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I really don't care what you believe or not. I've dealt with online attacks in my professional life from technically skilled people who actually had the capacity and followed through. The ISP abuse processes generally work if you follow through, have a documented case, and are respectful.
my sidebar - I see you've completely forgotten about our discussion in TS yesterday, where I strongly encouraged you to try a totally different tact. (I believe that's what's best for everyone.) Instead of just going for it, you blew it off. THAT was my first inclination: to un-mute you despite our years of bad history and try to see if there was any room to sort this out in a better way. The rest of us are here to play. You've taken something that could have been settled with a beer and some b****ing between you and Tookie in TS and turned it into a thermo-nuclear war. I'm simply letting the potential victims of this circus know that if they choose they are not captive to this crazy-a** bullshit.
A note for Team-Simple...
If I were a team-simple owner/admin I would run a netwhois on some of the documented IPs you have and initiate contact with the abuse departments for IceBag$' ISP(s). You will need to do this in writing and simply report the threat activity without getting into opinions. You really have more than you need in this thread alone by most standards to at least initiate the abuse complaint process with any major ISP.
Additionally, strictly from the perspective of an IT professional, the threatened attacks would violate multiple federal laws. Such occurrences can be reported to the proper authorities using the methods at the Department of Justice Computer Crimes link below. Direct victims and, in many cases, even third parties can file complaints and receive assistance. Though the threats seem like a whimsical bullshit temper tantrum, if anything happens I'd strongly encourage everyone affected to file appropriate complaints. Considering a full description of the prospective crime and plenty of IP information is available, my guess is this would be quite track-able by the concerned agencies. While the threats sound like a sick delusional fantasy, the potential criminal and civil liabilities from such dubious action are quite real.
IceBag$, you clearly have your hands full here so I'll try to only respond to your comment directed at me:
You're wrong. I've grown tired of your incredibly nasty comments in TS and game about me every time I play (for the last 10+ years.) You're wrong for thinking that anyone in game is subject to your opinion on anything and for flipping out when they disregard it. You're wrong in your nearly violent self-righteous sense of command over me, and everyone else in the game for that matter, which is horribly misconceived and frankly a bummer. I avoid you in general because it makes my game more enjoyable overall. It's just that simple. You're wrong to think it matters how good you (or your friends) think you are. It doesn't justify your attitude and treatment of me. You want to talk about tactics? You've used TS to cross-locate me, and you've glitched for kills. You TK people out of convenience, and more. I've seen it. Just because you can do this stuff and rack up some stats doesn't give you some kind of god award to match your apparent complex. You're wrong about why I'm here - I come on the game for fun. I didn't realize that I'd signed up for IceBag$' ultimate BF42 tournament. There again, I doubt ANYONE was aware they'd signed up for it, except for maybe you. Sometimes I just want to steal a damn plane (if it's legal.) Sometimes I place gold, sometimes I don't. I generally tend to help as best as I can. Sometimes I just have shitty games because I'm human, not a self-anointed deity like you. You're wrong about my teamplay. Plenty of people have teamed up with me, you're just not one of them. You're so wrong about all of this and yet you're right about one thing - there are a handful of people that, over the last 10+ years, I'm not interested in wasting time with in game and unfortunately you've become one of them. If I treated you the way you treat me and others, would you want to team up with me or chat? Seriously. Some people feel that I'm not worth their time and that's there prerogative. You don't see me acting like I own people or that they owe me anything because of it.
Good luck resolving your other larger issue here. I'll stay clear of that. If you end up back this way and you want to try to resolve OUR issues message me. It doesn't seem likely but I'm not closed to the idea.
Oh yeah! I misread it - my bad!
I'm not here to pile-on IceBag$ and I had no stake in this originally. But since I may have been called-out, I had a reply for Janet-Reno. Anyone getting the "lonewolf treatment" you describe from me, I assure you, has earned it. I chat & play with exponentially far more folks than the tiny group I won't. My door is always open for change with the smallest sign of good faith (including cold miller lite.) The alternative to this approach is vastly more inconsiderate of others in TS or server. ![]()
Well whatever it was it self-healed. I had a go-around with Comcast yesterday too. They're not supposed to be remote managing the router they supplied, but it looks like they changed firewall settings when they upgraded firmware. They blocked all kindsa chat, P2P, and all UDP. Thankfully I'll be on my own equipment soon. ON the host side, I have a route past the drop-off hop from yesterday. NO idea about that one. But, all is well now!
It looks like my connection drops off after hop 13 now. I'm believe this wasn't the case before the recent server outage a few days ago. Was something changed with the service provider (routing?) I'm using Comcast, a typical US ISP. I wonder if my subnet is blocked or not routing properly across the pond. Could one of the Team-Simple tech folks that worked on the recent changes take a look at this and chime in? Does anyone else stateside have a tracert to compare?
Tracing route to team-simple.fr [188.165.220.115]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms REDACTED
2 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms REDACTED
3 8 ms 9 ms 8 ms REDACTED
4 12 ms 13 ms 11 ms REDACTED
5 15 ms 18 ms 15 ms REDACTED
6 20 ms 23 ms 24 ms be-10102-cr01.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.85.26]
7 22 ms 22 ms 20 ms be-10203-cr02.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.85.54]
8 20 ms 21 ms 21 ms he-0-14-0-1-pe03.111eighthave.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.84.246]
9 19 ms 21 ms 20 ms 198.27.73.61
10 44 ms * 57 ms nwk-20-6k.nj.us [178.32.135.57]
11 49 ms 50 ms 48 ms nwk-5-a9.nj.us [192.99.146.96]
12 127 ms 131 ms 131 ms ldn-5-a9.uk.eu [178.32.135.231]
13 129 ms 129 ms 129 ms rbx-g2-a9.fr.eu [91.121.128.88]
14 * * * Request timed out.
Continued...
30 * * * Request timed out.
I'm trying to connect to TS, which worked just the other day and it's stating : connection failed.
I'm using the IP, but the name has the same result. It's almost as if my IP is blocked? Any ideas? Thanks!
Oh jeez Dink. I explained it already. If you won't accept what I said, riding me about it isnt going to fix that. I'm not even sure what you're getting at?! (Who cares that I accidentally joined your server while tabbing in and out of Battlefield. Someone there booted me for AFK, which makes sense. I didn't rejoin because I didn't realize I had joined in the first place.) This isn't some kind of conspiracy?! im going to pass on the 'schoolboy error' jab and just say that your posts seem unnecessarily vindictive. Since the TS confusion is resolved, this is my last response on this thread. It really shouldn't have gone this long already and I appreciate the patience of folks in the forum. If you want to discuss your issues with me, hit me up in TS or message me. That's the best I can offer. Otherwise, we can dust this all off again next time I have to post about something and repeat the cycle for another 12 years.
Twigs just the facts please. I wish you had been abducted by aliens years ago. ![]()
PitViper - Thanks for the reply. Gotcha!
So what happened yesterday in TS is reversed? Thanks. Shame I couldn't get that clarity without a public lynching and veiled threats. Start a thread if you want. If I see something that happened **here**, and it bears explanation I'll happily chime in or apologize if I need to. I'm not above that. What happened in Dinks server 5 years ago happened there 5 years ago. Can't change it. I'm not perfect, and others here aren't either. But I've had no significant issues here, MG, or planet fun in a while. I just asked to be treated fairly with the same consideration as anyone else. Now I'm dubious as to what the future holds since I dared to speak up in this case and got this response. Thanks though.
I find it fascinating that a thread questioning Flick's clear abuse of admin in TS has now been redirected into a discussion about me that has nothing to do with the events in TS at all. So I come here, politely in good faith, to seek clarification of my leeway in TS, and you turn this into a referendum on me? on issues that had nothing to do with the TS incident? It's interesting that you use the thread hijack as a means to passively threaten me with kicks and bans. This is what you (and dink) wanted I imagine. Your threats and pile-ons from folks not involved will NOT deter me from asking for someone (without a bias) to please review this and assist. The facts about my complaint regarding TS are clear. I'm respectfully asking for assistance on that issue from someone who can be both objective and mature about it. I have NO history HERE, and I'm asking for the same fair treatmentg that you'd give anyone else. Nothing more. Dink, Your attempts to stop from happening say much more about you than me.
Isn't it curious that these other issues by Flick and Dink weren't enough of a problem to issue to kick, ban, or create a single post about until I posted a clear legitimate abuse compaint on Flick? That's curious. Now **suddenly** Dink and Flick are determined to have a witch-hunt. In the meanwhile, I'm bumping this and disregarding anything not related to my complaint about the **isolated** abuse in TS that led me here. The FACT is that I have NOT been noteably kicked or banned for the above listed stuff. Oh an Dink, I did afk earlier by accident (not reallizing that I'd double clicked before coming to the forums.) Not everything is a sinister plot as you would like it to appear. The afk was just a simple goof. Must you really be so misleading and twist everything to your purposes? Please save your agenda and start another thread about those issues, which by and large, have NOT been in simple as I've enjoyed playing with various OTHER admin without issues. It's clear you two have laid the groundwork for your "complaints' in this thread - again, which weren't a noteable issue until I made a clear valid compaint about something unrelated - to become the pretext for all kinds of interesting activity in the future. I have no history here other than a valid complaint of abuse, and I'll be waiting for a response from somone that doesn't go off on a tangent of personal attacks or include thinly veiled threats. That behavior further validates my decision to not communicate with either of you casually. Oddly enough, I know from my chats with other admin in TS that there are plenty of other more reasonable admin in Team-Simple. I'll standby.
Dink the truth is that you're another person I just choose not to chat or associate with. You pretend you're friendly only long enough to take a back stab/shot at me. This really has nothing to do with you or your server etc at all. The issue here is simple - do I have the ability to avoid issues and choose who I chat with or not. I'm actually being criticized by you for NOT wanting to fight and argue. It's nearly laughable. I've taken the time to respectfully explain my rationalle as clearly as possible. Meanwhile, you've taken potshots from the sidelines on an issue that really doesn't even involve you, and certainly not to help resolve anything. There are certainly some folks on Simple 1942 that would speak up that I play hard to help them in game and like to have a good time. Your assumptions and accusations are biased and false. I just met a new friend in the last 48hrs in TS by.. chatting lol! Your opinions of me are limited to your ideas. What you're doing here, because you have no interest in the actualities of this issue, is targeting me. It's unfair, spiteful, and completely transparent. Please allow us to settle this specific issue and not drag every item on your list of complaints about me into it - that would likely take the rest of the year to resolve.
My understanding is the server can be both privately operated and also be a public server. The implication is that users would converse and behave based on norms of regular conversation. Typically public servers have a low threshold of management responsibilty and rules for a reason: It's a hassle to be the chat police (especially for volunteers) and you want the public to enjoy the experience and feel somewhat unrestricted. Imagine if you would, that it were a public square or park. There are rules, but they are minimally invasive. In a public server, I should have the ability to reasonably avoid hostile conversations and confrontation as I would in any other public venue - at least until things cool off. Importantly, it's not in my interests to join chat just to block people (and that's not what happened here either.) I would rather focus on having fun and meeting people who want to be friendly in return. But I don't want our inability to get along to boil over into a huge disruption for others in TS. If I am forced to listen, as a captive to more insults, I would eventually do what any normal person would do - I'd respond. Instead, I tried to shut down the problem and create some space. I didn't want to give up on the experience of meeting and chatting with other Simple 1942 players altogether by leaving. It appeared to be working out until all of this unfolded yesterday.
All of the extra folks with unrelated comments chiming-in aren't relevant to the issue here. I will not be directly responding to them further. The fact that there are players I won't play (because of their own history or tactics) or that I've had issues in other servers in my 12+ years of playing the game is immaterial. By that standard, Flick (who brought up those red herrings earlier) wouldn't be here either. The fact that this other junk was brought up is an open invite for a pile-on and a diversion from the core issue. It's a tool to discourage people from speaking up when they should.
I was banned after hours of use of TS. I was not banned for not speaking, and I can have someone verify that upon request. I can name three players that I spoke with throughout the day. And I was literally banned mid sentence with a player who could easily verify this. Flick's insistance that I was lurking is disingenuous at best. His problem is that I won't engage in conversation with him and Icebag$. Why would I? They have been directly insulting to me multiple times since I first tried out TS, including yesterday as they were discussing me with other players. At that point I was simply playing the game! What am I to do, interrupt them calling me names and ask them about the weather? I chose to block them due to their behavior, and have great chats with other more reasonable players. That should be my choice, I shouldn't be bullied into listening to them insult me and then be forced to converse with them as if nothing is happening... Or reply to their crazy insulting interrogations.
Reno are you the senior admin making a decision on this? If so I will gladly respect your decision, though I believe it doesn't fully consider what's been happening. If not, I will continue to wait for further assistance or for you to reconsider. I find it hard to imagine that team-simple would want admins banning people simply because they choose to not engage in distracting nasty arguments in TS.
This complaint is not about Icebag$, more about what I'm being forced to tolerate in TS by Flick and what freedom I have to chat or not with who I want - politely - and in good fun. I have absolutely not been lurking unless others were afk.
I've not had any such conversation with PitViper (to my recollection?!) and you banned me while I was actively chatting with two other people. (a player can easily verify I was removed literally mid-sentence in a conversation with them) You have been harassing me for not chatting with you as you dictate. When you do not demand that from anyone else. I'm not playing games either, because I'm wasting time with your random absurd targeted power trips. I've been in TS all day multiple times. The only time there's been a problem is when? When you came on. I have no confidence in a fair or reasonable answer from you. I do not care to go back and forth with you further. I'll wait patiently for assistance from a senior admin, thanks.
(Thanks Alek, sorry for the drama. I didn't name other names because I don't want to drag other peeps into this mess. Perhaps another time.)
The ban...
<22:37:49> "PusherMan" connected to channel "General Chat"
<22:41:37> "[Flick] Flick" switched from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "General Chat"
<22:41:37> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "[Flick] Flick" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:41:48> "[Flick] Flick" switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<22:41:48> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "[Flick] Flick" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:43:18> "Snowball" switched from channel "AFK" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<22:43:18> Channel group "Channel Admin" was assigned to "Snowball" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:43:46> "[IceBag$] IceBag$" was moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)" by "[Flick] Flick"
<22:43:46> Channel group "Channel Admin" [Inherited from: SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942] was assigned to "[IceBag$] IceBag$" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:43:48> "Snowball" was moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)" by "[Flick] Flick"
<22:43:48> Channel group "Channel Admin" [Inherited from: SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942] was assigned to "Snowball" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:43:50> "[Flick] Flick" switched from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)"
<22:43:50> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "[Flick] Flick" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:43:52> "[Flick] Flick" switched from channel "Blue(Allies)" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<22:43:52> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "[Flick] Flick" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:44:09> "[Flick] Flick" switched from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)"
<22:44:09> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "[Flick] Flick" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<22:44:38> You were banned permanently from the server by "[Flick] Flick" (Creeping the channel)
<22:44:38> Disconnected from server
The first event...
<20:55:48> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "General Chat" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:55:48> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:02> You switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:02> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:13> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "General Chat" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:13> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:15> You switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:15> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:35> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "General Chat" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:35> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:36> You switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:36> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:41> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:41> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:43> You switched from channel "Blue(Allies)" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:43> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:45> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "AFK" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:45> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:46> You switched from channel "AFK" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:46> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:48> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "General Chat" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:48> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:50> You switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:50> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:52> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:52> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:53> You switched from channel "Blue(Allies)" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:53> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:57> You were moved from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" to "Blue(Allies)" by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:56:57> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:56:57> You switched from channel "Blue(Allies)" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:56:57> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:57:14> You were kicked from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" by "[IceBag$] IceBag$" (don't creep)
<20:57:14> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:57:16> You switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:57:16> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:57:34> You were kicked from channel "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942" by "[Flick] Flick" (if you want to have a conversation your more than welcome to come back)
<20:57:34> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
<20:57:58> You were kicked from the server by "[Flick] Flick"
<20:57:58> Disconnected from server
<20:58:02> Trying to connect to server on 188.165.220.115
<20:58:03> Welcome to SiMPLE's TeamSpeak 3 server! Enjoy your stay.
<20:58:03> Connected to Server: "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3"
<20:58:47> You switched from channel "General Chat" to "SiMPLE USA Battlefield 1942"
<20:58:47> Channel group "Guest" was assigned to "LoneWolf-McQuade" by "SiMPLE | TeamSpeak 3".
-Simple USA BF1942 Server
-Admin Flick
Hello,
I'm sorry that this has to be my first post here, but I'm seeking some assistance from a senior admin if possible. I'm sorry for the length of this, but I want to capture everything while it's fresh in my mind:
I've been having a good time playing your server for a while now! I've also been in TS with several of your players and admin. It's been cool getting to know some of you (apparently from all around the world.) That said there is history between Flick (his friend Icebag$) and myself. For several years I felt the wrath of their constant targeting and harassment in other servers. I'm sure they have opinions of me as well - suffice it to say we don't get along. I decided it was more fun to play 42 and better for everyone if I simply ignored them in chat and avoided them as much as possible. That's basically how I've tried to operate for the last couple years in that regard.
I first started on Simple's TS months back & I'd been on for several hours when Flick and his friend came into chat. They immediately started calling me douchebag and some other stuff. When someone pointed out I was there, they laughed said 'ooops' and continued. Since I was there for fun, I blocked the both of them that session. I didn't want to bother defending myself/arguing, I wanted to just play. This passive aggressive junk has gone on for a few weeks now, so I made the blocks permanent after a few more instances. Today, after hours of playing and chatting with others without any issues, I said out loud "ah wtf Flick just rammed my tank and blocked me up, grrr" (something short like that). My damaged tank was destroyed and I moved on to other stuff. Then I was moved in TS. I looked and saw Flick had joined. I moved back and was was repeatedly moved away. Eventually I was kicked. I noticed in the log that both Flick and Icebag$ were responsible for these events. Eventually I unblocked Flick. He was bent out of shape because of the comment I made. We had an unfortunate exchange where I voiced that he was being abusive over a benign game comment. Despite this, I offered a frustrated apology and he became insulting. I blocked him again and went back to playing. I was able to continue chatting with others and playing for hours after that without incident.
Later, we ended up at another server playing secret weapons. While in that server and chatting in Simple TS to another player, the discussion with Flick, Ice and the other player was about me (because I'd killed flick a few times.) I tried to continue to chat as if there was no problem and Flick began moving people into other rooms. Flick has also been doing this to me off and on for some time now (my guess is he's trying to isolate me for not speaking to him.) At no other time has ANY other simple admin acted this way in TS. Sometimes I chat, sometimes I don't. It depends on my mood and if someone asks me something! I also use push to talk so it gets kinda tricky. I any case after shuffling people around, Flick outright banned me for no apparent reason. It's par for the course, really. I'd like to please be unbanned so I can enjoy chatting with others when I play. I would still like to avoid direct conversations with Flick unless they are absolutely necessary. This behavior is precisely why. Thanks for your help and sorry for the huge post.