modded bots on RtR+SW server

Paul Baumer · 2021-09-04 22:08:35

Lately the experience on my favourite server became terrible, players started leaving because they don't enjoy the game anymore. In fact server's population was going down drastically in last months while main server was full most of the time. All players compain on bots and their capacity to give instant headshots from whatever distance, stealing all the vehicles from players via teleport, instantly shooting your plane with MG when you are above the fog, agressively pushing on all maps and apparently using aimbot. I see regular players rage quitting because the damn bots insta hs them every time they spawn.

Bot's presence is justified by low numbers of players. Fine; we need bots when real players are too few, but why modding them to a point where they run aggressively with aimbot and own everyone on server? Why not keep those bots as they were supposed to be and then disable them as soon as there are enough players for a fun game? We tried disabling bots on weekends evenings, it worked great. All players were giving us positive feedbacks. Now this mod is killing the server and we often cant get enough players for bots to be disabled.

Tuia, please reset these bots from all their modifications. Add a delay for them to spawn so players can take some vehicles too. Disable them automatically when number of players is big enough. Please, don't let RtR+SW die and do what is much needed now.

Paul Baumer and RtR+SW players&admins

▼players complaining about bots

23/05/2021 12:08:42 : # [Global] Ludwig van Beethoven: our bots are soooo stpuid
23/05/2021 12:09:00 : # [Global] the pickle pounder: they take all the vehicles
26/05/2021 22:00:00 : # [Global] StefBaustelic: lol this fkn bots
29/05/2021 12:46:36 : # [Global] Shpyao Voyp: damn bots lol
29/05/2021 18:48:43 : # [Global] Sam Zamboni: love bots instant reactio time
29/05/2021 22:15:28 : # [Global] NoobExterminator: can we get rid of te bots
29/05/2021 22:15:31 : # [Global] NoobExterminator: they steal my armor
1/06/2021 21:47:23 : # [Global] [2nd SS] arijevac: hahaha bot is leader allied team
08/06/2021 19:19:47 : # [Global] lolbster: freakin bot stole my goblin
08/06/2021 22:52:15 : # [Global] Thomos the Tank: some bot beat me to it
10/06/2021 18:20:27 : # [Global] AnotherOne: somehow the bot skill level is above impossible
10/06/2021 18:41:54 : # [Global] AnotherOne: these bots rofl
10/06/2021 18:41:59 : # [Global] AnotherOne: crazy good
10/06/2021 21:34:17 : # [Global] CascoNero: fukn bots
18/06/2021 20:49:43 : # [Global] =[UF]= HofNerd: Nooo! The bots are back
18/06/2021 20:53:06 : # [Global] Killer_KahnDavey: freakin bots
18/06/2021 20:55:06 : # [Global] =[UF]= HofNerd: teamkilled by bot
18/06/2021 20:56:13 : # [Global] Killer_KahnDavey: i hate bots tat steal taks
19/06/2021 13:17:30 : # [Global] Matej: fukin bot
19/06/2021 19:06:07 : # [Global] Mr. Bob Dobalina: ugh, bots, what a buzz kill
19/06/2021 23:20:45 : # [Global] Rainman: The stupid bot pilot
19/06/2021 23:21:00 : # [Global] hyper: bot should be modded not to take vehicles
20/06/2021 18:22:08 : # [Global] watermelon: DISABLE BOTS?
20/06/2021 19:40:25 : # [Global] Ludwig van Beethoven: damn bot
20/06/2021 19:40:40 : # [Global] Ludwig van Beethoven: unfair respawn of bots
21/06/2021 22:30:30 : # [Global] Jagger: fuckin bots
21/06/2021 22:30:42 : # [Global] Jagger: take second shooter
21/06/2021 22:37:16 : # [Global] CobraKai: fking bot!
21/06/2021 22:40:46 : # [Global] Jagger: kill fuckin bots pls
21/06/2021 23:44:59 : # [Global] Sgt.: yep, and bots taking planes and vehicles too
21/06/2021 23:45:14 : # [Global] Sgt.: also server setting, they should change that
22/06/2021 22:00:52 : # [Global] renata: your bots are better than my players
26/06/2021 23:54:17 : # [Global] Spazimodo: the bots here are expeet marksmen
27/06/2021 14:07:53 : # [Global] Al Bundy: why can bots shot throug wals?!
27/06/2021 14:08:08 : # [Global] Al Bundy: invisble bots
27/06/2021 14:46:34 : # [Global] Thomos the Tank: bots take them , then go sightseeing
28/06/2021 15:48:00 : # [Global] Zippy: ok i am leaving
28/06/2021 15:48:09 : # [Global] Zippy: enjoy your gam with bots
29/06/2021 19:57:09 : # [Global] tombu: bots turn off aimbots
30/06/2021 20:06:19 : # [Global] tombu: damn those bots really be having aimbots
01/07/2021 00:25:59 : # [Global] inVictus|RaketenHorst: these bots huh?
01/07/2021 16:04:31 : # [Global] Loggy: ]fuc*ing botd
01/07/2021 21:06:26 : # [Global] W.W.: since from bots are so strong?
01/07/2021 21:45:12 : # [Global] W.W.: ma vaffanculo va
01/07/2021 21:45:42 : # [Global] W.W.: ero quasi al castello...bot di
02/07/2021 20:54:50 : # [Global] CivillianCasualty: stupit bots
03/07/2021 11:52:58 : # [Global] Viking: And some bots are real hardcore
04/07/2021 12:55:46 : # [Global] DeadKennedy: fckin boys
04/07/2021 12:55:51 : # [Global] DeadKennedy: bots
04/07/2021 23:43:10 : # [Global] BlackBomb_115: stupid bots
04/07/2021 23:43:34 : # [Global] renata: i heard only stupid people gets killed by bots
04/07/2021 23:44:13 : # [Global] BlackBomb_115: you mean by being hit by a direct shot in a plane
04/07/2021 23:44:31 : # [Global] renata: sure
04/07/2021 23:44:52 : # [Global] renata: they always hit plane directly
05/07/2021 20:02:26 : # [Global] Jack900: no bots pls
05/07/2021 21:51:35 : # [Global] VardaTruffle: verdammte bots
05/07/2021 21:52:05 : # [Global] Rainman: Remove them?
05/07/2021 21:52:17 : # [Global] VardaTruffle: if possible
05/07/2021 21:52:35 : # [Global] Rainman: If all agree with that
05/07/2021 21:52:35 : # [Global] W.W.: yes
05/07/2021 21:53:01 : # [Global] dreaming cat: mb y
06/07/2021 23:24:44 : # [Axis] Spazimodo: killed by bots. Tragic
11/07/2021 00:53:29 : # [Axis] amigo[PL]: stupid bots
14/07/2021 22:51:35 : # [Global] W.W.: fuking bots
14/07/2021 22:51:41 : # [Global] W.W.: stealing veichles
17/07/2021 15:06:53 : # [Axis] Alfred Newcastle: GODDAMN BOTS
18/07/2021 18:04:35 : # [Global] Alfred Newcastle: without bots this game is so funny
18/07/2021 18:32:28 : # [Global] =[UF]= HofNerd: the bots are so scary sometimes
22/07/2021 20:38:03 : # [Global] tombu: im leaving now, have fun killing bots xx
25/07/2021 14:34:32 : # [Global] french marine: can we play without bots

Rainman · 2021-09-04 22:44:38

I agree with you Paul. I don't like bots at all

Arkos · 2021-09-05 01:17:10

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Damn bots

I have no problems with them, until they just stand around.

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Btw. If the AC-47 would be replaced with the Goblin in Mimoceques, the allies bots would jump inside.

Was funny, ... at once all were getting legs and jumped in when i drove a bit backward with AC-47 last time i played there.

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Btw. You have just to clean the Map like you roll up a carpet. And then they will not spawn everywhere.

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Last edited by Arkos (2021-09-05 01:18:38)

Cartmanez · 2021-09-07 12:05:20

Yeah, not enjoying the crazy bots lately.. we could use with some de-modding or whatever. We dont want to see less players in our beloved little server. please fix it

Millerke · 2021-09-07 14:32:58

Well, if the bots became much more aggressive, i think the "hardcore" mode should be change.
I think the bots are good for the average players to get points and fun by killing them, or a good warming up before "pro" players join.

I think that the bot AI modding is good, but for me, modding lightly the map is better, like vehicle spawns or starting flag options.
But that is just Mille.

Last edited by Millerke (2021-09-07 14:35:10)

Black Mamba · 2021-09-07 16:00:40

Instead of modding them, I would get rid of them completely. When I still played this game, I very rarely played in the SiMPLE | RTR + SW server because of the bots. I only went there when the map was Raid on Agheila, where bots are absent.

I would suggest restricting the map rotation for this server to population building maps. Only pick maps you know will attract a healthy population, then maintain that population by setting the appropriate maps in the rotation.

Raid on Agheila is a population building map. You can set the next map to Hellendoorn, then Cassino, etc. It all depends on which maps gather the most players. With the server statistics CSV file, you can conduct analyses to figure out which maps have the highest player numbers. I can actually do this if you want.

Last edited by Black Mamba (2021-09-07 16:02:09)

DirtyDiana · 2021-09-07 22:06:59

I don´t mind the bots.But i don´t play regularly as before.

Paul Baumer · 2021-09-08 19:00:01

Millerke wrote:

Well, if the bots became much more aggressive, i think the "hardcore" mode should be change.
I think the bots are good for the average players to get points and fun by killing them, or a good warming up before "pro" players join

Exactly, that's why need to make bots easier instead of making them hardcore, and disable them as soon as enough players are on server. The server is for players, not for bots. If bots are making players leave then we are doing something wrong..

Black Mamba wrote:

Instead of modding them, I would get rid of them completely. When I still played this game, I very rarely played in the SiMPLE | RTR + SW server because of the bots. I only went there when the map was Raid on Agheila, where bots are absent..

At this point it's hard to disable them completely but doing it gradually might just work out with certain effort and work from us and with Tuia's support. Sadly Raid on Agheila map is constantly missing from the rotation and it causes players leaving too; it's indeed a key map but we cant add it permanently except for short time. Hope Tuia fixes it asap. Thanks for your suggestions, we should make a good use of them.

DirtyDiana wrote:

I don´t mind the bots.But i don´t play regularly as before.

Well if you checked the server over the last 2-3 months, the bots would surely surpise you. Lately they were aggressive like never before, as it can be also seen in the video.

NZKMT · 2021-09-10 12:25:09

Yes, in your opinion. Sure, you can handle it, but many players also appreciate the server, because at times there are no super strong players. The standard bots are more suitable i guess.

deeko · 2021-09-10 12:35:21

Ben Dover

Cartmanez · 2021-09-10 17:02:29

Ben d-Mi Ouver is superior

jorgen · 2021-09-10 17:33:43

sverger till odd æven hans hugo
å dæven han sug ho

Paul Baumer · 2021-09-12 23:29:34

RtR+SW bots > simon&deeko

BangBangOw · 2021-09-13 06:59:53

Take out the bots abilities to “prone”, and their ability to target aircraft.

Makes it much more fun.

They are more active when they cannot lay down, the snipers aren’t insta kill anymore.

Also set the skill at 73% after taking out prone and the anti air abilities from tanks. Makes them the best yet.

Paul Baumer · 2021-09-14 18:01:57

Thanks a lot for your suggestions, it's really worth to try and can improve a lot the current situation. Before doing that though I think it's really necessary to reset the bots from all the previous mods; God only knows which mods were put there troughout the years because bots do not even respond to AI level parameters configuration in bfrm, while in past they used to. Neither they do with in-game radio commands like "Bail out" or "Wait!"
Full reset will solve most of the problems; then doing what you suggested would certainly make game more fun, I like that. Plus a delay for bots to spawn or forbid them to take some vehicles. Minimum modifications, balanced bots, fun game. Hope Tuia fixes it asap.

Black Mamba · 2021-09-14 18:07:04

BangBangOw wrote:

Take out the bots abilities to “prone”, and their ability to target aircraft.
Makes it much more fun.
They are more active when they cannot lay down, the snipers aren’t insta kill anymore.
Also set the skill at 73% after taking out prone and the anti air abilities from tanks. Makes them the best yet.

Removing the ability for bots to prone would mean doing the same for humans, and that's a client-side fix unlike the other things you mentioned in your posts, meaning clients would have to download the no-prone patch.

RaketenHorst · 2021-09-14 20:59:30

1. That the bots take over the vehicles because they start the game before the players is not good. On some maps you are not able to leave the base for minutes. that we lose players as a result is understandable.
2. the bots chase you when you are the last player and they hit you from impossible distances.
3. At times the bots hardly leave any room to move at all.

there are certainly more points but these are the main reasons why we are losing more and more players.

can you still remember the screenshots 2 years ago? I was so proud that after so many years we finally managed to have the server completely full for several weeks. This has never happened before. the admin team has always tried to make each other nice and funny. RaketenHorst, Paul Baumer and Anna took great care of other people's problems. this was very much appreciated by many players. finally we had a head for other important things. the server started well and we were finally able to think about the reinforcement in our admin area and we were not disappointed.

I would like to thank our admin team and specially ...

"Millerke" has the necessary knowledge and also the interest to be able to solve the map and bots problems. a great guy with whom everyone has a good time. guys, he's interested that we can solve problems. give him the chance to prove it. we will advise and try out every step.

"Rainman" is a great guy that you have to love. he constantly surprises his teammates with his knife. and you know what? many then take part. there is a lot of laughter. that shows me and the server that he deserves to have a little more leeway on the server.

then we have a lady in our group. her name is "Cartman". she is very refreshing with her pleasant way of dealing with people and she damn dangerous. she is the next generation. wait it out. there is a devil in her. i think if she can find the time she will make a name for herself in the BF-League. she is also able to attract the crowds. small groups of enemies are always formed around Cartman. she's just too good.

then we have our spanish friend named "Zwarrior". he is a nice guy with a vision that you need as an admin. he also makes everyone laugh and still remains professional in his actions. I would also count him privately in my circle of friends if it were possible.

I just want to tell you all that we have invested a lot of time and energy in RtR+SW server. friendships developed among the players. it was a popular meeting place where you had a good time. everything is different now.

tuia ... please give us the necessary resources to bring the server back to life. give us a week to adjust the necessary things. then everyone is happy again ...

Zwarrior · 2021-09-15 15:29:52

make Rtr+SW great again

wasabi · 2021-09-15 19:03:06

Bots are a necessary evil for servers outside of the Simple main server simply due to population. Moon for example simply doesn’t have the population to remove bots entirely. Same with TGE. I imagine similar story at Simple RTR, there are periods of 2-8 population which makes it difficult to sustain without bots.

The compromise we have made is to use a script to automatically turn off the bots once the server reaches a certain population (this threshold is map dependent and configurable). This allows the server to have bots when population is low-medium and not have them get in the way of players when there is a good population. Similarly, we increase the number of bots during the US overnight hours when the server normally sits at below 10 players.

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