'Close to 20' dead in Connecticut school shooting

joint · 2012-12-17 13:11:14

RamYam wrote:

First off all - guns are bad, only purpose of it is to be able to kill someone.

two sides of the coin:you can kill the killer before he finish to kill all 20 ppl

Zody · 2012-12-17 13:32:53

Guys and girls.

nämeless wrote:

Another culture, another thinking to being.

Sunshine · 2012-12-17 13:33:24

RamYam wrote:

First off all - guns are bad, only purpose of it is to be able to kill someone. Facts - namleess put table of nr.of guns, question - sunshine, do you think those civil killings would happen if USA was at the bottom of that table or not on it at all? While you drive a car under alcohol u can kill also, but its much harder to execute bunch of small kids in school using a car.
I think that USA will never or hardly get rid of firearms, its their culture to own a gun (ffs its in their constitution) and i think profits are still much higher than costs of those misfortunate "events". But then again, things can change...

"Guns are bad" is your opinion. We don't use them to kill people. We use them to defend our property, and if need be, our life. It's nice like we go out hunting for people FFS. I "own" 3 guns (technically my dad bought them but they are mine ). I have never once used it against a person. But if that day comes, I will use it.

nämeless · 2012-12-17 13:43:56

Zody wrote:

Guys and girls.
nämeless wrote:
Another culture, another thinking to being.

I still don't know who is Sunshine by his/her photos: a boy or a girl. I kid you not.

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Sunshine · 2012-12-17 14:04:53

nämeless wrote:

Zody wrote:
Guys and girls.
nämeless wrote:
Another culture, another thinking to being.
I still don't know who is Sunshine by his/her photos: a boy or a girl. I kid you not.

I'm a female, but does that really matter? No. It's irrelevant.

nämeless · 2012-12-17 14:28:14

Whatever you want, just don't sue me.

Denny · 2012-12-17 14:31:13

why the heck you need 3 guns to defend yourselves..
and i think no women should carry a gun, like no man should carry make up and stuff, i surely would not like to marry us girl lol

its the way u guys think in us, u need guns for self protection, it must be a cruel world there then...

Zatoichi · 2012-12-17 14:42:25

Its about how people who arent fit to handle guns, get to them, they cause more death on innocent bystanders more than any benefit guns provide with laws as they are, you just dont get it

it dosent click in your head why people cannot be trusted with weapons designed to kill so easily
people need their piece of mind, and your views on guns and gun laws is just anti progressive to making streets and community's safer

its selfish really to think things as they are function enough and are not to blame for the fact that its too easy to steal guns and misuse them, moron

RamYam · 2012-12-17 21:03:16

sunshine, you have 3 pieces of firearms and could use it against person? i can not understand that u would take a life just like that. when you go out with friends, do you carry arms?

Denny · 2012-12-17 21:05:57

and btw girls can use elektro shocker instead carrying gun..
and i heard on tv today that killers mom was preparing for doomsday, she was buying food supply etc and had 6 pieces of guns?

RamYam · 2012-12-17 21:06:15

joint wrote:

RamYam wrote:
First off all - guns are bad, only purpose of it is to be able to kill someone.
two sides of the coin:you can kill the killer before he finish to kill all 20 ppl

it is the question of chicken and egg - which came first

if arms are not so easy to get, killer would not probably have chance to be killer

Sunshine · 2012-12-17 21:52:36

RamYam wrote:

sunshine, you have 3 pieces of firearms and could use it against person? i can not understand that u would take a life just like that. when you go out with friends, do you carry arms?

I don't plan on using them against anyone. I have a pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle. They are primarily for skeet shooting and hunting. I'm not old enough to have a carry permit, so I don't carry when I'm just out with people. I have a knife and pepper spray though

Denny · 2012-12-17 23:59:05

i just read some maniac killed 22 people in china also (

Zatoichi · 2012-12-18 00:45:07

So the skitzophrenic mother who's overly religious home schools and feeds her son psychotic nonsense,
they say lots of moms are like that, sweet people, cause they seem that way at face value, yet meanwhile, are severely mentally ill

*####*|Ldr.|1614 · 2012-12-18 03:24:13

Sunshine wrote:

I don't plan on using them against anyone. I have a pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle. They are primarily for skeet shooting and hunting. I'm not old enough to have a carry permit, so I don't carry when I'm just out with people. I have a knife and pepper spray though

Hi Sunshine I am from the usa aswell.
What do you hunt for?

nämeless · 2012-12-18 08:37:49

Sunshine wrote:

I have a pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle.

The survival kit for Harlem by Sunshine! Call 1-231-235-5689 or visit Sunshine's firearms dot com! 15% discount for all now. No gun, no fun!

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TOOKIE GOODNITE · 2012-12-18 16:39:30

I find Sunshine's argument very calm & rational and most of the others rather emotional & irresponsible. I figure a pic is worth a thousand words so here's a pic of me & the O'lady from about 6 years ago.

Denny · 2012-12-18 17:04:10

nämeless wrote:

Sunshine wrote:
I have a pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle.
The survival kit for Harlem by Sunshine! Call 1-231-235-5689 or visit Sunshine's firearms dot com! 15% discount for all now. No gun, no fun!

We shall never be able to understand it!

nämeless · 2012-12-18 18:08:39

Denny wrote:

We shall never be able to undertand it!

Well, as I said earlier, it's just another thinking to being in another culture. This Texas guy could think everything he want, even he should get a lot of weapons and never drive a minivan (like RamYam) to be called a "real man" who is able to protect himself. I spent some time with weapon and close to unlicensed weapon of the "others", got a bunch of worthless experience with grave consequences that made me hate some people of some nations and some religion, never trust a word and always be in expectation of something bad, so that's quite enough for me to comprehend that weapon is not for civil society, although the place where I have been I could not call "civil". I mean some areas of my country, considering the presence of a lot of aggressive uncontrollable idiots everywhere but even for my safe city where I was born and live now it can do a lot of harm because the excessive accessibility may only make people worse than they are. So there is my humble opinion, nothing more.

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dary · 2012-12-18 19:07:36

Sunshine, you kill also cougars (pumas)? You don't care about killing poor animals? It seems some people doesn't have any conscience and they doesn't even know it.

You said that you would use a gun if you have to. Just to make clear, who wouldn't? If someone wants to kill I would rather kill him, then get killed. Nobody needs to mention that. Would you also kill a burglar when he is just on your property?

On a farm I would also have a gun i think... I mean, how far is the next police station away?

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Entrail Joe · 2012-12-18 22:27:50

Hi, i got bored and started perusing this forum, I'd just like to add to this topic.

I' live in the UK where guns are illegal, I see this as a bad thing imho, my reasoning; the only people who have guns in the UK are the people willing to break the law to obtain them illegally, therefore only the "bad guys" have guns here, this is an issue,

either NOONE should be able to have guns
(i mean completely stopping the worldwide sale / manufacture /production of firearms)

OR everyone should have an equal chance of being able to obtain them IE make them legal,

its like religion; it only works if everyone has the same one

Sunshine · 2012-12-19 06:21:42

dary wrote:

Sunshine, you kill also cougars (pumas)? You don't care about killing poor animals? It seems some people doesn't have any conscience and they doesn't even know it.
You said that you would use a gun if you have to. Just to make clear, who wouldn't? If someone wants to kill I would rather kill him, then get killed. Nobody needs to mention that. Would you also kill a burglar when he is just on your property?
On a farm I would also have a gun i think... I mean, how far is the next police station away?

I've never killed a cougar, but my dad has killed 2. One earlier this year and one a couple years ago. They were stalking on our land. Killing poor animals... I don't really see how killing a cougar, which will hunt you, is killing a poor animal. Another person had to euthanize 2 cows because they were mauled so badly by a cougar and a guy had their dog killed by a wolf. And shooting deer and coyotes... we have a problem with them being overpopulated. Everything we kill we eat (except the cougars, wolves, and yotes).

dary · 2012-12-19 11:44:03

Did you know they are under species conservation? Is there no way to scare them away or something?

Denny · 2012-12-19 12:28:20

Sunshine wrote:

And shooting deer and coyotes... we have a problem with them being overpopulated. Everything we kill we eat (except the cougars, wolves, and yotes).

I heard there are too many chinese, over 1 bilion?

dary · 2012-12-19 12:48:46

one more question: how can deers be overpopulated when there are wolves, coyotes and pumas?

Sunshine · 2012-12-19 14:05:54

dary wrote:

Did you know they are under species conservation? Is there no way to scare them away or something?

We are allowed to shoot them when they pose a risk to lifestock, pets, or family. We primarily have dairy cows (not for beef) and come chickens and this and that. They are a few thousand dollars each. There are some deterrents to keep the predators away, but they don't work too well.

With the whole deer and coyote and wolf population thing.... Ohhhhhhh boyyyyyyyy. First we have 120% more deer. So the DNR introduced more coyotes. Withh those coyotes kept on spreading and breeding. Then they introduced more wolves to solve the problem... and it hasn't. Too much deer can lead to many problems, such as chronic wastings disease.

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tuia · 2012-12-21 11:48:45

Mossad death squads slaughtered American children at Sandy Hook

Students at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, are being guided to get out of the school after the December 14, 2012 deadly shooting.

While liberals and some conservatives believe the time has come to ban assault weapons, the graver threat to our nation’s security has been swept under the rug.
The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel.
This is being used as powerful incentive for banning assault rifles, where most of the public is unaware of the fact that the Department of Homeland Security has acquired 1.5 billion rounds of .40 caliber, hollow-point ammunition, which is not ever permissible in warfare under the Geneva Conventions.
A Senate Subcommittee has issued a report (3 October 2012) based upon its review of 680 “fusion center” reports (from 2009-2001) and found not a single indication of any domestic terrorist threat-not one! None! Since the only domestic “terrorist threats” are ones contrived by the government, especially the FBI, the public needs to know.
This information-as well as the existence of more than 300 FEMA camps and special boxcars to carry dissidents to them-has been deliberately withheld from the American people, because if they were aware of the facts of the matter, it would become obvious that those camps and ammunition are intended to be used against them.
When DHS is gearing up to conduct a massive civil war against the American people, what better excuse could there be for banning assault weapons than the massacre of 20 innocent children at Sandy Hook Elementary School?
The choice appears to be covertly revealing, where “Sandy” means guardian of men (as an allusion to guns) and “Hook” as a euphemism for hooking, gathering or confiscating the only weapons that DHS fears. And who better to slaughter American children than Israelis, who deliberately murder Palestinian children?
Mike Harris of Veterans Today has exposed the pattern relating what happened there to earlier assaults: “This is exactly what Israel did in Norway; the political party that voted sanctions against Israel was retaliated against by a ‘lone gunman’ who killed 77 children. This is what Israel always does, they go after the children.
“It is what they do in Gaza every day. It is what was done in Norway. It is what happened at Sandy Hook. Nobody buys the ‘one gunman’ story anymore, not with the Gabby Giffords’ shooting, not with the Aurora “Batman” shooting, certainly not with Breveik, and certainly not in Connecticut.”
The most likely scenario, given what we know now, is that Adam Lanza and his mother killed the day before. Adam's body picked up by local police. He was attired in a SWAT outfit, including body armor, and stored in the school.
A three-man team entered the school, one was arrested in the school--cuffed and put on the lawn--two went out the back door, one was arrested, the third appears to have escaped. You can find this on helicopter videos.
Those arrested are currently not in police custody; their names were never released. That is a telling sign that we are being sold a story that is based on fiction, not on fact. What else are the local police concealing?
A parallel situation in Aurora, where there appear to have been multiple participants, but the police concealed information about them. The DC Sniper, John Allen Muhammad, was even a active member of Delta Force, but the public was not informed.
His assistant in this killing spree, Lee Boyd Malvo, had been detained in Seattle but was released, even though he was an illegal alien, where INS has refused to explain how that happened. Did “higher authority” intervene?
Nidal Malik Hasan, the US Army Major who killed 13 and wounded 29 during a rampage at Ft. Hood, Texas, even sat next to the Director of Homeland Security during an event at George Washington University. Can that be coincidental?
When the "long gunman" cover story falls apart, then the national press, which William Colby told us was infiltrated by agents of the CIA-“The agency owns everyone of significance in the major media”-resorts to stories of Mind Control and use of drugs.
We have to see through the smoke and mirrors. These attacks typically involve three-man shooting teams, where, once the story is tainted with bogus MK/Ultra conspiracy disinformation, crucial data, like the assault rifle the Sandy Hook having been left in his car, swiftly disappears.
Lenin and Trotsky were terrorists. Lenin was an outspoken proponent of terrorism. The founder of the Lukid Party and sixth Prime Minister of Israel was an Irgun terrorist. Study its history. No nation in the world cares more about its own interests and less about those of the United States than Israel.
The bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946, was a stunning example. The attack on the USS Liberty and Israel’s bombing of its own Embassy and Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in 1992 and 1994 are other illustration.
Those who study 9/11 are all too aware of the role of the Neo-Cons and the Mossad. But the American press covers it up-and Congress is controlled by AIPAC. As Bill Casey, former CIA Director, observed, “Our disinformation program will be complete when everything the American public believes is false.” Sandy Hook is the latest example.
Quoted from: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/279183.html

Zatoichi · 2012-12-22 14:36:24

Im sorry this is insane, you greatly dishonor the memory of the dead in new town and don't grasp the nature of lonership and gun control abroad,

the reason mossad even exists is its a peice of mind security issue, sure much of thier govt and population are over zealous zionists who encroach on gaza land, but if the people of that country stood up to islamo facisim which is the real definition of terrorisim, and didn't let them run the show, just as the same issue with iran,iraq, syria, rebels and regime alike, egypt, pakistan, all muslim brotherhood connections and to irrational violence

sorry, just been brainwashed T

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MightyZo0K · 2012-12-22 15:08:18

Well, I have to agree with sunshine. That's the world. We are humans, so we think that we are the so called "important race". Imo this is shit but that's how the world goes on and on and on. My grandfather had also a shot gun to kill animals which could eat or kill his animals which he needed to earn money and bring some food home. Anyway, I will never understand why weapons are allowed... And don't start with this standard phrase " we have to protect ourselves"...in Germany it is almost impossible to get weapons. And we have quite less dead people BECAUSE we don't have weapons in our homes. And we can live without weapons. Imo it is bullshit to say that you can only defend yourself with weapons. AMERICA wake up!!!

Zatoichi · 2012-12-22 19:22:04

Completely concour Zook, no matter how safer in one way america is made, innocents loose their life to such hardware at the hands of those who should not have a chance to access such weapons in anyway shape or form
this piece of mind of safety being robbed at random is not a price to pay or accept as needed in anyway, and must be dealt with, if the people that may and will indeed be lost to unavoidable death by gunfire on account of nothing but one persons serious malfunction as a human being , many more will die in our future if it goes on and continues in the way it has if something is not done.

rule your future, not watch it unfold

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