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Gaza is under control from israel... they are not free there. Everything is controlled by israel. And you know, nobody said, that israel is not allowed to defend. They can build a 100m high wall, but pls. on their country.
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What i can't understand, the international court said, that the wall is illegitim, the settlement is illegitim, that they have to pay reparation to the refugees, but nothing happends. (besides, illegitim is a to soft word, it's illegal.)
And what could be happend, if israel gives back the westbank, we can't see this, before they give it back.
Besides no other counry starts a war only bec. some people start suicid bombing. Otherwise USA would attack Saudi Arabia before decades and germany would never be left to the germans after WW2.
When suspections are legitimating to start war, we saw how it ended in Irak and Afghanistan.
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i see what you are saying but there is a difference.
Germany stooped the violence and began to develop their country.
what would have happen if they continue to arm them self, make terror attacks, send rockets to neighbor countries, and Digg assault tunnels?
you cannot except everything to happen at once.
if you had a big debt in the bank, the bank wont give you a you credit or loan only before you prove it will not happen again, and that there's improvement in your financial management..
we want to see their improvement before we give them more credit, we want to see them developing their country and stop the terror.
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You say, Palestinians have to proove, what about Israel?
I guess, there were never a war, which stopped at once, you forget the violence all around the world from the winning factions after WW2. They proofed only that they are not trustfull. All of them, but this is human.
What about Laos. This was a hidden war, managed by CIA. Until today children get injured by hidden bombs. But no one cares. Same as in palestina, the international court made a decision, but where is the rest of the world? There's no sanctioning against Israel or USA in case of Laos.
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You know, one problem is that there's to much time gone, to much hate. We all can only wonder how it worked in southafrica, ... nobody expected that.
If they don't find a solution, at the end, it will happen more strange things. In history, there was never a agressor who didn't fall at the end.
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And again in your example of Gaza, ... Israel i controlling everything. Palestinians have to ask for permission. At the end, they don't even get a permission to build a clarification plant. Israel deny them to care for themself. But this is all israels strategy. Keep them down and you can control them.
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Don't forget, that the children are growing up under these circumstances...
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Btw. Germany was allowed to revive. The victors learned from the failures after WW1. So they launched the marshall plan. This would work also in Palestina. But it's not desired... as we see.
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One problem is also, that after a war, sometimes the WarHeroes get leader. This is totally wrong. After the war, scientists and deep thinkers are asked, but no war heroes. You can see that in Eritrea...
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In germany, also SS- people were accepted from the victors. In a view, same happend as in southafrica.... condonation instead of retribution.
Perhaps this is the only way.
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Last edited by Arkos (2014-08-02 15:59:22)
Islamic university has been destroyed today
How they will study?
Today...
Islamic university has been destroyed today
How they will study?
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As i said... the plan is to destroy everything to keep you all down. They destroy everything, what is needed to revive the economy and the country.
At the end the world, (except israel), will spend money to rebuild gaza... what a stupid circuit, as it was allways in the past.
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Same as in palestina, the international court made a decision, but where is the rest of the world? There's no sanctioning against Israel or USA in case of Laos.
i don't remember if you're from switzerland or germany but do you know if your country is doing anything about it? if not, do you know why?
hook, is that translation correct?
and do you know what area he means by "palestinian land"?
Here's a link for u guys...
Islamic university has been destroyed today
How they will study?
I watched the photos of it today
YT wrote:T.G wrote:I can also pictures like that, from the buses terror attacks:
that was bound to happen....u think they wont retaliate after u bomb em n massacre em?? of course they will n BTW how many more such incidents have happened?? one or two more??
Israel has been carrying out even more deadly attacks than this on the Palestinian civilians for ages!
this is not a competition my friend, i only stated that the fact that we don't show our victims bodies all over the media make you think they are the only victims, cant you accept that they are not the only victims here?
just for you to know, i'm 26 years old, there was no military intervention before the terror began in about the start of the 90's
1 or 2?
here is the partly list for you to review: (source Wikipedia) (more then 150 terror attacks on civilians)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa … de_attacks
neither am i competing with u... what i am saying is that one cannot justify those attacks for conducting a genocide of a whole nation! thats insane!
n btw terror began from ur side in 1940's n hamas didnt exist at that time ...hamas is just an excuse by ur govt...i dont blame it on individuals like u or the other normal citizens..i blame it on ur system n govt...
u should watch this video too what an on ground veteran has to say abt ur system
@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
international law ? they have it but un is pretty quiet, un is biased and doing everything by dictate of us. Noone believe to un, and why should ? They showing day by day how force wins against law
agreed...
The U.N rules apply only on weak countries... not on U.S or Israel
@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
Last edited by Sunshine (2014-08-02 18:04:44)
YT wrote:@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
yes your govt is a BIG GOON!
the way Iraq n Afghanistan were attacked isnt it enough proof of it?? where were the weapons of mass destructions which ur president alleged saddam was possessing?? where was Osama after which they invaded Afghanistan??
it all was bullshit fed to u by ur main stream media and beloved govt!!
ur govt is your own enemy, it will bring war upon itself n ur country....dont u think if ur country invades other countries n kill innocents there the relatives of the deceased will rise up and wage war against ur country?? but no, u dont give a fuck n let what ur stupid selfish govt do what it wants...when it will come to u n ur fam tomorrow then only u will realise..
the truth is, they wanted to take control of the Iraqi Oil wells which they succeeded in having...the proof is that all the oil fields are under the custody of ur army n they r the benificiaries not the Iraqis..
n as far as Osama is concerned, how many times has the US govt claimed that they killed him?? 3 times in total as far as i remember n the last time they claimed it they said he was killed in Pakistan near an army base?? n they said that they dumped his body in the sea?! ok fine u dumped it but u didnt provide any proof if he was actually killed..for e.g when Saddam was killed his body's pics were publicised....just a "word of mouth" by those who had already claimed twice that he was killed...
now u would argue abt 9/11 right?? that those cave men hijacked 3 planes and attacked U.S n killed so many civilians....only a stupid can believe in these stories...
u say Obama is a jew hater n he loves muslims?? u surely dont know anything... actions speak louder than words! ..if he loved muslims so much he would have immediately withdrawn all his army but no he didn't , if he cared so much about muslims he wouldnt be carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan n killing innocent women n children....if he was a jew hater he wouldnt be supporting Israel in its current barbaric acts, he would have attacked Israel like it attacked Libya during Qaddafi regime..
Sunshine wrote:YT wrote:@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
yes your govt is a BIG GOON!
the way Iraq n Afghanistan were attacked isnt it enough proof of it?? where were the weapons of mass destructions which ur president alleged saddam was possessing?? where was Osama after which they invaded Afghanistan??
it all was bullshit fed to u by ur main stream media and beloved govt!!
ur govt is your own enemy, it will bring war upon itself n ur country....dont u think if ur country invades other countries n kill innocents there the relatives of the deceased will rise up and wage war against ur country?? but no, u dont give a fuck n let what ur stupid selfish govt do what it wants...when it will come to u n ur fam tomorrow then only u will realise..
the truth is, they wanted to take control of the Iraqi Oil wells which they succeeded in having...the proof is that all the oil fields are under the custody of ur army n they r the benificiaries not the Iraqis..
n as far as Osama is concerned, how many times has the US govt claimed that they killed him?? 3 times in total as far as i remember n the last time they claimed it they said he was killed in Pakistan near an army base?? n they said that they dumped his body in the sea?! ok fine u dumped it but u didnt provide any proof if he was actually killed..for e.g when Saddam was killed his body's pics were publicised....just a "word of mouth" by those who had already claimed twice that he was killed...
now u would argue abt 9/11 right?? that those cave men hijacked 3 planes and attacked U.S n killed so many civilians....only a stupid can believe in these stories...
u say Obama is a jew hater n he loves muslims?? u surely dont know anything... actions speak louder than words! ..if he loved muslims so much he would have immediately withdrawn all his army but no he didn't , if he cared so much about muslims he wouldnt be carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan n killing innocent women n children....if he was a jew hater he wouldnt be supporting Israel in its current barbaric acts, he would have attacked Israel like it attacked Libya during Qaddafi regime..
You really think the U.S. Government is responsable? They are only marionettes.
YT wrote:Sunshine wrote:I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
yes your govt is a BIG GOON!
the way Iraq n Afghanistan were attacked isnt it enough proof of it?? where were the weapons of mass destructions which ur president alleged saddam was possessing?? where was Osama after which they invaded Afghanistan??
it all was bullshit fed to u by ur main stream media and beloved govt!!
ur govt is your own enemy, it will bring war upon itself n ur country....dont u think if ur country invades other countries n kill innocents there the relatives of the deceased will rise up and wage war against ur country?? but no, u dont give a fuck n let what ur stupid selfish govt do what it wants...when it will come to u n ur fam tomorrow then only u will realise..
the truth is, they wanted to take control of the Iraqi Oil wells which they succeeded in having...the proof is that all the oil fields are under the custody of ur army n they r the benificiaries not the Iraqis..
n as far as Osama is concerned, how many times has the US govt claimed that they killed him?? 3 times in total as far as i remember n the last time they claimed it they said he was killed in Pakistan near an army base?? n they said that they dumped his body in the sea?! ok fine u dumped it but u didnt provide any proof if he was actually killed..for e.g when Saddam was killed his body's pics were publicised....just a "word of mouth" by those who had already claimed twice that he was killed...
now u would argue abt 9/11 right?? that those cave men hijacked 3 planes and attacked U.S n killed so many civilians....only a stupid can believe in these stories...
u say Obama is a jew hater n he loves muslims?? u surely dont know anything... actions speak louder than words! ..if he loved muslims so much he would have immediately withdrawn all his army but no he didn't , if he cared so much about muslims he wouldnt be carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan n killing innocent women n children....if he was a jew hater he wouldnt be supporting Israel in its current barbaric acts, he would have attacked Israel like it attacked Libya during Qaddafi regime..
You really think the U.S. Government is responsable? They are only marionettes.
Ofcourse i do know their govt is hijacked and they are marionattes n yes they are also responsible as they are partners in crime...
T.G wrote:hook, is that translation correct?
and do you know what area he means by "palestinian land"?
Translation is 100% correct
All israel ofc..
Sunshine wrote:YT wrote:@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
yes your govt is a BIG GOON!
the way Iraq n Afghanistan were attacked isnt it enough proof of it?? where were the weapons of mass destructions which ur president alleged saddam was possessing?? where was Osama after which they invaded Afghanistan??
it all was bullshit fed to u by ur main stream media and beloved govt!!
ur govt is your own enemy, it will bring war upon itself n ur country....dont u think if ur country invades other countries n kill innocents there the relatives of the deceased will rise up and wage war against ur country?? but no, u dont give a fuck n let what ur stupid selfish govt do what it wants...when it will come to u n ur fam tomorrow then only u will realise..
the truth is, they wanted to take control of the Iraqi Oil wells which they succeeded in having...the proof is that all the oil fields are under the custody of ur army n they r the benificiaries not the Iraqis..
n as far as Osama is concerned, how many times has the US govt claimed that they killed him?? 3 times in total as far as i remember n the last time they claimed it they said he was killed in Pakistan near an army base?? n they said that they dumped his body in the sea?! ok fine u dumped it but u didnt provide any proof if he was actually killed..for e.g when Saddam was killed his body's pics were publicised....just a "word of mouth" by those who had already claimed twice that he was killed...
now u would argue abt 9/11 right?? that those cave men hijacked 3 planes and attacked U.S n killed so many civilians....only a stupid can believe in these stories...
u say Obama is a jew hater n he loves muslims?? u surely dont know anything... actions speak louder than words! ..if he loved muslims so much he would have immediately withdrawn all his army but no he didn't , if he cared so much about muslims he wouldnt be carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan n killing innocent women n children....if he was a jew hater he wouldnt be supporting Israel in its current barbaric acts, he would have attacked Israel like it attacked Libya during Qaddafi regime..
Again. Believe what you want. I don't care There are many who feel the same way about those over there.
Did i mention 9/11? No. But its ok I'm just "a stupid" who doesn't know anything. Your overwhelming knowledge is just too much for me.
Last edited by Sunshine (2014-08-03 02:13:40)
Arkos wrote:Same as in palestina, the international court made a decision, but where is the rest of the world? There's no sanctioning against Israel or USA in case of Laos.
i don't remember if you're from switzerland or germany but do you know if your country is doing anything about it? if not, do you know why?
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The Swiss helps, yes.
http://www.weltwoche.ch/ausgaben/2002-0 … shilf.html
https://www.google.ch/webhp?sourceid=ch … 0palestina
http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell/schweiz/20-ja … 1.18273029
http://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/schweiz/s … -128190039
You can find many news articles between last decades.
But you know, at the end it's too little...
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Last edited by Arkos (2014-08-03 12:12:55)
ok what about the "Son of Hamas"?
one of the Hamas Founders son's who convert to christianity and immigrate to America?
here in this video you can watch what he say about Hamas.
ok what about the "Son of Hamas"?
one of the Hamas Founders son's who convert to christianity and immigrate to America?here in this video you can watch what he say about Hamas.
ok, lets say im fine with that, then why your army still kiilling innocent people ?
number of dead people exceeded 1760.... +8000 got injured
heard today , some school destroyed again (((((((
C.W u have a personality disorder, go get urself checked up
heard today , some school destroyed again
(((((((
and when you hear the reason why they are destroyed
israel says (yes hamas hiding their weapons there) every time the same reason?
T.G wrote:ok what about the "Son of Hamas"?
one of the Hamas Founders son's who convert to christianity and immigrate to America?here in this video you can watch what he say about Hamas.
ok, lets say im fine with that, then why your army still kiilling innocent people ?
number of dead people exceeded 1760.... +8000 got injured
i don't know whats going on there exactly.
but i know my people, and we are not as animals as you think , i haven't seen a single person who is supporting killing of innocent people here, and all of them (to the most extremist) feel bad for that.
maybe its not enough for your, but friends that were there and told me specifically that the militants hiding inside populated areas.
the Hamas government put your people at risk! why didn't they built shelters in Gaza for the last 6 years? they just don't care.
they get money and spend it on attack tunnels and rocket launchers.
and BTW, Hamas is shooting these rocket to Israel populated areas, in intention to hit innocent Israeli people, so whats the difference?, only the fact that they cannot hit because of the primitive missiles they are using, or the iron dome?
if they could kill 2000 Israelis, i promise you they will do it anytime now.. with no hesitation..
they build a tunnel thet goes inside an Israeli village, what for? there is no soldiers there, they were planing to make a massacre inside that village. they could have build these tunnels inside army bases or open field if they didn't want to "hit innocents"
they numbers you are giving indeed includes a lot of civilians causalities, but also many Hamas militants (they don't want to admit that)
yeah C.W. go on i expect a -2 from u