#1 2021-08-19 21:16:54

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Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

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I guess so...


> You remember how many times i was whining inGame?

> When i made those Unreal Tournament Offline Gameplays, i wrote that i have some weird framedrops.

> In Demigod, since years, i had also those weird Stutters in Offline Game, (you see it in the 1440P videos). When it happend i zoomed out and it was a bit better.)

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Some days ago i wanted to check something inside the PC, put it away from power, pressed the Powerbutton to empty the residual current and then i saw after a second flashing up the Graficcard LED's.

From then they flashed up every second again and i hear Soundcracklers everytime it happends, (while the PC is disconnected from Power).

As it seems i have interferences, ... some shield problem on House LAN.


> First i surrounded the Switch, ... connected the PC directly to the Network Dose and it was the same.

> I connected it to another dose from the other Room, ... the same.


It seemse, it's a shield problem in the lan distributor and it affects all 9 Lan Doses in the house, the 3 Switches and the 3 Accesspoints.


> I have those affections in every game, does not matter if Online or Offline, and this since years, because the Lan Cable is allways connected and it affects the entire System, even the behavior of Bots in a Game like Brink. (Instant Headshots etc.).


When i disconnect the Lan Cable it's gone and all games run smother.

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I have this since late 2014, when this Lan Distributor was installed.  Image BBCode test


When we renovated the house in 2017, (the LAN Distributor was surrounded and i used a direct connection for some weeks the Bf1942 Gameplay was so nice and then the guy came and said, ... there is some shield problem, he have to fix this, ... i should meanwhile shut down the PC. When he was finished, the Gameplay was fucked up again.


Just wait until it's fixed.

Meanwhile search warm cloths, ... i will come for you, ... all of you  Image BBCode test

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I shut down the PC now and make a short video of it.

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#2 2021-08-19 21:50:57

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Re: Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

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Ok, here's the video, made by futuristic iPhone 5.


The PC is off. I press the PowerSwitch to take the PC completely from Power and press the PowerButton from the PowerSupply to empty the residual current.

After some seconds it starts. (There are also soundcracklers every time the LED's flash, but you can't hear them allways. IPhone 5 SoundBug in videos.)

After a while i disconnect the Lan Cable and a few Moments later the LED's from Graficcard stop flashing.



https://youtu.be/p2BCVql08Dg


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#3 2021-08-20 02:07:17

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Re: Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

who still has an iphone 5 lol?

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#4 2021-08-20 03:16:43

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time to try wireless maybe? big_smile

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#5 2021-08-20 03:23:52

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You think that would help?

Even if there is a disturbance on House LAN, where the WIFI is at the end also connected?

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#6 2021-08-20 03:29:34

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im not relly sure, i havent seen anything like that before. but if you have some wifi adapter (or an laptop) lying around i guess it could be a quick and easy way to try and see what happens

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#7 2021-08-20 11:29:00

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Ofc. the disturbing on the PC would be away, but i guess this shielding problem affects also Online Playing.

I do not know it, but anyway. I let fix it, if they have time.

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#8 2021-08-26 17:50:03

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Ya, ... it's hard to play like this    smile


Beside the Inteferences/Shielding problem.


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#9 2021-08-26 22:54:38

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Re: Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

Are you playing on 4g? I get lag spikes on my 4g, teleports me back in time. Doesn't happen on decent cable connection.
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#10 2021-08-26 23:06:31

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I just remembered there is something called Power over Ethernet, its a longshot but could it be this perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet

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#11 2021-08-26 23:17:41

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Yep, receiver on the outside that gets its power through the "Data+Power" cable and the other end connects to the routers WAN port.

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#12 2021-08-27 12:51:03

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Re: Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

You unplugged the pc before doing this, right? Also, what happens if you disconnect the net card from the mainboard instead of disconnecting the wire from the net card?

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#13 2021-08-27 13:28:57

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I do not have Netcard... It's a Chip. Fix on Mobo.

But yes, you be worth a try.

But i don't think it makes a difference.

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(Just thought about what you said)

If the PC has no power it makes no difference if the LAN is disabled, because it the Mobo has anyway no power.

And if the PC is running, it makes no difference, if the LAN is disabled, because this interference comes over the shield protection, not the data cables... as far as i think. 

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POE does not affect the Data on Lan.

What i have is a interference, i guess due a defective Patch Box interface.

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#14 2021-08-27 17:27:12

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Re: Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

In general my question was aimed towards finding out if the LEDs are lit from transmission on the circuitry or transmission through air.
If what you say is correct then the LEDs should also be lit if you connect the cable to some ethernet device next to your casing, no?

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#15 2021-08-30 16:36:29

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It's the Network cable.

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#16 2021-08-30 18:52:21

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Re: Found out what is responsible for this sluggish Gameplay and Dusthits

I'm losing a bit in translation and not sure exactly why "shielding" is being cited here.  Since "shielded Ethernet' is also a thing, and almost never what you actually want or what your Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) equipment is designed for.

But "network lights can continue to flash even with the computer turned off, and do not stop until I unplug the Ethernet cable" is not entirely uncommon, depending upon the computer.  Hardware with Intel AMT, Intel vPro or other out of band management specifically do keep the network enabled, because the machine is still connecting and responding to management.  No idea whether than actually applies to the machine in question, of course.

Not all PoE hubs are "active" in that they would be attempting to "detect" whether a PoE device is actually present.  There are standards in place allowing that a PoE hub the ability to make this detection, and standards on the Ethernet port side such that they "shouldn't" have adverse effect from the presence of PoE.  Existence of these things doesn't guarantee it's actually present in your specific devices, or perhaps is just broken / malfunctioning if the computer is being connected to a PoE-enabled port.

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#17 2021-08-30 20:16:02

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You mean WOL. That is not activated and has nothing to do with this.

Why the Graficcard should get impulses when the PC is completely disconnected from Power.

The Switch is has no Poe abilities.

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#18 2021-08-31 10:45:12

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It's the first time you mention that the PC is completely disconnected from power which is a very relevant piece of information.
It seemed logical but wasn't clear from the video that you were showing which is why I asked in my first post whether you unplugged it.

I still think you should make a test like I suggested to determine if it's really interference through air or if it's actually interference on the hardware.
Keep the pc unplugged, connect the ethernet wire to an ethernet device next to the pc, could be a switch, hub or even a laptop or another pc.

If the leds continue to light up from this setup, only then you can be sure it's interfering through air. Otherwise a hardware malfunction is much more
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#19 2021-08-31 11:08:31

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I wrote it in the first post smile


Also nochmals.

Der PC ist herunter gefahren, wird vom Strom genommen, der Power Switch wird gedrückt, um den Reststrom zu entleeren.

Ab da beginnen im Sekundentakt die Grafikkarten LED's zu blinken.

Ziehe ich nun das Netzwerkkabel ab und entleere nochmals den Reststrom, gehen die LED's aus. Ohne entleeren dauert es einfach eine Weile.

Es sind noch andere PC's im Raum, die ja auch am Netzwerk angeschlossen sind.

Aber ja, Du hast schon recht. Man muss das im Ausschlussverfahren ausloten.

Das Problem, es sind 9 Netzwerkdosen im Haus, mindestens 3 Switches, und 2 Accesspoints + noch Wlan Verstärker.

Das Problem wird eine Patchbox sein, die nämlich im 2014/2015 installiert wurde.  (Provisorium)

Da der eine Port mit Netzwerk nicht funktionierte, wurde da das TelefonKabel durchgeschlauft.

Ca. 2017 benötigte es dann mehr Anschlüsse, und da wurde dann dieser Port auch für Netzwerk genutzt.

Ist halt ein bisschen mühsam, das ganze aufzusplitten, da im 2017 der Elektriker anstatt ne richtig grosse Dose in die Wand gepflastert, ca. 40x60x30, eher grösser, ne kleinere montiert hat, da er meinte, die Verteilung sei im unteren Stock.

Ich hab es denen damals gesagt, dass das total Mumpiz ist, da man dort zukünftig nicht richtig hinkommt, weil da nun ein Schrank steht und die Verteilung nun nur durch den fest montierten Schrank seitlich zugängig ist.

Ist eine Sissifussarbeit.  Deshalb lass ich auch gleich den Telematiker kommen, anstatt den Elektriker.

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Für mich wäre erstmal entscheidend zu verstehen, über welches Medium die LEDs aktiv werden, weil die können sowohl über Wellen durch die Luft aktiviert werden, als auch über einen Strom auf ihrem Schaltkreis.
Die Kabelisolierung ist halt eigentlich dafür da, um 'Übetragung durch die Luft' beidseitig zu unterbinden. Also sowohl vom Kabel auf die Umgebung als auch von der Umgebung auf das Kabel.

Wenn das Kabel verbunden ist und dann trotzdem ein Ministrom auf dem Mainboard bzw. den LEDs anliegt ist das für mich eher auf einen Abschirmungsfehler bei der PC-Hardware zurückzuführen als auf ein Problem bei der Abschirmung des Kabels.

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#21 2021-08-31 13:12:17

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Der PC ist nicht am Stromnetz, somit kann der auch nicht abgeschirmt, geerdet sein.

Da ja das ganze erst passiert, wenn ohne Strom das Netzwerkkabel eingesteckt ist.

Wenn da irgendwo ein Kurzschluss wäre, würd's ja den PC beim Einschalten abfackeln.

Da ist einfach ein Kriechstrom auf dem Netzwerkkabel, wahrscheinlich eben verursacht durch den fehlerhaften Port in der PatchBox.

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Ich werde Deinen Tipps gerne nachgehen.

Ich check mal, ob ich am anderen PC auch LED's an der Grafikkarte habe und schaue dann mal, ob's da auch passiert.

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Hmm... Am anderen PC hab ich das nicht.

Da habe ich nochmal am besagten PC getestet.

Ohne Netzwerkkabel kamen nun die Impulse auch.

Da hab ich die Steckerleiste für diesen PC umgangen, dasselbe.

Einzelne Kabel abgesteckt, dasselbe, ... Arghh!

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Komisch ist aber, dass beim ersten Mal diese Kriechströme verschwanden, als ich das Netzwerkkabel abgesteckt hatte.

Mir ist gerade aufgefallen, dass hier viel zu viele Kabel rumhängen und diverse Steckerleisten im Einsatz sind.

Das zu finden, wird nicht einfach sein.

Am einfachsten wäre es wohl, den PC nackt wohin zu stellen, und eines nach dem anderen einzustecken.

Ok, das ist mit etwas Aufwand verbunden.

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#23 2021-08-31 13:59:30

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Ich sehe halt nicht, wie der Strom vom Netzwerkkabel bis an die LEDs kommen soll. Da sollten Transistoren dazwischen liegen, die Strom vom Netzwerkchip nur durchlassen, wenn der PC Strom hat...

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#24 2021-08-31 14:03:08

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Ja, eigentlich schon.

Hab den PC nun an einen anderen Platz gestellt, ... alle Kabel abgenommen, und da tritt der Scheiss auch auf tongue

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Etwas am PC selbst? Oder es entlädt den Reststrom nicht richtig. Denn nach einer Weile verschwindet das Symptom.

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Eigentlich muss es mit dem PC selbst etwas zu tun haben, da das ja an den anderen nicht auftritt. Die hängen am selben Stromkreis und am selben Netzwerk.

Komisch einfach, dass hie und da sowas auftritt.


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Erst ein paar Tage her.  Meistens hält es sich aber in Grenzen und auf dem LAN sind 50- 100 Ping Spikes und nicht 1000, ok, 600+ smile.

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#25 2021-08-31 14:20:24

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Weiße LEDs speichern oft selbst etwas Energie in ihrer Phosphorschicht, die kannst du nicht über einen Schalter einfach entleeren sondern das braucht einfach ein bisschen Zeit.
Das kann manchmal sogar ein paar Minuten dauern. Glaube nicht, dass das etwas mit deinen Ping Spikes zu tun hat.

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#26 2021-10-15 05:47:59

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Did anyone solve this?
Process of elimination...
Take your computer and network cable to a friends house and try it on their network, if you still have the problem try his network cable, still have the problem, boot to CMOS and disable on-board Lan and Buy and install a network card or USB Lan card.
If your computer works fine at your friends house go home and plug into your Modem exclusively (no other devices or switches). if good then start plugging in switches and devices one at a time till it fails again and that will be the problem.
Or  If you still have the problem then unplug the modem from the internet (just a power cord and the network cable attached to your computer), still have the problem the replace the modem, if good then the outside line into the modem is bad.
Bad Modem or outside line are the providers problem, test it before they leave, make them prove it's fixed.

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#27 2021-10-15 10:34:07

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It came out some worker drilled into the cable smile

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#28 2021-10-15 11:23:41

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It came out some worker drilled into the cable smile

But i guess, (my bad), the problem with the framedrops in many games was a deleted entry in the Windows Startmanager.

It was a Timer Problem.

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Arkos wrote:

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It came out some worker drilled into the cable smile

But i guess, (my bad), the problem with the framedrops in many games was a deleted entry in the Windows Startmanager.

It was a Timer Problem.

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Where and how u fixed this?

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