World War III

nämeless · 2022-05-20 09:38:06

https://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/latvia/ … d=54138216

simon · 2022-05-20 10:13:01

Not for watching or reading but for owning a certain instrument to bypass blocks. As stupid as it is, the people who base their view on tv news are even more stupid and it applies to both sides

Vojislav · 2022-05-20 10:47:34

True question is why would anyone restrict access to any media. Does countries see their citizens as brain dead idiots who cant use own mind to distinguish true or fake news? Or its just another " free world values" in a row.

Zody · 2022-05-20 11:35:51

Vojislav wrote:

True question is why would anyone restrict access to any media. Does countries see their citizens as brain dead idiots who cant use own mind to distinguish true or fake news? Or its just another " free world values" in a row.

Isnt this proof enough that some ppl cant see through propaganda and have to be protected from themselves?

https://imgur.com/a/QzlKVzi

Few days after the attack, this. Same talking points as Putin. Propaganda absolutely has an effect, so protecting your people against it isnt wrong.

You could prolly make a timeline of nämeless descend into a Russian mouthpiece but I dont really wanne waste my time on this, because this topic isnt about discussions its about winning

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persia · 2022-05-20 12:29:58

Simon is infuriated that we post european news that, in his opinion, doesnt reflect reality. But at the same time, he doesnt mind that this whole topic and his posts here are quoting 90% of european template news. It's so funny

persia · 2022-05-20 12:35:34

Zody wrote:

Few days after the attack, this. Same talking points as Putin. Propaganda absolutely has an effect, so protecting your people against it isnt wrong.
You could prolly make a timeline of nämeless descend into a Russian mouthpiece but I dont really wanne waste my time on this, because this topic isnt about discussions its about winning

so what's surprising here? speaker the truth is limited only to her, a liar can say anything

Zody · 2022-05-20 12:49:28

The post wasnt for you. I dont think I get far by wasting time discussing this with you. Make out of it what you may. Im sure the result will be nothing.

simon · 2022-05-20 13:28:04

What reality persia? I've been very critical of both sides and refrained from posting any news articles. Haven't you considered that neither of us knows what's really going on and that you won't find it in the news?

Zwarrior · 2022-05-20 13:31:25

Zody wrote:

Vojislav wrote:
True question is why would anyone restrict access to any media. Does countries see their citizens as brain dead idiots who cant use own mind to distinguish true or fake news? Or its just another " free world values" in a row.
https://i.ibb.co/NSJJg7G/IMG-20220516-074145-013.jpg
Isnt this proof enough that some ppl cant see through propaganda and have to be protected from themselves?
https://imgur.com/a/QzlKVzi
Few days after the attack, this. Same talking points as Putin. Propaganda absolutely has an effect, so protecting your people against it isnt wrong.
You could prolly make a timeline of nämeless descend into a Russian mouthpiece but I dont really wanne waste my time on this, because this topic isnt about discussions its about winning

He have lost it, but dont worry, at the end they will be isolated from the rest of the world, facing years & years of crisis thanks to what he once called them "their wise goverment". As we say here "Scabies with pleasure does not itch"

nämeless · 2022-05-20 14:43:09

Zody wrote:

I dont really wanne waste my time on this

Did you come to tell me you don't waste your time on me?

Zody · 2022-05-20 14:57:13

You ve become really good at taking things out of context. Must be a requirement to join the propaganda forces. Here watch this

https://vp.nyt.com/video/2022/05/15/100 … g_720p.mp4

Ukrainian men being walked to their execution in Bucha.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/worl … tions.html

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persia · 2022-05-20 15:03:44

simon wrote:

Haven't you considered that neither of us knows what's really going on and that you won't find it in the news?

why not?

the truth can be found, of course, not 100%, but the direction is without any problems. To do this, you need to approach the analysis of information with a cool head and a certain level of consciousness, a bit history
An elementary understanding that any state has no friends, there is only benefit - will give you answers to many simple questions.

persia · 2022-05-20 15:06:47

Zody wrote:

Ukrainian men being walked to their execution in Bucha.

apart from the pict of the spaniard risitas, there is nothing more to answer here
level of arguments - 1st school

joint · 2022-05-20 17:14:10

Zody wrote:

You ve become really good at taking things out of context. Must be a requirement to join the propaganda forces. Here watch this
https://vp.nyt.com/video/2022/05/15/100 … g_720p.mp4
Ukrainian men being walked to their execution in Bucha.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/worl … tions.html

https://youtu.be/qb5RusI8mNg
One on left is survived by miracle, he later told that russians ask for a cigaret, they gave them and walked away, but those just shot them in back just like that.
There are many vids and more stories, ive herd from witnesses like a whole village was raped, a 12year boy, who was raped hard and doctors cried, because it had meat outside of anus, a russian chechen soilder who beated to death two own soilders because saw what they had done with a grand woman there are lot of more that doest fit in news and they call it just "war crimes", big mature men are cry seeing all this and its not easy listen about politic after

nämeless · 2022-05-20 21:04:23

joint wrote:

Zody wrote:
You ve become really good at taking things out of context. Must be a requirement to join the propaganda forces. Here watch this
https://vp.nyt.com/video/2022/05/15/100 … g_720p.mp4
Ukrainian men being walked to their execution in Bucha.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/worl … tions.html
https://youtu.be/qb5RusI8mNg
One on left is survived by miracle, he later told that russians ask for a cigaret, they gave them and walked away, but those just shot them in back just like that.
There are many vids and more stories, ive herd from witnesses like a whole village was raped, a 12year boy, who was raped hard and doctors cried, because it had meat outside of anus, a russian chechen soilder who beated to death two own soilders because saw what they had done with a grand woman there are lot of more that doest fit in news and they call it just "war crimes", big mature men are cry seeing all this and its not easy listen about politic after

Eating that propaganda really made you braindead. What you post is just a part of that fake video made by CNN.

https://waronfakes.com/civil/proof-of-w … nn-report/

Raping and killing the entire villages? How can you believe in this shite? No one will do it, this is the case for tribunal. In Russian prisons, those who are convicted for raping are the lowest caste, the are the most despised people with a lot of problems among the others. How do you suppose it's possible and how many rapists it's needed to rape the entire village? Was it a special rapist battalion involved in, lol?
I'm watching the reports now where it's written that Russian soldiers are looting everything, even lavatory pans, because this is the first time they see such invention. All these things just make me laugh.

nämeless · 2022-05-20 21:24:42

I do know something in the labour organisation. Just a quick analysis of how to organise the raping of the entire village. The average population of the villages in Ukraine is from a few hundreds and up to a few thousands people. Let's say we have a village with 1000 people population, not a big one. We have a task to rape the village. How it's possible to organise it? We need 1000 rapists with 1:1 ratio: 1 rapist on 1 victim. The lower the number of the rapists, the more job it's needed to be done for each one. For example, 333 rapists can rape 1000 village dwellers in 1:3 ratio, but it will take time. Also, it's needed to catch the village dwellers and hold them somewhere to rape them all. So, the question is how to find 333 highly-motivated rapists, organise them into one group, relocate to some village, do the job and keep it in secret?

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nämeless · 2022-05-20 21:42:24

To get the information what exactly is going on in the places under control of the Russian army, it's better to seek for some blogs of some local people that are just filming everything around. For example, this is Kherson.

https://www.youtube.com/user/zemlyanaroda/videos

Zody · 2022-05-21 00:39:14

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-how-a … a-61062940

lul

bud · 2022-05-21 08:15:06

now it will never end.

https://youtu.be/9x9rXtP6_GE

simon · 2022-05-21 09:03:31

These details about rape and other stories won't matter. Better try to understand where it will take us all. There is no way the great reset can come without destroying the current world order. How lucky for them; oops covid broke out, oops war broke out. These events set the ground of what's to come, piece by piece e.g international pandemic treaty put into place, more and more censorship, rising prices - our lives get limited in the name of ''security'' and money is extracted from our pockets

joint · 2022-05-21 13:58:47

nämeless wrote:

I do know something in the labour organisation. Just a quick analysis of how to organise the raping of the entire village. The average population of the villages in Ukraine is from a few hundreds and up to a few thousands people. Let's say we have a village with 1000 people population, not a big one. We have a task to rape the village. How it's possible to organise it? We need 1000 rapists with 1:1 ratio: 1 rapist on 1 victim. The lower the number of the rapists, the more job it's needed to be done for each one. For example, 333 rapists can rape 1000 village dwellers in 1:3 ratio, but it will take time. Also, it's needed to catch the village dwellers and hold them somewhere to rape them all. So, the question is how to find 333 highly-motivated rapists, organise them into one group, relocate to some village, do the job and keep it in secret?

You took numbers from nowhere and made calculation, thats so typical for propagandists
A guy whos sister been raped told me. Would love to see you telling him your numbers face to face

joint · 2022-05-21 14:00:47

bud wrote:

now it will never end.
https://youtu.be/9x9rXtP6_GE

Soon will end, trust me

nämeless · 2022-05-21 14:47:36

joint wrote:

nämeless wrote:
I do know something in the labour organisation. Just a quick analysis of how to organise the raping of the entire village. The average population of the villages in Ukraine is from a few hundreds and up to a few thousands people. Let's say we have a village with 1000 people population, not a big one. We have a task to rape the village. How it's possible to organise it? We need 1000 rapists with 1:1 ratio: 1 rapist on 1 victim. The lower the number of the rapists, the more job it's needed to be done for each one. For example, 333 rapists can rape 1000 village dwellers in 1:3 ratio, but it will take time. Also, it's needed to catch the village dwellers and hold them somewhere to rape them all. So, the question is how to find 333 highly-motivated rapists, organise them into one group, relocate to some village, do the job and keep it in secret?
You took numbers from nowhere and made calculation, thats so typical for propagandists
A guy whos sister been raped told me. Would love to see you telling him your numbers face to face

Did you try to comprehend the way this information comes to you? The information has features: reliability, objectivity, completeness, relevance, clarity and accessibility.

1. You don't know it for sure because you haven't witness it.
2. The information comes to you through at least two extra sources and it could be easily distorted: it's the guy and his sister.
3. It can be just a blatant lie from the beginning.

There are a lot of cases when women lie about such things. For example, Amber Heard claims about the home violence but all we know is that he's shitting in Johnny Depp's bed. The woman that claims she was raped can do it in favour of some things:

1. She hates Russians.
2. She can get some financial aid as a victim of rape.

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nämeless · 2022-05-21 15:49:09

joint wrote:

bud wrote:
now it will never end.
https://youtu.be/9x9rXtP6_GE
Soon will end, trust me

Sometimes I'm watching Ukrainian TV to get the state of mind of Ukrainians. I would compare it with a dipping into a bucket of shite but whatever. Ukrainians are waiting a lot for American money — 40 billion dollars, this lend-lease aid. Zelensky pretends he's going to build the new Ukrainian one million army and then there will be super counter-offensive operation.

Firstly, let's talk about the population of Ukraine. In 1991, the year of collapse of the Soviet Union, the population of Ukraine was 51 million people and Ukraine had the fourth economic of Europe. In the beginning of 2022, the population of Ukraine, judging by the official numbers and being the poorest country of Europe, was 37 million people without Crimea (gone in 2014) and some parts of DPR and LPR (leaving now). The war has started in the end of February, 6,4 people fled from Ukraine as refugees abroad, including 1,3 million to Russia. The number of internally displaced people is 7,7 million people. It does mean they're out from Ukraine's economics. 37-6,4-7,7=22,9 million people. Let's say some refugees will come back and the total population of Ukraine now is 30 million people. Although, I'd never expect such numbers because a lot of Ukrainian citizens were only registered on the territory of Ukraine even before the war has started and their real residency was Europe or Russia. Okay, 30 million of people and 40 billion dollars of lend-lease. It's 1333 dollars for each resident of Ukraine. But Ukrainians won't get these money, it's all will go into the military-industrial companies of the United States and Ukraine will get the weapons. Not the new ones, of course, but those which should be utilised. Some part of 40 billion lend-lease aid I'd write off on corruption in US and Ukraine, of course. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world with the president and oligarchs whose offshores is the forbidden topic in the Western media. No one is talking about it anymore.
I've started this analysis from Ukrainian TV and its numerous reports about the victories of Ukrainian army like in Kiev and Kharkov. The problem is those weren't victories, there were the maneuvers of the Russian army to block the Ukrainian army there. It wasn't possible to capture the cities like Kiev (2,9 million people) and Kharkov (1,4 million people) with such small army that was there. The main battlefield in Ukraine is Donbass with Ukrainian army of 60000 or even more people, which will be destroyed in a few months, this is one of the goals of the special military operation, like our ministry of defence says: the territory of DPR and LPR.
So, what will happen if Zelensky will make the new Ukrainian army for counter-offensive? It will be the escalation, the number of Russian forces will be increased in the territory of Ukraine and it will turn into the real war, not a special military operation. There will be no gas, no electricity, no fuel, no water and other things that are needed for the civilians and the industry of the country. It will be hungry and cold. Ukraine will turn into European Somalia or Afghanistan with a lot of weapons. The war for years, until Ukraine stop exist as a military threat.

nämeless · 2022-05-21 16:02:57

simon wrote:

These details about rape and other stories won't matter. Better try to understand where it will take us all. There is no way the great reset can come without destroying the current world order. How lucky for them; oops covid broke out, oops war broke out. These events set the ground of what's to come, piece by piece e.g international pandemic treaty put into place, more and more censorship, rising prices - our lives get limited in the name of ''security'' and money is extracted from our pockets

World financial crisis this Autumn. This November, I presume. The less independence, the more damage. Everything that doesn't cost its real price will go down. There will be the war between the TV-set and the fridge.

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Vojislav · 2022-05-21 16:11:24

All this is +/- true, but am afraid true masters of this war calculated perfectly all of this. All this so called ''aid'' is under fat contracts , even if war stops in one moment, ukraine will be slave of those US contracts to the rest of life. They will have to dance as USA plays. This will last long and will have to turn to real full scale war if Russia want to prevent attack on self. Future of Ukraine is as u said Afghanistan , everyone will take from them pieces like from Swedish table, and will keep dying in the name of US. Poland will take its part, Hungary maybe in some time. Ukraine will be nothing. And all could be different if they try to honestly cooperate with first neighbor and a global power like Russia is.. All recourses , endless market for goods, military protection... But no, for own ego will lose everything.

nämeless · 2022-05-21 16:34:47

Vojislav wrote:

All this is +/- true, but am afraid true masters of this war calculated perfectly all of this. All this so called ''aid'' is under fat contracts , even if war stops in one moment, ukraine will be slave of those US contracts to the rest of life. They will have to dance as USA plays. This will last long and will have to turn to real full scale war if Russia want to prevent attack on self. Future of Ukraine is as u said Afghanistan , everyone will take from them pieces like from Swedish table, and will keep dying in the name of US. Poland will take its part, Hungary maybe in some time. Ukraine will be nothing. And all could be different if they try to honestly cooperate with first neighbor and a global power like Russia is.. All recourses , endless market for goods, military protection... But no, for own ego will lose everything.

What really scares me is that Ukraine has 4 nuclear power plants: 3 are under control of Ukraine, 1 is under control of Russia. This is an interesting article to read.

https://iz.ru/1337427/ekaterina-tiunina … shchitu-rf

Everything may go worse any day.

persia · 2022-05-21 19:47:54

nämeless wrote:

Ukrainians are waiting a lot for American money — 40 billion dollars, this lend-lease aid.

Americans are certainly very cool in political games. It would seem that lend-lease to Ukraine for 40 billion. But only now all this money will remain in the United States and go to the production of weapons and equipment for "Ukraine".

bud · 2022-05-21 23:44:26

doomed

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simon · 2022-05-22 10:09:43

A lot of crucial information the public doesn't have access to. If one could completely detatch and look at everything from above without any bias, one could get a clearer picture than those who are noses deep in the news trying to filter the truth from bullshit.
With Finland and Sweden looking to join NATO, more troops and equipment ordered into the baltics and many other ominous events that are happening, it is clear that it's time to get out of comfort zone

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