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YT · 2014-08-01 12:04:20

s[sk] wrote:

YT wrote:
s[sk] wrote:
are all israelis considered guilty then?
No not israelis, only those who are directly involved in the attacks n those supporting the attacks
so why is hamas trying to kill any israeli with those rockets?

i am not their spokeperson but if u do insist its their act of retaliation hoping to do some damage to the Israeli side... I am not justifying their actions but telling u what apparently their state of mind would be...

T.G · 2014-08-01 12:10:55

I can also pictures like that, from the buses terror attacks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NqlEqirmY

YT · 2014-08-01 12:14:07

s[sk] wrote:

YT wrote:
and u say u they do every effort to avoid children being killed right?
https://www.facebook.com/#!/mzeyara/pho … =1&theater
i'm sorry but this screams "fake" for too many reasons

They are all fake right??

Here are a few links for u.. are these also fake??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZrlKo_PGMI

Israeli sniper kills an unarmed civilian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBakqLUB … 1406889560

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8qvIlfvmts

YT · 2014-08-01 12:34:41

T.G wrote:

I can also pictures like that, from the buses terror attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NqlEqirmY

that was bound to happen....u think they wont retaliate after u bomb em n massacre em?? ofcourse they will n btw how many more such incidents have happened?? one or two more??

Israel has been carrying out even more deadly attacks than this on the palestinian civilians for ages!

YT · 2014-08-01 12:45:31

George S. Patton wrote:

YT wrote:
George S. Patton wrote:
1. The land the Palistinians claime to be their land has never been their land. Take a history lesson. If you really look into it you would find out I'm telling the truth. The hasn't been any muslim or arab state in the region where now is Isreal.
2. I really want to see your proof. In my opinion you're talking nonsense. The IDF mostly uses artillery. And it has been proven that Hamas fighters use civilians as a human shield.
3. Do you even know which demonstration I'm refering to. I'm refering to this: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nln … t=14096585 . If neccessary I could translate the Dutch for you.
4. There is no evidence yet. But Hamas claimed the killings of those teenagers.
5. Here's your proof: http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/07/23/ … s-rockets/

I need history lesson? ok u give me one, m very interested in what u r being taught
and for ur information if u r a jew, ur own Holy Book "Torah" prohibits jews to occupy Palestine
Btw its clearly mentioned in the news "VACANT SCHOOL" not the one which was attacked where there were several children n women who were bombed with phosporous bombs n burnt alive!!
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmT0MjlPpRo
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, just another stain on the name of Islam...killing of innocents is not allowed....even if a muslim kills a non muslim he will be given the same death penalty unless the close relatives forgive the killers...this is so, what if that terrorist kills another person tomorrow?? n if he cant respect an innocent's right to live then he as well does not have any right to stay alive..
Where's the proof of hammas accepting the attack?? give me a legitimate proof ... the truth is they dont have any proof these are just lies...
First of all I'm not a jew.
And you really want to compare those old residents with the modern day Palestinians?
Get real! In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever.
So this argument is bullshit!
And its a goddamn warzone over there. You really see those interviews as proof?
Lets wait for a proper and independent investigation before you make more accusations.
You look at this whole thing wearing winkers.

u tell me... someone tortures and kills ur whole family or some of ur loved ones and cheers their death, would u have sympathy towards those killers??

by your this line "In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever." what are you trying to prove?? that if someone occupies n invades your country n kills innocents its completely normal?? is this what u think??

Its not a war zone, to be precise its an open air prison!

YT · 2014-08-01 12:54:26

YT wrote:

George S. Patton wrote:
YT wrote:

I need history lesson? ok u give me one, m very interested in what u r being taught
and for ur information if u r a jew, ur own Holy Book "Torah" prohibits jews to occupy Palestine
Btw its clearly mentioned in the news "VACANT SCHOOL" not the one which was attacked where there were several children n women who were bombed with phosporous bombs n burnt alive!!
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmT0MjlPpRo
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, just another stain on the name of Islam...killing of innocents is not allowed....even if a muslim kills a non muslim he will be given the same death penalty unless the close relatives forgive the killers...this is so, what if that terrorist kills another person tomorrow?? n if he cant respect an innocent's right to live then he as well does not have any right to stay alive..
Where's the proof of hammas accepting the attack?? give me a legitimate proof ... the truth is they dont have any proof these are just lies...
First of all I'm not a jew.
And you really want to compare those old residents with the modern day Palestinians?
Get real! In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever.
So this argument is bullshit!
And its a goddamn warzone over there. You really see those interviews as proof?
Lets wait for a proper and independent investigation before you make more accusations.
You look at this whole thing wearing winkers.

u tell me... someone tortures and kills ur whole family or some of ur loved ones and cheers their death, would u have sympathy towards those killers??
by your this line "In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever." what are you trying to prove?? that if someone occupies n invades your country n kills innocents its completely normal?? is this what u think??
Its not a war zone, to be precise its an open air prison!

since when did we start calling live footages of civilians being killed as interviews?

wait for an independent investigation?? u must be kidding right...for all the crimes Israel has committed till date has there been any investigation and punishment?? and how do u call this accusations?? dont u see how many innocents have been killed by the Israeli bombardments?? are u trying to say that those F16s and artillery belonged to hammas and they were bombing Gaza?? or did they come from some other country n not Israel??

George S. Patton · 2014-08-01 13:19:52

As I said before. You look at it with winkers.

It is a warzone. They maked it into their own prison.
It could be their own counrty as they had accept the term of the UN in 1948.
But no. They only thing all the Palistinians and all other arabs want was to kill every jew alive.
And since 1948 the only thing Isreal is allways doing is to defend themselves to all those arabs.
In some big wars. They could have bombed Cairo, they could have bombed Damascus. But they didnt.
Because they were not attacked from those cities.

In Gaza Hamas rules.
Hamas is an official registered terrosrist organisation.
And Hamas uses the other innocent Palistinian civilians as a human shield.

The Palistian people call this on themselves. They let Hamas regain power.
If the Palistinian people really want to live in peace they should stop Hamas themselves.
But no, in schools in Gaza children are tought 3 things.
1. Glorification of terrorist
2. Demonisations of jews
3. Daily repeated that Isreal should cease to exist

And the IDF isn't allways right.

But Hamas and lots of other Palistinians aren't either.
Hamas says themselves: 'We love death as much as the jews love life'.

Isreal only reacts to all those attacks by Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist organisations.
And they make some terrible mistakes by doing that. But what do you expect?

The attacks by Hamas and other Palestinians on Isreal is the biggest mistake.

Last edited by George S. Patton (2014-08-01 13:20:04)

Vojislav · 2014-08-01 13:52:59

Have u been in their schools and know what that kids think ? Just imagine if any other country killed so much civilians , what will happened ? Russia is punished with sanctions without any proof of destroying plane while rockets still fail on their territory. What happened when russian school was attacked by chechenian terrorist, some school in beslam i think, after they killed few civilians russian forces execute few terrorists and first what came from usa was '' Russia uses excessive force against chechens'' . Finding excuses for jews crimes is lame, killing one is crime, nbr of 1300 still rising

s[sk] · 2014-08-01 14:00:50

YT wrote:

i am not their spokeperson but if u do insist its their act of retaliation hoping to do some damage to the Israeli side... I am not justifying their actions but telling u what apparently their state of mind would be...

but the original question was what islamic religion says about their actions
you said it forbids killing innocent people and they are apparently trying to do so
btw, what's punishment for killing an innocent?

s[sk] · 2014-08-01 14:31:41

Vojislav wrote:

What happened when russian school was attacked by chechenian terrorist, some school in beslam i think, after they killed few civilians russian forces execute few terrorists and first what came from usa was '' Russia uses excessive force against chechens'' .

really?

They cite the use of heavy weapons, such as tanks and Shmel rocket flamethrowers. Their usage was officially confirmed. The Shmel is a type of thermobaric weapon, described by a source associated with the US military as "just about the most vicious weapon you can imagine – igniting the air, sucking the oxygen out of an enclosed area and creating a massive pressure wave crushing anything unfortunate enough to have lived through the conflagration."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybpr3g0v7_8

if that was a building full of terrorists, i wouldn't care but there were 1100 hostages including 777 children

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_sch … age_crisis

sorry for off-topic

YT · 2014-08-01 15:35:57

George S. Patton wrote:

As I said before. You look at it with winkers.
It is a warzone. They maked it into their own prison.
It could be their own counrty as they had accept the term of the UN in 1948.
But no. They only thing all the Palistinians and all other arabs want was to kill every jew alive.
And since 1948 the only thing Isreal is allways doing is to defend themselves to all those arabs.
In some big wars. They could have bombed Cairo, they could have bombed Damascus. But they didnt.
Because they were not attacked from those cities.
In Gaza Hamas rules.
Hamas is an official registered terrosrist organisation.
And Hamas uses the other innocent Palistinian civilians as a human shield.
The Palistian people call this on themselves. They let Hamas regain power.
If the Palistinian people really want to live in peace they should stop Hamas themselves.
But no, in schools in Gaza children are tought 3 things.
1. Glorification of terrorist
2. Demonisations of jews
3. Daily repeated that Isreal should cease to exist
And the IDF isn't allways right.
But Hamas and lots of other Palistinians aren't either.
Hamas says themselves: 'We love death as much as the jews love life'.
Isreal only reacts to all those attacks by Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist organisations.
And they make some terrible mistakes by doing that. But what do you expect?
The attacks by Hamas and other Palestinians on Isreal is the biggest mistake.

What do u mean by it could be their own country? .. it IS their own country which Zionists have invaded and created an illegal state backed by the U.N which is controlled by the big goon, the U.S! they didnt ask the Palestinians nor did they ask for their consent if they would allow an establishment of another state "Israel" ...the Palestinians were forced to live with them, they were not given the option to chose if they wanted the Zionists to create Israel or not...

if u dont remember remember the history of creation Israel, lemme remind u in a summary..
after WW2 when the jews didnt have anywhere to go the Palestinians welcomed u and gave u shelter, the zionists took the wrong advantage of the Palestinian's nature and extablished a terrorist organisation which carried out numerous attacks n killed scores of innocent civilinas..laterthat terrorist organisation turned into a political party and established the state of Israel...the zionist militant leader of that organization became the prime minister of Israel!

now when the Palestininans are trying to get their land back u call them terrorists?! its just like someone from outside comes n illegally occupies ur house, beats u up, kills ur family and blames u for the death of ur family saying "if u would not have resisted ur family would not have been dead and u r responsible for their death!" thats bullshit!

u say Palestinian children r taugh to hate Israelis? u think they need schools to learn this? arent the zionist massacre and killings enough for them to hate them???

n btw u must be mistaken as its the Zionists who are taugh to hate the rest of the world... they hate the muslims, they hate the christians, they hate everyone!

btw who got them registered as a terrorist organization? The U.S? who itself is the biggest terrorist and goon? n who approved it? the U.N? which itself is controlled and influenced by U.S?

U.N is also another failed organization which is just there to protect the interests of the bigger countries, doesnt do justice..

What do u mean by "The attacks by Hamas and other Palestinians on Isreal is the biggest mistake"? like if u invade my house do i not have the right to fight back for it??

The biggest mistake is the existence of Israel in Palestine...why doesnt it shift to U.S? they have a lot of free space there...n they r their best allies too..wont be problem for both ...at the end Palestine will be happy n Israel will be n supposedly U.S as well right?

YT · 2014-08-01 15:44:20

s[sk] wrote:

YT wrote:
i am not their spokeperson but if u do insist its their act of retaliation hoping to do some damage to the Israeli side... I am not justifying their actions but telling u what apparently their state of mind would be...
but the original question was what islamic religion says about their actions
you said it forbids killing innocent people and they are apparently trying to do so
btw, what's punishment for killing an innocent?

There's only one religion by the name of Islam...how many have u heard of :s??

If someone kills an innocent, his/her penalty is also death...but...Islam inisists on forgiving
If the relatives of the murdered forgive the killer then he will be pardoned but, he has to pay a certain sum of money as blood money..

T.G · 2014-08-01 16:32:19

YT wrote:

T.G wrote:
I can also pictures like that, from the buses terror attacks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3NqlEqirmY

that was bound to happen....u think they wont retaliate after u bomb em n massacre em?? of course they will n BTW how many more such incidents have happened?? one or two more??
Israel has been carrying out even more deadly attacks than this on the Palestinian civilians for ages!

this is not a competition my friend, i only stated that the fact that we don't show our victims bodies all over the media make you think they are the only victims, cant you accept that they are not the only victims here?

just for you to know, i'm 26 years old, there was no military intervention before the terror began in about the start of the 90's

1 or 2?

here is the partly list for you to review: (source Wikipedia) (more then 150 terror attacks on civilians)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa … de_attacks

Last edited by T.G (2014-08-01 16:32:51)

T.G · 2014-08-01 16:47:36

YT wrote:

s[sk] wrote:
YT wrote:
and u say u they do every effort to avoid children being killed right?
https://www.facebook.com/#!/mzeyara/pho … =1&theater
i'm sorry but this screams "fake" for too many reasons

They are all fake right??
Here are a few links for u.. are these also fake??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZrlKo_PGMI
Israeli sniper kills an unarmed civilian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBakqLUB … 1406889560
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8qvIlfvmts

whats your point?

there is some Incidents, it doesn't means that this kind of stuff is what going on all the times.

you see these kind of videos and think that its how we treat them daily, that's false!

soldiers are human two, and they can make mistakes as well. at least They are being judged for it.

you think that if some Israeli kid will meet Hamas militants they will pet him? give me a brake.

you saw the picture ive posted before on how they massacre this poor boy while he was sleeping.

the videos are not objective, yes it is wrong to beat up a child, but they are sometimes provoking them, throwing rocks and such... because they know the soldiers cannot do anything about it, ive seen it with my own eyes.

and now you show your self as innocents? ive seen a lot of Muslims beating their own kids to punish them!

again, in your last post, you are referring to past, we stole, we occupy bla bla..

ok lets say that happened, what the realistic solution for now to solve this conflict? because you know no one is going to give up this land.

you are repeating on the same old story again and again...

BTW YT, where you from?

Last edited by T.G (2014-08-01 16:49:02)

George S. Patton · 2014-08-01 17:25:32

In the region called Palestinia have allways lived jews and Palestinians side by side.
Even before WWII! They lived there under Brittish rule.
Brittish rule ended may 1948.
At that point there has been lots of negotiations with both Palestinians and jews what to do with the land because i didn't belong to everyone.
UN proposed a fair separation of the land so jew and Palestinians could live in peace.
Palestinians were greedy and wanted the whole landscape what was never theirs.

At the rising of the Isreal at 15 may 1948 all surrounding countries attacked Isreal to kill every jew.
They failed, as they allways will.

From that moment on there has allways been conflict between jews and Palestinians.
Isreal offered peace many times but that offers we're answered by waves of suicide bombers and so on.

And again, the IDF isn't allways wrong and they make big mistakes.
So does Hamas.

In my opinion they both need to stop fighting and start talking.
They have to live in peace and respect eachother.

But that is probably never going to happend because all the arabs will never stop before they have killed all jews.
Even when their not in Isreal.

You are probaby going to react on this by saying how bad the jews are and that every kill have to be revenged.
As long as you, and most of all the other arabs, keep thinking that way there will allways be war.

I'm afraid I will never talk any sense into you but thats oke. I still respect you.

They both need to lay down their arms and start talking and live in peace together.

Last edited by George S. Patton (2014-08-01 17:25:50)

Arkos · 2014-08-01 20:16:33

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Another view to the situation. After this video you will find many others of his lecture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJ4T-U98QY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YAGHoBUfkA

Also another picture about what happend in 1948, where 750'000 Palestinians became refugees, at minute 22.35. They were instructed by arabs to leave the houses to make space for the invading arab armies, (this was long believed), ... listen yourself.

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Very interesting. It needs time to watch, but it's worth it.

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Last edited by Arkos (2014-08-01 21:06:51)

seventy · 2014-08-01 21:20:22

He is very good. Very knowledgable.

s[sk] · 2014-08-01 23:12:19

Arkos wrote:

Very interesting. It needs time to watch, but it's worth it.

biased but nonetheless interesting

i'd like to see more of that Q&A than lecture and if it was done now and not in 2010, it'd be great

but it supports seventy's idea with palestine going the international law route instead of the "let's provoke violence" one since he says the whole world is siding against israel
if only that happened

Arkos · 2014-08-01 23:22:23

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Why should palestinians go the international law route, if all is clear since years for all around world, exclude 2 countries. (if you really were looking the second video). You know, there is nothing new since 2010. (All is about the same). Perhaps because of that Arafat had to die. Israel counts on Hamas to legitimate the war.

The rest of the world should only sanctioning israel.

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Besides, Hamas is involved in gouverment since 2006. Israel had 35 years time before and now ask yourself, why they didn't found a solution.

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Last edited by Arkos (2014-08-01 23:30:54)

s[sk] · 2014-08-01 23:30:41

Arkos wrote:

Why should palestinians go the international law route, if all is clear since years for all around world, exclude 2 countries.

because if you do illegal stuff (which shooting rockets at enemy territory, infiltrating it in order to kill/kidnap people is), it's hard to pretend you're the good guy and get some sympathy and help
it just degenerates into a heated debate about who's less evil

Arkos · 2014-08-01 23:31:31

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I see, you didn't watch the lecture... but you really should...

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Nobody says, that Israel is not allowed to build a wall, but the wall now is 85% on palestinian country.

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And this "protecting settlements" doesn't count, bec. the settlements are illegal. Highest court says that over years...

Israel should leave the palestinians land, it's easy... or they give some other land to the palestinians...

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I say it again... look the lecture

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s[sk] · 2014-08-01 23:37:09

Arkos wrote:

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Why should palestinians go the international law route, if all is clear since years for all around world, exclude 2 countries. (if you really were looking the second video). You know, there is nothing new since 2010. (All is about the same). Perhaps because of that Arafat had to die. Israel counts on Hamas to legitimate the war.
The rest of the world should only sanctioning israel.
...
Besides, Hamas is involved in gouverment since 2006. Israel had 35 years time before and now ask yourself, why they didn't found a solution.
...

i don't mind people editing posts to fix typos but continually adding stuff makes the one that's responding look like he's ignoring parts of your post

You know, there is nothing new since 2010. (All is about the same).

so hamas are still guys with firecrackers? (ok, they probably weren't even in 2010)

Israel had 35 years time before and now ask yourself, why they didn't found a solution.

i've asked, came up with 2 possibilities 1. they didn't want to 2. the other side made it impossible
does this solve anything for the future?

Arkos · 2014-08-01 23:41:55

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Again... the solution lies somewhere else...

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At the end, there's no legitimation to kill thousends of innocents and destroy infrastructure of gaza.

In my opinion Israel is not interested to find a solution.

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s[sk] · 2014-08-01 23:44:05

Arkos wrote:

I see, you didn't watch the lecture... but you really should...

could you please describe your thought process that led you to this conclusion?

Nobody says, that Israel is not allowed to build a wall, but the wall now is 85% on palestinian country.
...
And this "protecting settlements" doesn't count, bec. the settlements are illegal. Highest court says that over years...
Israel should leave the palestinians land, it's easy... or they give some other land to the palestinians...
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that's what ICJ said
international law body

then i don't understand why you rejected the idea that palestine should use international law to reach their goals instead of just provoking bloodshed that doesn't lead anywhere

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Vojislav · 2014-08-01 23:56:00

international law ? they have it but un is pretty quiet, un is biased and doing everything by dictate of us. Noone believe to un, and why should ? They showing day by day how force wins against law

T.G · 2014-08-02 00:20:17

Arkos wrote:

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Israel should leave the palestinians land, it's easy... or they give some other land to the palestinians...

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Israel left the Gaza strip at 2005, and look What happened...

give up the west bank?

so they could develop another Gaza just 5 minutes from the center of Israel.

listen.. we have no intention what so ever to stay there.

its all about security...

not before they prove them self and stop the violence, it will never happen. that's what they don't understand.

If they choose to develop the Gaza Strip and not to make it a terrorist state, I assure you that the West Bank was given to them as well.

BTW
Let's take a hypothetical situation that we leave the Palestinians area as you say, the west bank, and everything..

then they create their own state, and keep shooting at us, make terror attacks, and digging tunnels... what would you say then?

will then you legitimize Israel to use force or that we still be the bad boys what so ever?

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Arkos · 2014-08-02 00:24:14

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Gaza is under control from israel... they are not free there. Everything is controlled by israel. And you know, nobody said, that israel is not allowed to defend. They can build a 100m high wall, but pls. on their country.

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What i can't understand, the international court said, that the wall is illegitim, the settlement is illegitim, that they have to pay reparation to the refugees, but nothing happends. (besides, illegitim is a to soft word, it's illegal.)

And what could be happend, if israel gives back the westbank, we can't see this, before they give it back.

Besides no other counry starts a war only bec. some people start suicid bombing. Otherwise USA would attack Saudi Arabia before decades and germany would never be left to the germans after WW2.

When suspections are legitimating to start war, we saw how it ended in Irak and Afghanistan.

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Tuesday · 2014-08-02 01:02:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IynADeLxfCU

HoOK · 2014-08-02 01:42:33

about 1600 were killed and still counting.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycBjctzV3Ig

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joint · 2014-08-02 02:12:06

its like overwhelming majority of all people are against any wars and violence in general and want deal with each others in a peaceful way only, but why wars still go on then, comes out that people largely dont have free will? will of few makes majority to do what they really dont want to do and think as reast do, by giving a trent, idea,etc. people who live close to each other usualy have more or less same thinking, its natural, like if you born in Palestine, you probably want good for everyone and support hamas and if you born in Israel, you want good for everyone and support army, and every side know what good is
its like a wave at stadium, with leaders and cordination its easy to start it but not to stop or reverse it, and facts come to secondary, idea promotion - to first

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