The bombing of Dresden: February 13-15, 1945

Dionysus · 2020-02-15 04:31:47

The guy at first video gives most precise details of Dresden bombings.. I'm surprised that he's video is not deleted yet, since ''victors'' are hiding the truth about their crimes.

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Zatoichi · 2020-02-15 10:30:21

Check and mate

Dresden was an easily justified target.

There are a lot of myths built up around this particular raid. For instance one myth is it wasn't a military target. Not only was it a military target it was an important one:

The Allies generally restricted their bombings to industrial targets. When it was becoming apparent bombing industrial targets was of limited utility they adopted a strategy late in the war of targeting communication and transportation. Dresden was an important communication and transportation hub. This strategy was more effective. If the enemy cannot move their munitions then they have no value. This is why you see films of German locomotives being shot up and this is why Dresden became an important target.

However Dresden was also a manufacturing center.

Dresden was Germany's seventh-largest city and, according to the RAF at the time, the largest remaining unbombed built-up area. Taylor writes that an official 1942 guide to the city described it as "one of the foremost industrial locations of the Reich" and in 1944 the German Army High Command's Weapons Office listed 127 medium-to-large factories and workshops that were supplying the army with materiel. Nonetheless, according to some historians, the contribution of Dresden to the German war effort may not have been as significant as the planners thought

The US Air Force Historical Division wrote a report in response to the international concern about the bombing - the report remained classified until December 1978. This said that there were 110 factories and 50,000 workers in the city supporting the German war effort at the time of the raid. According to the report, there were aircraft components factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabrik Goye and Company); an anti-aircraft and field gun factory (Lehman); an optical goods factory (Zeiss Ikon AG); as well as factories producing electrical and X-ray apparatus (Koch & Sterzel AG); gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke); and electric gauges (Gebrüder Bassler). It also said there were barracks, hutted camps, and a munitions storage depot.

The USAF report also states that two of Dresden's traffic routes were of military importance: north-south from Germany to Czechoslovakia, and east-west along the central European uplands. The city was at the junction of the Berlin-Prague-Vienna railway line, as well as the Munich-Breslau, and Hamburg-Leipzig lines. Colonel Harold E. Cook, a US POW held in the Friedrichstadt marshaling yard the night before the attacks, later said that "I saw with my own eyes that Dresden was an armed camp: thousands of German troops, tanks and artillery and miles of freight cars loaded with supplies supporting and transporting German logistics towards the east to meet the Russians".

The RAF gave this explanation:

RAF briefing note to it’s squadrons, about the attack on Dresden “With refugees pouring westward and troops to be rested, roofs are at a premium…Dresden has developed into an industrial city of first-class importance…its multiplicity of telephones and rail facilities is of major value for controlling the defence of that part of the front now threatened by Marshall Konevs offensive…The intention of the attack are to hit the enemy where he will feel it most, behind an already collapsed front …and incidentally to show the Russians when they arrive what bomber command can do” That’s out of the book Armageddon, the battle for Germany 1944–45 by Max Hastings. Simply the women and children of Dresden lived in the wrong place at the wrong time. A city that was important for the upcoming Russian offensive, and they lived in a country which had been responsible for causing 6 years of war, millions of deaths in Russia, the bombing of Britain in places like London, Coventry and also the Holocaust, they where unsurprisingly shown no mercy.

Another myth is 200,000 German civilians died. That number is based on a propaganda release from Germany and is fake news. The number is 25,000 according the city of Dresden estimates. More recent research came up with estimates that are even lower.

Large variations in the claimed death toll have fueled the controversy. In March 1945, the German government ordered its press to publish a falsified casualty figure of 200,000 for the Dresden raids, and death toll estimates as high as 500,000 have been given. The city authorities at the time estimated no more than 25,000 victims, a figure that subsequent investigations supported, including a 2010 study commissioned by the city council.

One problem was, as inaccurate as WWII bombing raids were, the situation was exacerbated by a cloud cover that was so bad German fighters were grounded. In other words the bombers missed their primary targets.

Many of these myths have been propagated by David Irving, a discredited holocaust denier and pro-Nazi British author. He is famous for a lawsuit he lost when the liberties he took with historical fact was brought to light. In other words he is a known liar. The trial is immortalized in the movie Denial.

The outcome of the trial ruined both his reputation and his life.

Vojislav · 2020-02-15 14:17:36

Sorry for off topic ,but Merl u used god damn fullstop
I suppose this text was copy paste )

Dionysus · 2020-02-15 17:54:32

@ Merlin Monroe

Dresden was not legit military target, it didn't have any significant military structures, it had army garnison of around 15-20 000, something that Soviets could overrun in 3 days max.
Further more number of refugees was around 500 000, German civilians that were running from the east.
Now, city residents were numbering around 150 000.
Where do u think that those 500 000 refugees could hide?
There was not enough shelters for that number of ppl.
Bcs of that and bcs of the fact that allied used high explosive bombs + incendiary phosphorus, number of civilian casualties was very high.
Between 300 000 to 400 000 dead civilians.
Allies knew it and intentionally wanted to kill as many as possible, mainly Churchil's idea.. to kill as many Germans as possible, in this case CIVILIANS.
Mos of the victims were women and children and elderly ppl, man were on the front or dead by that time.

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Arkos · 2020-02-15 18:19:16

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What you think happends in a escalated war?

The germans started with this and believe me, if they would have had the possibility they would have done the same.

The target was to shock the german people.

Btw. Who you think died in those concentration camps. Bots?

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AlboBallist · 2020-02-15 18:33:06

Arkos wrote:

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What you think happends in a escalated war?
The germans started with this and believe me, if they would have had the possibility they would have done the same.
The target was to shock the german people.
Btw. Who you think died in those concentration camps. Bots?
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Nazis are stupid, but seeing a [such] nazi talk about human rights is even more stupid.

Dionysus · 2020-02-15 22:02:56

Arkos wrote:

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What you think happends in a escalated war?
The germans started with this and believe me, if they would have had the possibility they would have done the same.
The target was to shock the german people.
Btw. Who you think died in those concentration camps. Bots?
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Were u living in period prior WWII and were u included as member of political elite of that time?
No - u were not.
So, how can u know what exactly happened, as in who started it all.

Yes, Germans could have flattened London with the ground at early stage of WWII, but they didn't want it, Hitler considered English ppl to be very similar to Germans, that's why he never wanted open conflict with them.
U need to remember that Britain declared war on Germany, not other way around.
Hitler just wanted Britain to withdraw from WWII, which they refused.
He should have unleashed those 4,5 million soldiers on Britain instead of SSSR, when he had chance for it.
History would be very different now.

Also remember that Britain was colonial force no. 1 at that time, bully of it's time.
Until few months into war when it was shown that they are actually only good in enslaving/killing Africans, Indians and Chinese.
How many ppl did Britain empire killed before WWII even started?

Dresden destruction was Churchil's idea and it was not meant to ''shock'' German ppl, it's target was to kill as many as possible before WWII ends.
When u want to shock someone u drop shock bombs on him, and not phosphorus incendiary bombs.. they melt even concrete, once it touches ur skin u can't remove it, it burns through skin and bones, only way to remove it is to slice of that part of skin.

It was genocide same as concentration camps.
Don't see an issue in u ''anti-nazis'' admitting it.

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Zatoichi · 2020-02-15 22:57:00

Its like the whole holocaust denial, nazi apologist brainwashing just blocks out the fact that these idiots were publicly discredited and countered sued in court for besmirching the truth means nothing to this idiot, oh but allies this, oh but nazis weren't REALLy doing this or did this many war crimes for this many allegedly justified reasons
you are brick wall of denial

jorgen · 2020-02-15 23:15:39

there is some controversial history about churchil and india. he needed indians to join the army and the war. but the indians did not want to join. at the time there was a famine in east india, bengal area. churchhil ordered fields to be burned so they had to join the army. thus killing more ppl than died in ww2

Arkos · 2020-02-15 23:51:00

AlboBallist wrote:

Nazis are stupid, but seeing a [such] nazi talk about human rights is even more stupid.

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The first victim at the beginning of a war are the human rights.

Btw. I have a historical view on this. It's not about "Anti-Something".

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Btw. Just look once at this list (Sroll a bit down)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tote_des_ … eltkrieges

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

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arijevac · 2020-02-16 20:02:31

Arkos wrote:

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What you think happends in a escalated war?
The germans started with this and believe me, if they would have had the possibility they would have done the same.
The target was to shock the german people.
Btw. Who you think died in those concentration camps. Bots?
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German started? This is a true example of a brainwashed person from the west. The war was started by the British and the French! Go back to school

The greatest criminals, occupiers and colonizers in the world are the British and the French. In the future, they will pay a high price for that. Immigrants from colonial countries will eat them in their own countries

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Is this Africa or France?

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Arkos · 2020-02-16 22:52:09

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Whatever you smoked, you should stop!

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Your view is somehow the same as if i would come to your place, occupy your half house, and then the police are the bad guys because they want to put me out of your house.

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arijevac · 2020-02-16 23:40:57

Arkos wrote:

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Whatever you smoked, you should stop!
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Your view is somehow the same as if i would come to your place, occupy your half house, and then the police are the bad guys because they want to put me out of your house.
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I said GO BACK TO SCHOOL!!!

First Gdansk is a German house (historical german territory). Second, since when are the british and french world cops? Third, why did these world police officers not respond in 1945. against the occupation of the USSR, for the same house for which they opened the gates of hell in 1939.?

Tell me little smart swiss boy????

arijevac · 2020-02-16 23:49:54

It's very funny for me when men from Western Europe (who dropped their balls 50 years ago) talk about war, democracy, communism, fascism and Nazism. Go brush your eyebrows and put on lip gloss. You must be beautiful and ready to have sex with migrants. Wash your ass and prepare a lubricant

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jorgen · 2020-02-17 00:13:04

the whole thing started with the colonization. germany was lacking behind france and england. ww1 started with diplomatic misunderstandings. ww2 started with a germany with broken back. the first casualty in a war is the truth.
very simplistic

arijevac · 2020-02-17 00:27:01

jorgen wrote:

the whole thing started with the colonization. germany was lacking behind france and england. ww1 started with diplomatic misunderstandings. ww2 started with a germany with broken back. the first casualty in a war is the truth.
very simplistic

The stupid liberal youtube won't let me put up a video where Adolf Hitler talks about the UK, their democracy and how Germany it offers peace, but they refuse. Hitler explained that he wanted to spare his people the war, he did not want war, he wanted to build a strong economic and social state. Stupid drunk Churchill (fat pig) ruined everything.

"Mr. Churchill may ignore my peace proposal again and consider it my weakness, but my conscience will be pure in things to come." - Adolf Hitler (summer 1940.)

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Arkos · 2020-02-17 11:54:12

arijevac wrote:

Go brush your eyebrows and put on lip gloss. You must be beautiful and ready to have sex with migrants.
Wash your ass and prepare a lubricant

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Are you talking from this i guess

http://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic. … 45#p151645

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Arkos · 2020-02-17 22:52:06

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Dionysus · 2020-02-17 23:22:30

Arkos wrote:

arijevac wrote:
Go brush your eyebrows and put on lip gloss. You must be beautiful and ready to have sex with migrants.
Wash your ass and prepare a lubricant
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Are you talking from this i guess
http://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic. … 45#p151645
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Arijevac, I think that Arkos really liked ur dirty talk and he wants more of it.. like bondage and stuff. Ahahahaha!

Be careful what u write, gay population is on every corner.

arijevac · 2020-02-18 00:54:08

Dionysus wrote:

Arijevac, I think that Arkos really liked ur dirty talk and he wants more of it.. like bondage and stuff. Ahahahaha!
Be careful what u write, gay population is on every corner.

ahahahaha maybe, but I love vaginas

I know bro, a lot people like latino and merlin are around us. I hope so Arkos is not one of them

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Arkos · 2020-02-18 04:32:08

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Both of you did not understand how it was meant or, (i bet), you just do so

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