BF-League matches

nämeless · 2020-09-07 00:07:33

Sorry, I mistake UF with PHX. Of course, I meant PHX.

Here is the video of today's clan war, the last game of this season for us. The next season is soon and you can join UF, for example, or Killer's team to participate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGMI26hZBo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhiNNbq3unk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDmq72qGEU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiRVNQ0914

Volturi · 2020-09-07 01:05:46

nämeless wrote:

Sorry, I mistake UF with PHX. Of course, I meant PHX.
Here is the video of today's clan war, the last game of this season for us. The next season is soon and you can join UF, for example, or Killer's team to participate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGMI26hZBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhiNNbq3unk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDmq72qGEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiRVNQ0914

Was a fun game, GGWP UF.

seventy · 2020-09-07 01:29:56

Nice games all,
Video #4 lolex thumbnail

nämeless · 2020-09-07 09:28:36

Volturi wrote:

nämeless wrote:
Sorry, I mistake UF with PHX. Of course, I meant PHX.
Here is the video of today's clan war, the last game of this season for us. The next season is soon and you can join UF, for example, or Killer's team to participate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGMI26hZBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhiNNbq3unk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDmq72qGEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiRVNQ0914
Was a fun game, GGWP UF.

Just checked the records. The second round of Kurskaya Duga was awful for us. We let the enemy steal two of our tanks: P4 and Tiger and we also couldn't get the barn flag for a long long time.

Volturi · 2020-09-07 13:04:55

nämeless wrote:

Volturi wrote:
nämeless wrote:
Sorry, I mistake UF with PHX. Of course, I meant PHX.
Here is the video of today's clan war, the last game of this season for us. The next season is soon and you can join UF, for example, or Killer's team to participate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGMI26hZBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhiNNbq3unk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRDmq72qGEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiRVNQ0914
Was a fun game, GGWP UF.
Just checked the records. The second round of Kurskaya Duga was awful for us. We let the enemy steal two of our tanks: P4 and Tiger and we also couldn't get the barn flag for a long long time.

The moment you saw the bazooker behind you in forager lol

KarlsoN · 2020-09-07 13:28:04

Volturi wrote:

The moment you saw the bazooker behind you in forager lol

which time?

nameless wrote:

Just checked the records. The second round of Kurskaya Duga was awful for us. We let the enemy steal two of our tanks: P4 and Tiger and we also couldn't get the barn flag for a long long time.

Yes, we need to investigate what happend at barn house

nämeless · 2020-09-08 11:07:34

Volturi wrote:

nämeless wrote:
Volturi wrote:
Was a fun game, GGWP UF.
Just checked the records. The second round of Kurskaya Duga was awful for us. We let the enemy steal two of our tanks: P4 and Tiger and we also couldn't get the barn flag for a long long time.
The moment you saw the bazooker behind you in forager lol

These moments make people think I'm using cheats. Last time UF|ROMIK called me ****** and asked to publish the videos from Korsun because I killed him twice this way when he was behind me with "pizza".

KarlsoN wrote:

Volturi wrote:
The moment you saw the bazooker behind you in forager lol
which time?

I think it's 12:20 of the second round of Forager.

Black Mamba · 2020-09-08 14:37:30

Aren't you guys bored of playing on these crappy memomaps?

nämeless · 2020-09-08 17:13:16

Never getting bored. These games are always the good ending of a weekend.

RaketenHorst · 2020-09-08 18:40:48

yes and no .. every now and then other maps would also be interesting although the memomaps get more interesting over time.

Volturi · 2020-09-08 19:04:18

Black Mamba wrote:

Aren't you guys bored of playing on these crappy memomaps?

I find them interesting to be honest. Playing vanilla maps all the time makes me bored, different maps should be played as we did in this season.

KarlsoN · 2020-09-08 19:24:57

Volturi wrote:

Playing vanilla maps all the time makes me bored, different maps should be played as we did in this season.

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Vanilla maps you can play on public, for clanwars i would prefer something unusual

Black Mamba · 2020-09-09 01:45:55

Why hasn’t BF League explored the expansion maps? They’re a great alternative to the memo maps and most maps are well balanced.

dary · 2020-09-09 11:57:15

KarlsoN wrote:

Volturi wrote:
Playing vanilla maps all the time makes me bored, different maps should be played as we did in this season.
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Vanilla maps you can play on public, for clanwars i would prefer something unusual

Public and clanwars is not the same... on public are the maps modded as well, hence it is a totally different gameplay.
Unusual is fine, but most memo maps suck strategically. Great Pursiut is a great map and Forrager is fine too tho.

dary · 2020-09-09 12:02:04

Volturi wrote:

Black Mamba wrote:
Aren't you guys bored of playing on these crappy memomaps?
I find them interesting to be honest. Playing vanilla maps all the time makes me bored, different maps should be played as we did in this season.

Football should also be boring then, because it is always the same green pitch.
From a strategic point of view there are so many possibilities, that every game is different. Maybe we should allow basecamping as in the good old days, to have a bit more diversity in the gameplay.

KarlsoN · 2020-09-09 12:57:34

dary wrote:

Unusual is fine, but most memo maps suck strategically. Great Pursiut is a great map and Forrager is fine too tho.

i would say there is more chances for lowskilled team to get points on custom map.
We played 2 times draw vs you this season just because of good map pick and tactics. Im almost sure we will have less chances on classic maps

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dary · 2020-09-09 14:41:36

Agree, you tactic was good on Hells Highway.
You have a strong team and I am sure you can also win on vanilla maps.
I think vanilla and a few memo maps should be fine for next season. Thinking about to create a balanced map in BF, or maybe together if someone is interested.

Black Mamba · 2020-09-09 16:03:56

dary wrote:

Agree, you tactic was good on Hells Highway.
You have a strong team and I am sure you can also win on vanilla maps.
I think vanilla and a few memo maps should be fine for next season. Thinking about to create a balanced map in BF, or maybe together if someone is interested.

That’s nice, what kind of map would you like to make?

nämeless · 2020-09-09 16:20:41

It doesn't matter. If the map is not balanced and if you cannot get advantages from one side, you will get them playing another side. The classic Market Garden is a typical example of such map.

dary · 2020-09-10 09:59:08

Black Mamba wrote:

dary wrote:
Agree, you tactic was good on Hells Highway.
You have a strong team and I am sure you can also win on vanilla maps.
I think vanilla and a few memo maps should be fine for next season. Thinking about to create a balanced map in BF, or maybe together if someone is interested.
That’s nice, what kind of map would you like to make?

A map like Bulge or a smaller map like Kharkov with planes and tanks. I'll ping you.

nämeless · 2020-10-19 00:50:54

This is the first League match this season. DrStrange said afterwards on Simple that I was using cheats. Whatever, it wasn't easy for us and the victory is well-deserved.

P.S. There are only 6 teams remain because UF decided to quit. The reason is far-fetched, I think. They say they are leaving because they have no good pilots. In their situation I'd play only infantry and tank maps in the beginning of the season, trying to get at least two points from every match, and spend the time seeking for a new pilot or two. Also, good luck for Tamplier. Hope they can find themselves again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmH-T1WANFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HakScYkJHmE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irK36smd5UE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqUWvpX2Aaw

Black Mamba · 2020-10-19 05:45:30

I'm pretty sure a fair amount of BF-League players are blatant cheaters. It is expected when there is no solid anticheat program to catch them.

Volturi · 2020-10-19 13:14:30

nämeless wrote:

This is the first League match this season. DrStrange said afterwards on Simple that I was using cheats. Whatever, it wasn't easy for us and the victory is well-deserved.
P.S. There are only 6 teams remain because UF decided to quit. The reason is far-fetched, I think. They say they are leaving because they have no good pilots. In their situation I'd play only infantry and tank maps in the beginning of the season, trying to get at least two points from every match, and spend the time seeking for a new pilot or two. Also, good luck for Tamplier. Hope they can find themselves again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmH-T1WANFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HakScYkJHmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irK36smd5UE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqUWvpX2Aaw

Good job last night, deserved win!

Volturi · 2020-10-19 13:23:03

Battleaxe 2nd round 6.40, Viita bombing Name's plane hahaha, it was legendary.

Sommarel · 2020-10-19 14:32:44

Nice videos Nameless. BmC used their artillery pretty efficiently on Battleaxe. Congratz and well played for both teams.

Black Mamba · 2020-10-19 17:55:54

It's funny that BmC has more tickets, yet still lost the match. In any professional sport you look at, this doesn't make any sense.

It's like in Basketball, team A wins more quarters than team B, yet still finishes the match with less points than team B. Following BF-League rules, team A wins the match. Number of rounds won should be used as a tie breaker only when the number of tickets on both sides are the same, otherwise highest number of tickets win.

Last edited by Black Mamba (2020-10-19 18:19:42)

Viitapiru · 2020-10-19 19:03:43

Ye, that would definitely work if there was only 1 map in mappool. Think.

Black Mamba · 2020-10-19 19:42:06

Viitapiru wrote:

Ye, that would definitely work if there was only 1 map in mappool. Think.

I know that dumbass. Your score system doesn't work, and doesn't make any sense. Open your eyes and wake up.

If one team wins one round on the first map, 200 tickets to 0, but loses all the other rounds on the first and second maps 5 tickets to 0, that gives the team with only 15 tickets a victory, even though the final score is 200 - 15. So the team with 15 tickets wins 3 - 2. Does that make any sense to you? I don't think so.

Viitapiru · 2020-10-19 19:50:49

So if the first team crushes second team on market garden 200-0 as allies and then loses their axis round by 5 tickets. Then goes on to lose two bulge rounds by five tickets. Well, gg team 2 I'd say.

Since you like sport comparisons: imagine teams playing 1 match of ice hockey first and then 1 match of basketball. Would you just sum up the number of scored goals in these two different sports to determine the winner?

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Black Mamba · 2020-10-19 20:10:09

Viitapiru wrote:

So if the first team crushes second team on market garden 200-0 as allies and then loses their axis round by 5 tickets. Then goes on to lose two bulge rounds by five tickets. Well, gg team 2 I'd say.
Since you like sport comparisons: imagine teams playing 1 match of ice hockey first and then 1 match of basketball. Would you count the scores or match results?

The only measure one should use to determine the victor in these matches, is the number of tickets. You would get far less draws that way, rather than placing the number of rounds above the number of tickets. I say, use only the number of rounds won as a TIEBREAKER, when the number of tickets is equal, which by the way almost never happens.

Yes not all the maps are the same, some are harder to win. Your example illustrates that. But for me, that's too bad, the second team had less tickets overall, so they lose. You have to look at the match as a whole, not round by round or map by map. Both sides had the opportunity to crush the other with the same weapons and vehicles, but team A did a better job at that. Furthermore, team A almost bled team B to 0 in the subsequent rounds, so overall, they did a better job, even though they lost the rest of the rounds.

Let's use another example. Let's say I have a clan of American/Canadian players, and I want to play in BF-League. Let's say BF-League agrees to have my team in the league, knowing the ping difference, and all the other clans, by some kind of miracle, agree to the 50-50 rule, where one map is played in my clan's American server, and the other in the European server. Using the current BF-League score system, we can almost be certain that all my clan's matches will end up being a draw, since obviously we will win our map on our server with the ping advantage, and lose the other map with the high ping on the European server. In that example, it makes sense to use the number of tickets to determine the winner, and not the number of rounds, since that way, the side that used its ping advantage better on his home server will have the highest number of tickets, therefore winning the match, even though technically the match is a draw.

So yeah, the score system needs an update.

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