-11-20 21:23:50

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Thing is, they don't regret the fact that they took someone's lives but the sole fact that they face the consequences.
Anyways telling them about it is useless Joint, they already stated the lives do not matter, even for these "simple russians" it's all just the geopolitics.

Id still like to belive there are reasable men, and many will change their opinion soon under the weight of reality and facts.

Quotes of Winston Churchill:
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
"Some men change their party for the sake of their principles; others their principles for the sake of their party."
"There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion."

..Lets hope for the best and try to not being blinded by hate.

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#1389 2022-11-20 21:29:01

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#1390 2022-11-22 10:40:01

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https://news.err.ee/1608796249/military … properties

First we pay them and then give away our homes and land as well and it's all for our own good, right?
Small coutry is turned into military training ground

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#1391 2022-11-22 12:28:24

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dary wrote:

USA took over Ukrainian government to be closer to Russia... they want to do with Russia what the did with many other countries. Imo the West is to blame for this conflict. 20 years ago people have predicted what will happen around this time and here we are. What a mess. The aim is to divide people, so that we don't unite and see who the real enemies are. Same old game... over and over. Matrix 2.0...

with this message you activate jet thrust in the asses of narrow-minded people who have one country just like that at war with another


KarlsoN wrote:

Disagree. I think it's much smart and easier to buy real cheap oil and gas, instead of military actions.


the choice is not whether to buy gas peacefully or seize fields
the choice is who Europe will buy gas from.
After the start of the special operation and the explosions of the northern streams, Europe began to buy liquefied natural gas from the United States.
Classic:
- Europe's dependence on Russian gas is dependence and shackles.
- Europe's dependence on American LNG is independence and economic freedom
Do you want to be independent? Stop depending on Russia and be dependent on the USA!


Also, after the start of the special operation, due to the supply of weapons, the United States secured orders for the military-industrial complex for hundreds of billions of dollars.
This is even if we miss the political aspect of the missed opportunity to create a union between Russia and Germany in the future, as a very strong competitor to the United States in Europe.

The beneficiaries are obvious. The US deepstate is very smart and pragmatic.

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#1392 2022-11-22 16:09:36

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What a Nonsens!

Europe bought already Gas and Oil from Russia, but after that aggression war, it was clear for Europe to look for other sources, to not be dependent and blackmailable by Russia.

If you start an aggression war against someone, old friendships are put to the test, with the risk to lose them.

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#1393 2022-11-23 14:59:24

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Fking Russia attacked Ukranian energetic systems again.
Whole Moldova is now disconnected from electricity.
Trolleybusses stalled on streets, underground crosswalks are dark, internet is unstable, even supermarkets closed for a few hours.
It's a lot quieter than usual.
I'm boiling some glintwein. November 2022

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#1394 2022-11-24 14:56:57

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Continuing the theme of the "monkey with a grenade."  Here is what The New York Times (USA) writes:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/24/worl … 20conflict

It seems that most of the civilian casualties in the rocket attacks were at the hands of the Ukrainian army (like those Poles near Lublin), but the Russian rockets reach their intended targets.

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В продолжение темы об «обезьяне с гранатой». Вот что пишет «The New York Times» (USA):

https://inosmi.ru/20221124/raketa-258184044.html

Похоже, что большинство гражданских жертв при ракетных обстрелах погибли от рук украинской армии (как и те поляки под Люблином), а вот российские ракеты достигают намеченных целей.

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#1395 2022-11-24 15:45:04

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Two things are a constant, the audacity of z-tards and the naiveness of Joint. smile

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#1396 2022-11-24 15:58:32

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Two things are a constant, the audacity of z-tards and the naiveness of Joint. smile

Excuse me, but “The New York Times” have already become z-tards?!

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#1397 2022-11-24 16:10:36

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IMG-20221124-171303.jpg
Reportedly a shooter in a ruzzian town of Krymsk shot some people then shot himself.
https://files.fm/u/xqtdfj6dg

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#1398 2022-11-24 22:35:18

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John Gult wrote:

Continuing the theme of the "monkey with a grenade." Here is what The New York Times (USA) writes:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/24/worl … 20conflict

It seems that most of the civilian casualties in the rocket attacks were at the hands of the Ukrainian army (like those Poles near Lublin), but the Russian rockets reach their intended targets.

I've stayed out of this thread because I don't want to get into all the debate/arguments, but I have to call you out on editorializing a news article.

Nowhere in that article does it even remotely claim "most civilian casualties in the rocket attacks were at the hands of the Ukrainian army (like those Poles near Lublin)" like you said.

This article is detailing a specific event on September 26th where a missile missed it's target and wounded 3 civilians. Quote from a resident: “Three people got wounded, they say. No dead. It hit the apartment where no one lives, and in the next one, people got hurt,” said Olga Vasylivna, a resident who lived adjacent to where the missile hit. Her account was borne out by witnesses. “We had hits in this neighborhood before. Now we are afraid of every tiny rustle.”

An American-made missile fired by Ukrainian forces wounded three civilians in eastern Ukraine in September, according to residents and debris recovered from the scene, marking a rare instance where U.S.-supplied weapons were linked to civilian casualties in the nine-month-old conflict.

The strike — from an AGM-88B High Speed Anti-Radiation Missile, which is fired from a fighter jet against ground targets like radar and air-defense systems — happened on Sept. 26 around 6 p.m. in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk, residents said. The industrial city in Ukraine’s Donbas region has been the site of constant missile and artillery attacks since Russia invaded in February.

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The intended target of the AGM-88 that struck the apartment building in Kramatorsk is unclear, but it is possible that it was unable to find an enemy radar and struck the apartment building after it ran out of fuel. The missile will keep flying if it misses its original target and look for other enemy radar targets.

The article technically claims Russian rockets do reach "their intended targets" but I don't think it's what you're thinking the article says.

There are no recorded instances of Ukrainian forces purposely targeting cities completely under their control, indicating that the missile was likely off-target and may have malfunctioned. Russian troops, however, have often targeted civilian infrastructure and population centers as a central and repeated tactic.

To mask their attacks on civilians, the Kremlin has often falsely attributed some such casualties to malfunctioning Ukrainian air defenses that struck residential areas instead of intercepting incoming Russian missiles and drones.

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#1399 2022-11-26 08:10:09

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Nowhere in that article does it even remotely claim "most civilian casualties in the rocket attacks were at the hands of the Ukrainian army (like those Poles near Lublin)" like you said.

Sunshine!

Thank you for writing a normal message with adequate and reasoned criticism!

In contrast to messages with insults and stupid slogans that are coming out-monkeys (this applies only to neo-ukrams, to the so-called "going out to Pitek", and not to normal Ukrainians).

I live in the Crimea, and I know a lot from the inside, from eyewitnesses and participants in the events taking place in Ukraine.  And I know how Ukraine makes all these shows for a Western audience with Bucha, with a bus in Volnovakha, with the death of civilians, etc.

I see how “crookedly”, one-sidedly the Western press covers the events in Ukraine (for example, all these rapes, stories with Viagra, with toilet bowls, washing machines, etc., with executions of unarmed prisoners or columns of civilians, etc.)

When I gave a link to this article, I wanted to show that the situation is changing - the Western press is gradually beginning to reveal the truth to its audience.  So far, not the whole truth, but only a part.  About the fact that it was a Ukrainian missile that killed the Poles;  about the fact that these are Ukrainian air defense missiles hitting residential buildings.  There will be more truth to come.

Just imagine - if the Western press says this, what is really going on there?!  (she has shown you so far only 1% of the crimes committed by the Ukrainian regime)

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Sunshine!

Спасибо Вам за то, что написали нормальное сообщение с адекватной и аргументированной критикой!

В отличие от сообщений с оскорблениями и тупыми лозунгами, которые пишут укро-обезьяны (это относится только к нео-украм, к так называемым «укро-питекам», а не к нормальным украинцам).

Я живу в Крыму, и знаю многое изнутри, от очевидцев и участников событий, происходящих на Украине. И знаю, как Украина делает все эти шоу для западной аудитории с Бучей, с автобусом в Волновахе, с гибелью гражданских и т.д.

Я вижу, как «криво», однобоко освещает западная пресса события на Украине (например все эти изнасилования, истории с виагрой, с унитазами, стиральными машинами и т.д., с расстрелами безоружных пленных или колонн гражданских, и т.д.)

Когда я дал ссылку на эту статью, я хотел показать, что ситуация меняется - западная пресса начинает понемногу приоткрывать правду перед своей аудиторией. Пока что не всю правду, а только часть. Про то, что это украинская ракета убила поляков; про то, что это украинские ракеты ПВО попадают по жилым домам. Дальше будет больше правды.

Вы только представьте - если западная пресса заявляет такое, что же там на самом деле происходит?! (она показала вам пока только 1% тех преступлений, которые осуществляет украинский режим)

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#1400 2022-11-27 01:05:19

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Just like you are not insulting no one in your posts.  Your happy to tell us that the strike was Ukranian fault but you forget say why  the missile crossed the border ( because of Russian attack )

Westren audience one side or the other of the medal can make their mind about it from free press, what about the Russians press ?

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#1401 2022-11-27 02:27:50

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Btw. Is there a function to disable Propaganda Bots?   smile

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#1402 2022-11-27 09:55:19

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Your happy to tell us that the strike was Ukranian fault but you forget say why  the missile crossed the border ( because of Russian attack )

Do you think that Russia strikes for no reason, just like that? :-)

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А Вы полагаете, что Россия наносит удары без причины, просто так? :-)

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#1403 2022-11-27 10:14:13

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Dakota wrote:

Just like you are not insulting no one in your posts.  Your happy to tell us that the strike was Ukranian fault but you forget say why  the missile crossed the border ( because of Russian attack )

Westren audience one side or the other of the medal can make their mind about it from free press, what about the Russians press ?

A free Western press, unaffected by government propaganda.

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#1404 2022-11-27 10:25:21

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I'll add to refresh your memory:

CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9905/23/kosovo.01/

Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/i … 052599.htm


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Добавлю, для того чтобы освежить вашу память:

CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9905/23/kosovo.01/

Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/i … 052599.htm

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#1405 2022-11-28 17:08:39

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Bobmbing kremlin at the right time could finish the war and libirate russian people

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#1406 2022-11-29 12:23:32

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This is not an excuse for Russia's actions to destroy Ukraine's infrastructure, because we all understand that it is the innocent people who suffer first of all, and the elderly and children to a greater extent. But I want to show a press conference of a NATO representative on the topic of the destruction of Serbia's infrastructure by NATO troops.

https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm

"Question (Norwegian News Agency): I am sorry Jamie but if you say that the Army has a lot of back-up generators, why are you depriving 70% of the country of not only electricity, but also water supply, if he has so much back-up electricity that he can use because you say you are only targeting military targets?

Jamie Shea : Yes, I'm afraid electricity also drives command and control systems. If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO's five conditions and we will stop this campaign. But as long as he doesn't do so we will continue to attack those targets which provide the electricity for his armed forces. If that has civilian consequences, it's for him to deal."

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#1407 2022-11-29 21:27:42

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Recenly, on a world-wide known social-network, I saw a publication joking about americans (USA) who couldn't locate any country on a map [that was not USA]
And people made laughing comments, mocking American people etc.
I answered sth like "Yes, maybe Americans don't know it, but just ask an European to locate every State and city of the USA, and you'll get  the  same results. Question is : why idiot European follow by the finger and by the letter to the idiot Americans ?"

Few minutes later, I received a notification that my post couldn't be published because it's wrong with "the policy of racial hate" and things like that. -first time of my life I receive this kind of message-
Where does censury begins and where does censury ends ? Who handles propaganda ?

I hope it helps everyone to think about.

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#1408 2022-11-29 21:46:52

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Meow wrote:

Recenly, on a world-wide known social-network, I saw a publication joking about americans (USA) who couldn't locate any country on a map [that was not USA]
And people made laughing comments, mocking American people etc.
I answered sth like "Yes, maybe Americans don't know it, but just ask an European to locate every State and city of the USA, and you'll get  the  same results. Question is : why idiot European follow by the finger and by the letter to the idiot Americans ?"

Few minutes later, I received a notification that my post couldn't be published because it's wrong with "the policy of racial hate" and things like that. -first time of my life I receive this kind of message-
Where does censury begins and where does censury ends ? Who handles propaganda ?

I hope it helps everyone to think about.

This cannot be, because everyone knows that Western society is the freest in the world, there is no censorship and propaganda...

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#1409 2022-11-29 23:11:22

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I would like to see the real post and your answer Meow to judge for my self but I guess it will be impossible ?  Your freedom of speech ends when you step over those of dont think like you, by insulting them and tinking that only you have the truth.

Did you post fake news ?  Dima this is called facts checking not censorship and its keeps propaganda way more difficult !

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#1410 2022-11-29 23:22:38

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Dakota wrote:

I would like to see the real post and your answer Meow to judge for my self but I guess it will be impossible ?  Your freedom of speech ends when you step over those of dont think like you, by insulting them and tinking that only you have the truth.

Did you post fake news ?  Dima this is called facts checking not censorship and its keeps propaganda way more difficult !

I posted upper the translation of what I really posted (almost word by word). I didn't post more than that sentence. I won't show any prove or screenshot, I just rely it here.
As I said, it's first time I receive this kind of notification. I'm not on the board of racial hate. There are idiots everywhere, and there are good people everywhere (even in Canada), no matter colour, religion, sex [...]

And the primary post was obviously to mock Americans, subsequently to the Listenburg "affair".

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