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SPEEDofPAIN

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lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Hi guys,
just played Bocage and unfortunately no admin there.
lopI Alvarez-Latino who I never had any problems with and who I really liked to play with in the past today base killed me, denied it but also replied "no admins, no rules". So other players acted like noobs too after that argument: base sniping, base bombing, stealing vehicles from base. I remember 2 names: Marcin Wierzbowski and querzu. Meanwhile player lopIjazzy showed up and Alvarez  mentioned him saying he is admin and I could tell him what happened. Which I didnt as they are in same clan so this would be useless. Some players including Jazzy switched/stacked so teams were very uneven and so absolutely ruined the game for me. I am very disappointed as I thought they were decent players but turns out I was wrong.

Last edited by SPEEDofPAIN (2024-11-18 17:28:34)

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

oh and what I forgot is: saying "heil hitler" when joining the game like Jazzy did today is disgusting and inappopriate to my opinion.

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Jazzy is not a Simple admin, he is a lop admin.

Arp273

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Full support to you SpeedofPain, this is absolutely not normal behavior. Thank you for reporting and sorry you have experienced this..

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Next time get video or pics or any proof (logs) and u could join the club good luck!

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Next time get video or pics or any proof (logs) and u could join the club good luck!

who told you that the chat wasnt being recorded during that time?

Last edited by ABAS (2024-11-19 11:48:43)

joint

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

oh and what I forgot is: saying "heil hitler" when joining the game

It's your first time mistake so I hope you will get no ban this, but next time please be more careful to the Hitler.

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

oh and what I forgot is: saying "heil hitler" when joining the game

It's your first time mistake so I hope you will get no ban this, but next time please be more careful to the Hitler.

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me apart from cutting my original  post like this which is not cool actually.

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Next time get video or pics or any proof (logs) and u could join the club good luck!

Unfortunately only a screenie of the uneven team.

And to make this clear, my intention is not to "join the club" or having any unneccessary arguments with people. First of all, I am far too old for childish stuff like that and secondly all I wish for is playing this wonderful game with nice ppl, having a good time after a stressful day at work. And it can only be fun for everyone when rules are being followed. Otherwise being too smallminded can also ruin a game. So lets just try and find a good way somewhere in the middle. Anyway things that happened that day were definately not acceptable.

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

oh and what I forgot is: saying "heil hitler" when joining the game like Jazzy did today is disgusting and inappopriate to my opinion.

Oh, I just got a pm from Alvarez : Jazzy said "Sieg Heil" instead of that above. My mistake, I apologize. But actually this isnt any better to be honest.

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Next time get video or pics or any proof (logs) and u could join the club good luck!

who told you that the chat wasnt being recorded during that time?

Plz then share it and bring justice!

Russian MadMax

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

This is a simple, where admins , who are considered guardians of order and law, commit such an outrage, preventing ordinary players from playing quietly making fun. How dare you inconvenience this nice girl? Pathetic brats. Dear Speedy do not pay attention to the garbage, enjoy the game, fortunately there are still decent people here. You will get protect, don’t worry.

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Next time get video or pics or any proof (logs) and u could join the club good luck!

who told you that the chat wasnt being recorded during that time?

Plz then share it and bring justice!

lop didn’t send you to =UF= yet?

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

It is nice to see another clan member getting away with his shit, again

joint

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

oh and what I forgot is: saying "heil hitler" when joining the game

It's your first time mistake so I hope you will get no ban this, but next time please be more careful to the Hitler.

I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me apart from cutting my original  post like this which is not cool actually.

Sorry the word Hitler triggers me to be like this.

Russian MadMax

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Peeeple stop fiiighting….
https://youtu.be/G0w8CEzMBrY?si=sxO9Y52gyJre5ri8

Millerke

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Hi All!
First off all, please everyone calm down and think about the situation.

@jazzy
2024-11-18 15:57:47 : # [Global] lop|jazzy: sieg heil
Jazzy, please in the future do not ack like this. On the one hand, it's not appropriate to say that, and on the other hand, an admin doesn't behave like that.
Thank you for your understanding!

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

The lop|Alvarez-Latino case will come soon.

Jazzy

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Hi, I don't teamstack. I switched teams 2 times in the end due to disconnecting players. After I switched to axis 2 allied players disconnected making the teams suddenly uneven. After I died I switched back to axis to balance it out.

The sieg heil was for latino. Last time I checked we had freedom of speech here. We can wait for Tuia's input on this if you wish.

Sorry for late reply, but please try to move on.

Paul Baumer

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Meanwhile player lopIjazzy showed up and Alvarez  mentioned him saying he is admin and I could tell him what happened. Which I didnt as they are in same clan so this would be useless.

Sorry but you made a bad choice assuming that admins treat players based on their clan tag because that shall never be the case unless the contrary is proven. May I ask you what made you think that? I can recall Jazzy using his rights long time ago to kick Latino when it was necessary. You should have asked for Jazzy's assistance and then if he didnt provide it, report it here.
The teams are very dynamic at early morning hours when that situation happened cause some players tend to disconnect, so situation shown on your screenshot is not unusual however our admins do not teamstack - they usually switch to a weaker team which I am sure jazzy did as soon he had noticed that. We could look into deep server logs to confirm that if you want.
And yes, that comment "no admin no rules" as a reaction to your complain is classic from Latino who is known for trolling but I didn't see him breaking rules in a while. I doubt he would attack main base, unless its an active target shooting from main base(I remind you that rules allow to shoot any player or vehicle that is firing from main base). I also heard Latino contacted you in private to sort this situation out.

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Meanwhile player lopIjazzy showed up and Alvarez  mentioned him saying he is admin and I could tell him what happened. Which I didnt as they are in same clan so this would be useless.

Sorry but you made a bad choice assuming that admins treat players based on their clan tag because that shall never be the case unless the contrary is proven. May I ask you what made you think that? I can recall Jazzy using his rights long time ago to kick Latino when it was necessary. You should have asked for Jazzy's assistance and then if he didnt provide it, report it here.
The teams are very dynamic at early morning hours when that situation happened cause some players tend to disconnect, so situation shown on your screenshot is not unusual however our admins do not teamstack - they usually switch to a weaker team which I am sure jazzy did as soon he had noticed that. We could look into deep server logs to confirm that if you want.
And yes, that comment "no admin no rules" as a reaction to your complain is classic from Latino who is known for trolling but I didn't see him breaking rules in a while. I doubt he would attack main base, unless its an active target shooting from main base(I remind you that rules allow to shoot any player or vehicle that is firing from main base). I also heard Latino contacted you in private to sort this situation out.

When Jazzy joined the game and Latino told me to report what happened, tell me why didn't Jazzy show interest and ask me? He didn't and by the way switched FROM my team TO the other.
By saying you don't think Latino would base attack means you think I lie? Why should I? I have no reason plus I lnow the rules. I was still inside the base with my tank and didn't shoot at the plane.
Yes Latino and I contacted and we talked about it.

I play fair and follow the rules and I expect the same from others, no matter if they have clan tags and think they are anything better than normal players.

Jazzy

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Meanwhile player lopIjazzy showed up and Alvarez  mentioned him saying he is admin and I could tell him what happened. Which I didnt as they are in same clan so this would be useless.

Sorry but you made a bad choice assuming that admins treat players based on their clan tag because that shall never be the case unless the contrary is proven. May I ask you what made you think that? I can recall Jazzy using his rights long time ago to kick Latino when it was necessary. You should have asked for Jazzy's assistance and then if he didnt provide it, report it here.
The teams are very dynamic at early morning hours when that situation happened cause some players tend to disconnect, so situation shown on your screenshot is not unusual however our admins do not teamstack - they usually switch to a weaker team which I am sure jazzy did as soon he had noticed that. We could look into deep server logs to confirm that if you want.
And yes, that comment "no admin no rules" as a reaction to your complain is classic from Latino who is known for trolling but I didn't see him breaking rules in a while. I doubt he would attack main base, unless its an active target shooting from main base(I remind you that rules allow to shoot any player or vehicle that is firing from main base). I also heard Latino contacted you in private to sort this situation out.

When Jazzy joined the game and Latino told me to report what happened, tell me why didn't Jazzy show interest and ask me? He didn't and by the way switched FROM my team TO the other.
By saying you don't think Latino would base attack means you think I lie? Why should I? I have no reason plus I lnow the rules. I was still inside the base with my tank and didn't shoot at the plane.
Yes Latino and I contacted and we talked about it.

I play fair and follow the rules and I expect the same from others, no matter if they have clan tags and think they are anything better than normal players.

2024-11-18 15:57:39 : # [Global] lop|Alvarez-Latino: jazzy is admin
2024-11-18 15:57:42 : # [Global] Eggs: hehe
2024-11-18 15:57:47 : # [Global] lop|jazzy: sieg heil

This is the part when I joined the game. I had no idea of any previous incident and I only change teams to balance the game, thank you!

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Sorry but you made a bad choice assuming that admins treat players based on their clan tag because that shall never be the case unless the contrary is proven. May I ask you what made you think that? I can recall Jazzy using his rights long time ago to kick Latino when it was necessary. You should have asked for Jazzy's assistance and then if he didnt provide it, report it here.
The teams are very dynamic at early morning hours when that situation happened cause some players tend to disconnect, so situation shown on your screenshot is not unusual however our admins do not teamstack - they usually switch to a weaker team which I am sure jazzy did as soon he had noticed that. We could look into deep server logs to confirm that if you want.
And yes, that comment "no admin no rules" as a reaction to your complain is classic from Latino who is known for trolling but I didn't see him breaking rules in a while. I doubt he would attack main base, unless its an active target shooting from main base(I remind you that rules allow to shoot any player or vehicle that is firing from main base). I also heard Latino contacted you in private to sort this situation out.

When Jazzy joined the game and Latino told me to report what happened, tell me why didn't Jazzy show interest and ask me? He didn't and by the way switched FROM my team TO the other.
By saying you don't think Latino would base attack means you think I lie? Why should I? I have no reason plus I lnow the rules. I was still inside the base with my tank and didn't shoot at the plane.
Yes Latino and I contacted and we talked about it.

I play fair and follow the rules and I expect the same from others, no matter if they have clan tags and think they are anything better than normal players.

2024-11-18 15:57:39 : # [Global] lop|Alvarez-Latino: jazzy is admin
2024-11-18 15:57:42 : # [Global] Eggs: hehe
2024-11-18 15:57:47 : # [Global] lop|jazzy: sieg heil

This is the part when I joined the game. I had no idea of any previous incident and I only change teams to balance the game, thank you!

Yes and as I wrote before, you should maybe read more carefully, you didnt show any interest of what happened after Latino mentioned you to be admin. What I meant is you could have asked. Thank you.

And no, you switched to the other team right before I took the screenshot.

Paul Baumer

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Excuse me but didn't you just say:

Meanwhile player lopIjazzy showed up and Alvarez  mentioned him saying he is admin and I could tell him what happened. Which I didnt as they are in same clan so this would be useless.

So how is it jazzy's fault that you made an assumption and didn't even try to ask for his help based purely on your assumption?
Also admins can't be expected to read the chat that was going on before they joined, although we have some tools to read past chat we check those mostly based on reports, and if you don't report it how would an admin be aware of that?
Look I understand that you didn't feel protected by the rules and sorry about that, but if you don't ask for admins assistance admins may not notice the disruptive situation in game so you shall always go for a report. You can get a fast answer in our discord server by using #support button, admins will get a notification in real time. And collecting screenshots and videos is recommended too, with evidence every disruption will be appropriately punished.

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

Excuse me but didn't you just say:

Meanwhile player lopIjazzy showed up and Alvarez  mentioned him saying he is admin and I could tell him what happened. Which I didnt as they are in same clan so this would be useless.

So how is it jazzy's fault that you made an assumption and didn't even try to ask for his help based purely on your assumption?
Also admins can't be expected to read the chat that was going on before they joined, although we have some tools to read past chat we check those mostly based on reports, and if you don't report it how would an admin be aware of that?
Look I understand that you didn't feel protected by the rules and sorry about that, but if you don't ask for admins assistance admins may not notice the disruptive situation in game so you shall always go for a report. You can get a fast answer in our discord server by using #support button, admins will get a notification in real time. And collecting screenshots and videos is recommended too, with evidence every disruption will be appropriately punished.

The only thing I criticise in Jazzy's case is the switching thing.  And I didn't take it serious when Latino told me to ask Jazzy for help cause the fact he did this has let me think he felt safe cause nothing would happen to him. I thought he was just provoking me and I also actually didn't know he was admin.

Paul Baumer

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

But are you sure Jazzy didnt switch to balance teams? because when players come and go at certain hours of the day, the balance changes severely. He might have swithed to a weaker team but then 2-3 players left his previous team plus someone else joined opposite team and boom no balance again

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

But are you sure Jazzy didnt switch to balance teams? because when players come and go at certain hours of the day, the balance changes severely. He might have swithed to a weaker team but then 2-3 players left his previous team plus someone else joined opposite team and boom no balance again

Well you know I started playing this game nearly 20 yrs ago, sure with breaks now and then but I made my experiences with loads of different people and situations and I think I can sort things and evaluate them.
I reported what happened and some believe me, some may not.

SPEEDofPAIN

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Re: lop Alvarez-Latino and others

I think the case can be closed,  all is said and at least Latino and I sorted it out. I'm fine with this.