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Black Mamba

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Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Hi all. Due to recent interest in hosting another competitive event, I have decided to host a dogfight tournament. It is my honest opinion that cups and tournaments bring more life in the game and that more should be hosted. As such, I have decided to host more small to medium scale cups in the coming months. There will be at least one other DF cup as well as an infantry cup coming up but that's not yet confirmed.

The DF cup will take the form of a 1v1 with the usual rules of engagement. Those rules will be explained here more in details once I am familiar with them, but if someone knows them, please PM me or reply to this topic.

Players can choose the map of their liking for the 1v1, it can be League DF maps or vanilla maps. Server and map choice must be agreed on by both players. The 50/50 rule will be applied, meaning if an American player fights a player from Europe, there will be one match in the American player's server of choice and the other in the European server. If one player doesn't have a server to play on, both matches will be played on a server agreed on by both contestants.

Matches will consist of one round per plane, i.e., player A starts with Spitfire in round 1 and plays with BF109 in round 2 and vice versa for player B. Matches will be no longer than two rounds. Since some dogfights can take a lot of time, score limit to win a round is set to 5.

I have decided to host a cup with 16 contestants. Sign-ups are first come, first served. The cup will be a double elimination knockout tournament with a winners and losers bracket.

I'm open to different suggestions for cup systems.

Current sign-ups for the tournament
SleveN
hanzee_panzee
LL22
Sonic
joint
gio
Viitapiru
Jazzy
dikzak
Néroné
Maxwell
Beyazz
Sommarel
Chibi
KarlsoN
sharp

Possible (yet to confirm) cast
Whoopz

*VERY IMPORTANT! It is your responsibility to play your cup matches. I will not be the police and run after people to beg them to play their cup matches. If you don't show up for your match, then your opponent wins by forfeit, no exceptions. There will be no rescheduling of matches, except in the event where both contestants cannot make it.

For any questions regarding the cup, please PM me. Since this is a 1v1 tournament, there is no need for complicated sign-up forms. If you are interested, just say so by replying to this thread and I will add you in the list of confirmed sign-ups.

EDIT: SIGN UPS ARE CLOSED. THE TOURNAMENT HAS STARTED ON JANUARY 24TH, 2016.

CUP PROGRESS CAN BE SEEN HERE: http://challonge.com/aceshigh2016

Last edited by Black Mamba (2016-01-28 21:16:36)

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

You could ask NaNi to put it on his app thing http://tankcup.herokuapp.com not sure how well it does for hosting tournaments though. There's also this other crap called www.xfire.com never personally used it, but I have heard about it.

Black Mamba

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Added.

Chibi

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

I'd like to join!

BoS

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

wheres Drago?

Black Mamba

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Chibi added. BoS are you playing?

We need 4 more contestants to start the cup in a double elimination system. With 12 we can play with the playoffs method I described in my first post.

SleveN

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

We have 13 people now with sommarel and chibi, add them to the list aswell. I think it's time for some preperation now mambish.
You should be allowed to pick between the zero - corsair or 109 and the spitfire, for each match you play, pick wisely, since you have to play with them both anyway. BF109-Mustang would be inappropriate since it could easily lead to a 1-1 scenario considering there are not many players out there who knows how to control the 109 at it's best.

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

I'm in.

Viitapiru

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

What if the rounds end 1-1? Count the points from each fight then? And who is going to count the points then? It can get complicated if a lot of crashes happen. Also the dogfights between some players can last for a very long time so I'd suggest instead of 5 points you need 3 points to win a round. I'm also okay with zero-corsair, spit-109 and switch but who/what is going to determine which plane pair are we gonna use for each match then?

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

It seems to me 3 points too short and 5 points too long. What about 4 ?
(it depends also which pilot play also, 1 point can during 15mins with viita and sleven )

I request a number of crash defined eliminatory

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

What if the rounds end 1-1? Count the points from each fight then? And who is going to count the points then? It can get complicated if a lot of crashes happen. Also the dogfights between some players can last for a very long time so I'd suggest instead of 5 points you need 3 points to win a round. I'm also okay with zero-corsair, spit-109 and switch but who/what is going to determine which plane pair are we gonna use for each match then?

Le'ts count the crashes!

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Black Mamba

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

With Beyazz we have 14 people. We need two more to do the double elimination tourney with loser and winner brackets. Tournament will not start until we have 16 people.

I will post more about the rules when I get back home tonight. Crashes shouldn't count as frags, they're accidents. For that reason someone needs to constantly spec/watch the match and even film it.

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

How about we just send you screens of match endings like in bf-league and it should be enough?

Viitapiru

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

How about we just send you screens of match endings like in bf-league and it should be enough?

Well that's the thing that doesn't work that well on dfs. Imagine you have score of 8-8 and opponent has a score of 7-8 and the actual score is something like 2-2 because of crashing to the ground and each other.

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Isnt the guy with most kills and less deaths supposed to win? Or you want to summ up every kill for a total score?

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Okay, I guess I have to clarify.

Let's say we have a df between you and me. The match starts of course in this situation:
       (points-kills-deaths)
Viita 0-0-0
Sonic 0-0-0

Lets say that in the first fight I crash to the ground accidentally. This counts as a point for you. In the scoreboard it looks like this:

Viita 0-0-1
Sonic 0-0-0

Actual score is 1-0 for you.

In the second fight  I crash again to the ground and the score looks like this:

Viita 0-0-2
Sonic 0-0-0
Actual score is 2-0 for you

In the third fight I shoot you down. Score now:

Viita 1-1-2
Sonic 0-0-1
Actual score is 2-1 for you

In the fourth fight you crash into the ground. Score looks like this:

Viita 1-1-2
Sonic 0-0-2
Actual score is 2-2 now.

I don't think I have to continue further to prove my point how complicated this might get in the end. I hope that people participating here are gentlemen and admit their losses. You could say the actual score after each fight and see if both players agree with the situation.

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

All right guys, to clear up all confusion regarding the rules I will dedicate this post to them. These are the new rules and replace the ones I set in my first post.

GENERAL RULES
- Please respect your opponent during matches. No name calling or disrespectful behavior will be tolerated.
- Both players are responsible for taking screenshots at the end of each round, but casters and specs might also do so. A match without screenshots will be considered invalid and will have to be redone.
- All matches MUST be broadcasted, a live shoutcast would also be highly appreciated
- Passwords should only be communicated to cup admins and contestants, as well as a predetermined list of voluntary spectators
- It goes without saying known hackers and cheaters are forbidden from entering the cup, even to spectate
- Most of all, have fun!

FRAGS, CRASHES AND SELF FRAGS
Since there seems to be a debate here on what constitutes a frag, the following definition will be used to define it. A frag will only be scored by gunning down your opponent with your plane's MG and/or bombing them. Trying to ram your plane into your opponent to score a frag doesn't count and accidental crashes neither. Crashing your plane into the ground accidentally will not penalize you.

Also, Friendly-Fire will be turned ON and the score system will be modified so that accidental self frags (via self bombing) do not penalize a player's points.

DRAWS
In the event of a 0 - 0 tie, and ONLY if both players fail to score a single frag versus their opponent in that time frame, a sudden death round will follow where the first player to score a frag automatically wins the match.

In the event of, say, a 1 to 1, 2 to 2 or 3 to 3 tie at the end of the match, their will be no sudden death rounds. Instead, the last player to score the tying frag will be eliminated. Example: Player A kills Player B first. 1 frag for Player A. Then Player B frags player A. 1 frag for player B. No further frags are scored until the end of the match. Player B goes to the losers bracket since it took him/her more time to score the tying frag. Time limits will be closely watched by the broadcasting crew so that each frag is associated with a specific time, and the time of the frag, screenshotted (for example, player A killed player B 5 minutes 30 seconds after round start, so at 9:30 on the clock). IMO it is only logical that in DRAW situations, the player that took the less time to frag his/her opponent advances to the next round.

GAME MODE
The game mode for the matches will be in TDM (Team Death Match). As already mentioned, score limit is set to 4 frags per round. There will be two rounds per match for a total of 30 minutes. If a 0 - 0 draw occurs, then a sudden death round will follow.

PLANE PICKING
Planes must be chosen in pairs. The following pairs will be accepted: BF109/Spitfire and Corsair/Zero. Each player picks their favorite plane in those two combinations and if there are differences in plane picking, then another with the second combination plane will be played.
Example: if Player A doesn't like using the Spitfire that Player B chose in the first round and prefers the Corsair, then in the second round he or she may use that plane if the first round was played with Player B's favorite plane. Furthermore, following the pair rule, if player B chooses to pick the BF109 in the first round then Player A MUST fight his/her opponent with the Spitfire and the same logic prevails in the second round.

MAPS
Since map choice is pretty much irrelevant in a dogfight, all fights will take place in El Alamein, and the map will be modded server-side to include the four different available planes. This will reduce the hassle of some players having to install custom maps (such as League DF maps).

SERVERS
League/Clan servers with PunkBuster will be used for the matches and the respective passwords for those servers will be sent to contestants via PM.

MATCH ARRANGING
Once you are signed up YOU are responsible for setting up the match with your opponent and COMMUNICATING the date, time, location (server) and any other important information (such as passwords) to the cup admin (me). A general time frame for matches will be provided as a reference however the official date and time of the matches is set up by YOU, the contestants. You are responsible to arrange sudden death matches if the event of a 0 - 0 tie as well. Once an arrangement has been set by both players, one of the two players will send me a PM with all the details regarding the match so that I can contact the person responsible of casting / broadcasting the matches.

PLAYER MATCHING AND TOURNAMENT SYSTEM
Player matching will be done when 16 players have signed up for the event. Right now there are 14, as already stated. I will try to match the players in the most arbitrary way possible. The tournament, once we reach 16 sign ups, will be a double elimination knockout tournament with a Winners and Losers bracket. Cup progress will be available to everyone on the site Challonge.com.

Last edited by Black Mamba (2016-01-21 21:22:14)

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

i ll wear my best tie, lets go!

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

2Viita - ok , thanks, that made it more common to understand.

2Mamba - If round starts and both players agree on bf/spitfire then player A flies in bf109 untill the round stops? When will player A must use spitfire?

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

@Sonic: If Player A prefers, say, the Spitfire and player B also, then there will be two rounds for that match, so that both players fly the plane they want. If Player B wants the Spitfire and Player A the BF109 then there is only one round to be played.

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Add me.
But im not sure about free time

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Too easy. Could any actual pilot sign up for this?

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Too easy. Could any actual pilot sign up for this?

You M1ke?

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Too easy. Could any actual pilot sign up for this?

show us power of the dark side...

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Too easy. Could any actual pilot sign up for this?

can we have some fun, Miky? we know we all suck and dont deserve to play this game, beside, all the actual pilot in the Siria atm, sorry

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

I bet 5000 грн on my friend joint from the Ukrainian Air Force.

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Not an unreasonable bet judging by what I've witnessed in-game. :')

joint

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

I bet 5000 грн on my friend joint from the Ukrainian Air Force.

haha! better i add 5k grn more and we spend them for girls, vine, sauna and rock'n'roll ) as pilots do

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Add me. And why not creating such an évent for infanteries ??

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

I bet 10 000 rph on Beyazz.

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Re: Aces High 1v1 Dogfight Cup 2016

Karlson you've been added. We need one more before I can start matching up people.

@Sommarel: there is an infantry 3v3 cup planned after this.