Advice needed to build computer

Syndrum² · 2015-09-29 00:13:27

hiiiiiiiiiiiii everyone, i need advice to build a computer. OK where do I begin, specifications?
This is what I have in mind:

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-Gaming 3

Intel Core i5-4460

EVGA GeForce GTX 970 ACX 2.0 4GB GDDR5

Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB Kit (4GBx2) DDR3 1600

Corsair CX600 CP-9020048-US 600W Power Supply

Mid-tower Computer Chassis (Black)

The problem is that i doubt between between two processors, the Intel Core i5-4460 @ 3.20GHz <> AMD FX-9590 Eight-Core the AMD is cheap and has better performance, BUT when i search on google i see people complaining about an overheated CPU... So i dont know.. should i stay with Intel? and am considering to purchase an i7-4790K instead of i5.

I want to spend between €800.- and €900,- euros for a new PC, better specifications within this price are also welcome!!
thanks for reading and attention, love you! <3

HoOK · 2015-09-29 07:01:53

i would go for i7-4790K
this is all what you need

(BB)DinkW · 2015-09-29 07:30:28

I would seriously up your PSU, its the heart of any system and under specifying it will cost you dearly in the long run.

I run an AMD 8 core Bulldozer and have had no issues with heat at all provided you spend a bit of money on decent cooling you wont either, it seriously craps all over the i5 and i7.

Good luck

Syndrum² · 2015-09-29 13:21:14

(BB)DinkW wrote:

I would seriously up your PSU, its the heart of any system and under specifying it will cost you dearly in the long run.
I run an AMD 8 core Bulldozer and have had no issues with heat at all provided you spend a bit of money on decent cooling you wont either, it seriously craps all over the i5 and i7.
Good luck

What kind of cooler do you use?

(BB)DinkW · 2015-09-29 14:19:47

The nearest equivalent to the one I use, which is no longer manufactured, is this one:

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/comp … 01-gb.html

Its a bit of a beast in size but super quiet due to the fact that it has a 120mm fan and so does not need to run very fast to move a large amount of air, so you don't get that horrible whine when you are loading the system.

HTH

DinkW

000 · 2015-09-29 17:07:17

amd cpus are crap ... buy intel ...

that cpu is the best example of how much amd suck ... it's just an overclocked piece of silicon, due to amd being stuck at 32 nm, due to the intelligence in that company being too low. they've been at the brink of bankrupsy for a long time. those overclocked cpus have shorter lifetimes, the cooling is noisier, and they use much more electricity, so they are more expensive to run. yes buy a 4790k/6700k if you want a true beast, but an i5 at half the cost is a good deal too.

that psu is sufficient for intel, and borderline for amd

(BB)DinkW · 2015-09-29 17:31:37

xp fanatic wrote:

amd cpus are crap ... buy intel ...
that cpu is the best example of how much amd suck ... it's just an overclocked piece of silicon, due to amd being stuck at 32 nm, due to the intelligence in that company being too low. they've been at the brink of bankrupsy for a long time. those overclocked cpus have shorter lifetimes, the cooling is noisier, and they use much more electricity, so they are more expensive to run. yes buy a 4790k/6700k if you want a true beast, but an i5 at half the cost is a good deal too.
that psu is sufficient for intel, and borderline for amd

Really !?!?!?!?!

Ok I can only speak from experience I have had the Bulldozer for 4 years now and it is super silent running dual boot Win7/10 at 64bit never a glitch from it. The suggestion to up the rating of the PSU was to cope with the demand from the GPU which is what I had to do when I replaced my original card due to boot failures through lack of power, although it worked fine with the old GPU my 600w supply struggled with the 4Gig GPU. I now have an 800w and all is well again although I still have the same processor and it is still rock solid.

I have two servers both with i5's on board and these mothers cook big time as do the 7000 units that we have with i5 and i7s at the University where I work. Having the two i5's running in my office at home at least does save me money, I have not needed to use the fan heater for over a year

Best of luck with whatever you decide upon.

P.S I am now on my 3rd i7 PC at work in two years just thought I would put that out there

Last edited by (BB)DinkW (2015-09-29 17:38:48)

000 · 2015-09-29 18:08:47

really, yes

the tdp of that amd is 220 w, 88 w intel ... says it all

hotter, noisier, higher electricity bill

Serebro · 2015-09-29 18:41:23

Use 1 chip of 8gb memory. So if you will feel the need to upgrade, you just buy another chip and dont need to get rid of the old ones.

(BB)DinkW · 2015-09-29 18:45:25

The FX9000 series does have as you say a 220w tdp and require liquid cooling but the 8000 series is around 95w or 125w depending which one you get.

All I will add is that Xbox 1 and playstation 4 seem to be happy with them ...says it all

But this line is interesting from their website :

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Power Supply:
A 600W or higher high-quality power supply recommended at minimum. A higher wattage power supply may be required based on the power draw of other components, specifically the graphics card.

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Kind of what I was trying to say

000 · 2015-09-29 19:00:58

futhermore, socket am3+ is an old partly outdated platform, it was introduced in 2011, while z97 boards are from 2014. skylake is only a few months old.

asus strix 970 is a better card for the same price in my opinion.

https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/STR … 0DC2OC4GD5

Pleiades53 · 2015-09-29 19:05:30

I seem to find good pricing on components from:
www.tigerdirect.com
I don't know if purchasing out of the States will work for you but the items here also have comments from purchasers so you can get their opinion on the items even if you simply want to hear what others say. Hope this helps.

000 · 2015-09-29 19:12:29

plenty of euro price comparison sites, a small sample:

http://www.idealo.de
http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich
http://www.pricerunner.co.uk
http://www.edbpriser.dk

Pleiades53 · 2015-09-29 19:17:06

NOICE post there xp fanatic! Good selections and easy to find the items.

Syndrum² · 2015-09-29 21:01:38

Thanks everyone for the comments!!
I think I've made my decision, plans have changed i go for the following specifications:

Intel Boxed Core I5-6600K 3.50 > €225
ASUS B150-PLUS D3, Moederbord > €100
Kingston HyperX 8 GB > €50
GeForce GTX 970 > €300
Behuizing > €50
EVGA 500 W1 80+, 500W > €40

Total cost: €750-800

These specifications should play heavy games easy on high settings, games such as Battlefield 4/hardline and the upcomming Tom Clancy's The Division 2016. And you can always upgrade to the latest cpu the cpu thanks to the socket l1151.

000 · 2015-09-29 21:47:01

for almost the same price you can get a motherboard with the top chipset z170 instead of the b150 you mention above

some z170 boards sorted by (danish) price, should be comparable to euro price ranges:

http://www.edbpriser.dk/hardware/bundko … ?chipsaet=[Intel+Z170+Express]&count=10&sort=TotalPrice&rlm=List

ASUS Z170-P D3 can be bought for 100 € in germany

note that some mobos use ddr3l, others ddr4

chipsets for skylake:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1151

ATF_SurrenderMonkey · 2015-09-29 23:42:16

used this website a few times.....

https://pcpartpicker.com/

Serebro · 2015-09-30 10:49:22

Syndrum, don't forget to buy the cooling system! A liquid one or some mechanical ventilators is a must. Noone uses stock processor coolers because the lack efficiency at high output. So If you chose mechanical you need at least 3 of them. One at entrance of PC case, one at backpanel exit and one for processor.

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000 · 2015-09-30 11:10:16

don't buy extra cooling, don't listen to people who have no idea what they're talking about

stock ventilation on cpu, gpu, psu is fine

(BB)DinkW · 2015-09-30 12:53:11

xp fanatic wrote:

don't buy extra cooling, don't listen to people who have no idea what they're talking about
stock ventilation on cpu, gpu, psu is fine

Jeepers ! How dam rude are you!

Been in the IT game for nearly 30 years the above is total nonsense.
By all means use stock cooling if you wish but your processor will get hot and won't last you as long as it could and your stock cooling will be as noisy as hell but don't take my word for it try it and see.
It will also heat the components surrounding you CPU more heat = more current less efficient.

Why on earth do you think the fastest CPU that has ever been produced is super cooled, by liquid nitrogen I believe.

Seriously listen to Serebro you will thank him for it in the end

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000 · 2015-09-30 14:10:38

Intel cpus below 100 w run cool and quiet with stock a cooler at 25 degrees room temp and below

same with that asus 970 card mentioned

same with a decent psu

no need for extra air flow

some people are obsessed with cooling for no valid reasons, often the same who buy amd, like bling and stuff that looks neat but has no purpose

joint · 2015-09-30 14:36:07

motherboard has fan speed controllers i guess?

case solved, iam damn good!

Syndrum² · 2015-10-01 15:28:03

ATF_SurrenderMonkey wrote:

used this website a few times.....
https://pcpartpicker.com/

Thanks very useful!

xp fanatic wrote:

for almost the same price you can get a motherboard with the top chipset z170 instead of the b150 you mention above
some z170 boards sorted by (danish) price, should be comparable to euro price ranges:
http://www.edbpriser.dk/hardware/bundko … ?chipsaet=[Intel+Z170+Express]&count=10&sort=TotalPrice&rlm=List
ASUS Z170-P D3 can be bought for 100 € in germany
note that some mobos use ddr3l, others ddr4
chipsets for skylake:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1151
http://s29.postimg.org/n8xrvcy4j/SNAG_0000.jpg

Yes you are right a better motherboard for the same price, Thanks!!!

serebro2064 wrote:

Syndrum, don't forget to buy the cooling system! A liquid one or some mechanical ventilators is a must. Noone uses stock processor coolers because the lack efficiency at high output. So If you chose mechanical you need at least 3 of them. One at entrance of PC case, one at backpanel exit and one for processor.

(BB)DinkW wrote:

xp fanatic wrote:
don't buy extra cooling, don't listen to people who have no idea what they're talking about
stock ventilation on cpu, gpu, psu is fine

Jeepers ! How dam rude are you!
Been in the IT game for nearly 30 years the above is total nonsense.
By all means use stock cooling if you wish but your processor will get hot and won't last you as long as it could and your stock cooling will be as noisy as hell but don't take my word for it try it and see.
It will also heat the components surrounding you CPU more heat = more current less efficient.
Why on earth do you think the fastest CPU that has ever been produced is super cooled, by liquid nitrogen I believe.
Seriously listen to Serebro you will thank him for it in the end

I will use the standard cooler that comes with the CPU, if i notice that the temperature is high then i will upgrade the cooler. np

Syndrum² · 2015-10-01 15:31:20

and the 500W PSU is that okay? or should I buy a 600W?

ATF_SurrenderMonkey · 2015-10-01 17:36:45

Syndrum² wrote:

and the 500W PSU is that okay? or should I buy a 600W?

my minimum on new builds is always at least 700-750 watt..minimum...that way it is future proof if you add more hardware...but I don't know
your electrical capabilities at the location that you use it most....

(BB)DinkW · 2015-10-01 21:41:45

I would go a lot higher than a 500w PSU the Monkey is right
700w is ok 800-900w is better and wont leave you wanting more when you upgrade your GPU, other components or simply loading loads of USB devices

Best of luck with your new build send us some pics when you have it completed

000 · 2015-10-02 01:17:02

Here we go with the misleading advices again.

Some people have no self-criticism and never question whether what they're saying is factually right or wrong.

Anybody can say: Buy the best/fastest/biggest/most expensive product, but that makes no sense in most cases since the vast majority have a limited budget.

The quality of the psu is relevant as well. Some cheap high wattage ones are of poor quality.

I'd rather buy a quality 600w psu for syndrums build, than a cheap crap 900w one.

i7 ~ 90 w
geforce 970 ~ 170 w

https://www.google.dk/search?num=100&ne … 7S6yBzRpW8
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
http://www.coolermaster.outervision.com
http://powersupplycalculator.net
http://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator

Catpain_Blackadder · 2015-10-02 03:25:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dug-G9xVdVs

ATF_SurrenderMonkey · 2015-10-02 03:37:06

xp fanatic wrote:

Here we go with the misleading advices again.
Some people have no self-criticism and never question whether what they're saying is factually right or wrong.
Anybody can say: Buy the best/fastest/biggest/most expensive product, but that makes no sense in most cases since the vast majority have a limited budget.
The quality of the psu is relevant as well. Some cheap high wattage ones are of poor quality.
I'd rather buy a quality 600w psu for syndrums build, than a cheap crap 900w one.
i7 ~ 90 w
geforce 970 ~ 170 w

https://www.google.dk/search?num=100&ne … 7S6yBzRpW8
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
http://www.coolermaster.outervision.com
http://powersupplycalculator.net
http://www.bequiet.com/en/psucalculator

In that case...skip the build and buy one off the shelf...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevange … -yourself/

SM

(BB)DinkW · 2015-10-02 07:32:37

Can we setup a new forum topic heading entitled "XP Fanatics Technical Help" it would seem to me that he is the only one of us qualified to give advice, or so he thinks

Yes you could easily by a 600w supply and run it to the max or buy an 800w and have the components run well within tolerance and leave room for expansion.
Is what I am saying actually factually right or wrong? well it was the last time I tried it but that was not through self criticism it was through testing and using ohms law to work out actual current consumption.

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