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so killing animals for food is wrong coz they have feelings right?
mccrank wrote:joint wrote:mccrank, do you belive the meat eating is bad as an ethical issue, or its just bad for health?
would be world a better place with no meat eating?:)It is not about eating meat, it is about killing animals. In our fast globalized capitalism everything has to go fast and has to be cheap, that is the reason why they don't kill the animals properly. They suffer too much the whole life. There are also people who only eat roadkills. They never buy meat. There is nothing wrong with it ethically. hehe
Not all of animals eaten are cared for in an inhumane way. We treat our dairy cows quite well. You would be surprised.
We don't kill the cows, but we do put chickens and pigs down. And they do not suffer. We always limit stress and put them down un a respectable manner.What
Roadkill... made me think of trapping. We trap certain animals including some that are harmful to our animals. We eat the meat and the fur is brought into a furtrade depot.
I promise you. After every kill or after every hunt.. we take a moment to thank the animal, thank the earth, and thank god.
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I have great respect for those vegans and those who eat all vegetables and the typical diets related them. I grow many of what you eat. We have raspberry, strawverries, blueberry days. We put 50 bins outside and strangers fill them up and the payment is the honor system.
so...do u export these berries?
Syndrum² wrote:YT wrote:what platform do u play on?
too bad, cant play together as i play on ps4
but anyway i have sent u a friend request
YT wrote:Syndrum² wrote:If someone plays battlefield 4 add me: Syndrum2
what platform do u play on?
too bad, cant play together as i play on ps4
If someone plays battlefield 4 add me: Syndrum2
what platform do u play on?
lololololol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZeOPWGQIHU
hahaha...hillarious!
wars are created just to run those arms n ammunition business..no war no business
YT wrote:Syndrum² wrote:and when you hear the reason why they are destroyed
israel says (yes hamas hiding their weapons there) every time the same reason?now they have shown their real colours...see the video link i posted
I see that someone has cut this video. People only see what they want to see.
Oh lol, i got trolled...FML i do deserve a -2 for that
yeah C.W. go on i expect a -2 from u
C.W u have a personality disorder, go get urself checked up
YT wrote:Sunshine wrote:I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
yes your govt is a BIG GOON!
the way Iraq n Afghanistan were attacked isnt it enough proof of it?? where were the weapons of mass destructions which ur president alleged saddam was possessing?? where was Osama after which they invaded Afghanistan??
it all was bullshit fed to u by ur main stream media and beloved govt!!
ur govt is your own enemy, it will bring war upon itself n ur country....dont u think if ur country invades other countries n kill innocents there the relatives of the deceased will rise up and wage war against ur country?? but no, u dont give a fuck n let what ur stupid selfish govt do what it wants...when it will come to u n ur fam tomorrow then only u will realise..
the truth is, they wanted to take control of the Iraqi Oil wells which they succeeded in having...the proof is that all the oil fields are under the custody of ur army n they r the benificiaries not the Iraqis..
n as far as Osama is concerned, how many times has the US govt claimed that they killed him?? 3 times in total as far as i remember n the last time they claimed it they said he was killed in Pakistan near an army base?? n they said that they dumped his body in the sea?! ok fine u dumped it but u didnt provide any proof if he was actually killed..for e.g when Saddam was killed his body's pics were publicised....just a "word of mouth" by those who had already claimed twice that he was killed...
now u would argue abt 9/11 right?? that those cave men hijacked 3 planes and attacked U.S n killed so many civilians....only a stupid can believe in these stories...
u say Obama is a jew hater n he loves muslims?? u surely dont know anything... actions speak louder than words! ..if he loved muslims so much he would have immediately withdrawn all his army but no he didn't , if he cared so much about muslims he wouldnt be carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan n killing innocent women n children....if he was a jew hater he wouldnt be supporting Israel in its current barbaric acts, he would have attacked Israel like it attacked Libya during Qaddafi regime..
You really think the U.S. Government is responsable? They are only marionettes.
Ofcourse i do know their govt is hijacked and they are marionattes n yes they are also responsible as they are partners in crime...
YT wrote:@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
I'm glad you know so much about what goes on here and what is used for the "betterment" of people. I'm sure no one else is ever at fault for our actions eh? Im sure no one ever wants to kill us or our allies. Of course not. Our govt is just the "big satan/goon."
And I am awake. But thanks for your concern.
Personally, i dont really care about what goes on there. Obama is a jew hater so he'll eventually help you out. My dad is out of the Army now and none of that stuff in Israel and gaza is impacting others in my family who are serving. So very few fucks are given on my side.
Neither side will ever be persuaded to change their minds. Some people think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists and other people think Israel is. Believe what you want.
If I had it my way I wouldn't send another dime or "financial aid" to any countries or hamas like groups over there. We just send more money to people like hamas who want us dead or to a place who would stone me or throw acid on me for not wearing a veil or looking like a beekeeper. Then we allow all these muslim extremist somalians over to some places here and they bitch about everything and throw rocks at everybody and make threats and demand we change our way of life to appease them. I don't think so!
yes your govt is a BIG GOON!
the way Iraq n Afghanistan were attacked isnt it enough proof of it?? where were the weapons of mass destructions which ur president alleged saddam was possessing?? where was Osama after which they invaded Afghanistan??
it all was bullshit fed to u by ur main stream media and beloved govt!!
ur govt is your own enemy, it will bring war upon itself n ur country....dont u think if ur country invades other countries n kill innocents there the relatives of the deceased will rise up and wage war against ur country?? but no, u dont give a fuck n let what ur stupid selfish govt do what it wants...when it will come to u n ur fam tomorrow then only u will realise..
the truth is, they wanted to take control of the Iraqi Oil wells which they succeeded in having...the proof is that all the oil fields are under the custody of ur army n they r the benificiaries not the Iraqis..
n as far as Osama is concerned, how many times has the US govt claimed that they killed him?? 3 times in total as far as i remember n the last time they claimed it they said he was killed in Pakistan near an army base?? n they said that they dumped his body in the sea?! ok fine u dumped it but u didnt provide any proof if he was actually killed..for e.g when Saddam was killed his body's pics were publicised....just a "word of mouth" by those who had already claimed twice that he was killed...
now u would argue abt 9/11 right?? that those cave men hijacked 3 planes and attacked U.S n killed so many civilians....only a stupid can believe in these stories...
u say Obama is a jew hater n he loves muslims?? u surely dont know anything... actions speak louder than words! ..if he loved muslims so much he would have immediately withdrawn all his army but no he didn't , if he cared so much about muslims he wouldnt be carrying out drone attacks in Pakistan n killing innocent women n children....if he was a jew hater he wouldnt be supporting Israel in its current barbaric acts, he would have attacked Israel like it attacked Libya during Qaddafi regime..
international law ? they have it but un is pretty quiet, un is biased and doing everything by dictate of us. Noone believe to un, and why should ? They showing day by day how force wins against law
agreed...
The U.N rules apply only on weak countries... not on U.S or Israel
@sunshine: i saw ur post but i cant find it now here...
The hate is not against U.S as a country or the people living there but its against ur govt n its policies!...
ur govt is donation about 8 billion dollars every year out of the taxes u paid for ur own country's betterment but look what's ur govt is doing??? it has billions of dollars to spend on starting new wars n conflicts but when it comes to the betterment of its own public like health insurance n other public welfare stuff they say they dont have money?? Ur own govt is robbing n fooling u!!...wake up sunshine...i mean no offence to u or the U.S citizens n m not against ur people
n btw ur govt doesnt love muslim coutries, it only loves their oil well!
YT wrote:T.G wrote:I can also pictures like that, from the buses terror attacks:
that was bound to happen....u think they wont retaliate after u bomb em n massacre em?? of course they will n BTW how many more such incidents have happened?? one or two more??
Israel has been carrying out even more deadly attacks than this on the Palestinian civilians for ages!
this is not a competition my friend, i only stated that the fact that we don't show our victims bodies all over the media make you think they are the only victims, cant you accept that they are not the only victims here?
just for you to know, i'm 26 years old, there was no military intervention before the terror began in about the start of the 90's
1 or 2?
here is the partly list for you to review: (source Wikipedia) (more then 150 terror attacks on civilians)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa … de_attacks
neither am i competing with u... what i am saying is that one cannot justify those attacks for conducting a genocide of a whole nation! thats insane!
n btw terror began from ur side in 1940's n hamas didnt exist at that time ...hamas is just an excuse by ur govt...i dont blame it on individuals like u or the other normal citizens..i blame it on ur system n govt...
u should watch this video too what an on ground veteran has to say abt ur system
Islamic university has been destroyed today
How they will study?
I watched the photos of it today
Here's a link for u guys...
YT wrote:i am not their spokeperson but if u do insist its their act of retaliation hoping to do some damage to the Israeli side... I am not justifying their actions but telling u what apparently their state of mind would be...
but the original question was what islamic religion says about their actions
you said it forbids killing innocent people and they are apparently trying to do so
btw, what's punishment for killing an innocent?
There's only one religion by the name of Islam...how many have u heard of :s??
If someone kills an innocent, his/her penalty is also death...but...Islam inisists on forgiving
If the relatives of the murdered forgive the killer then he will be pardoned but, he has to pay a certain sum of money as blood money..
As I said before. You look at it with winkers.
It is a warzone. They maked it into their own prison.
It could be their own counrty as they had accept the term of the UN in 1948.
But no. They only thing all the Palistinians and all other arabs want was to kill every jew alive.
And since 1948 the only thing Isreal is allways doing is to defend themselves to all those arabs.
In some big wars. They could have bombed Cairo, they could have bombed Damascus. But they didnt.
Because they were not attacked from those cities.In Gaza Hamas rules.
Hamas is an official registered terrosrist organisation.
And Hamas uses the other innocent Palistinian civilians as a human shield.The Palistian people call this on themselves. They let Hamas regain power.
If the Palistinian people really want to live in peace they should stop Hamas themselves.
But no, in schools in Gaza children are tought 3 things.
1. Glorification of terrorist
2. Demonisations of jews
3. Daily repeated that Isreal should cease to existAnd the IDF isn't allways right.
But Hamas and lots of other Palistinians aren't either.
Hamas says themselves: 'We love death as much as the jews love life'.Isreal only reacts to all those attacks by Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist organisations.
And they make some terrible mistakes by doing that. But what do you expect?The attacks by Hamas and other Palestinians on Isreal is the biggest mistake.
What do u mean by it could be their own country? .. it IS their own country which Zionists have invaded and created an illegal state backed by the U.N which is controlled by the big goon, the U.S! they didnt ask the Palestinians nor did they ask for their consent if they would allow an establishment of another state "Israel" ...the Palestinians were forced to live with them, they were not given the option to chose if they wanted the Zionists to create Israel or not...
if u dont remember remember the history of creation Israel, lemme remind u in a summary..
after WW2 when the jews didnt have anywhere to go the Palestinians welcomed u and gave u shelter, the zionists took the wrong advantage of the Palestinian's nature and extablished a terrorist organisation which carried out numerous attacks n killed scores of innocent civilinas..laterthat terrorist organisation turned into a political party and established the state of Israel...the zionist militant leader of that organization became the prime minister of Israel!
now when the Palestininans are trying to get their land back u call them terrorists?! its just like someone from outside comes n illegally occupies ur house, beats u up, kills ur family and blames u for the death of ur family saying "if u would not have resisted ur family would not have been dead and u r responsible for their death!" thats bullshit!
u say Palestinian children r taugh to hate Israelis? u think they need schools to learn this? arent the zionist massacre and killings enough for them to hate them???
n btw u must be mistaken as its the Zionists who are taugh to hate the rest of the world... they hate the muslims, they hate the christians, they hate everyone!
btw who got them registered as a terrorist organization? The U.S? who itself is the biggest terrorist and goon? n who approved it? the U.N? which itself is controlled and influenced by U.S?
U.N is also another failed organization which is just there to protect the interests of the bigger countries, doesnt do justice..
What do u mean by "The attacks by Hamas and other Palestinians on Isreal is the biggest mistake"? like if u invade my house do i not have the right to fight back for it??
The biggest mistake is the existence of Israel in Palestine...why doesnt it shift to U.S? they have a lot of free space there...n they r their best allies too..wont be problem for both ...at the end Palestine will be happy n Israel will be n supposedly U.S as well right?
George S. Patton wrote:YT wrote:I need history lesson? ok u give me one, m very interested in what u r being taught
and for ur information if u r a jew, ur own Holy Book "Torah" prohibits jews to occupy PalestineBtw its clearly mentioned in the news "VACANT SCHOOL" not the one which was attacked where there were several children n women who were bombed with phosporous bombs n burnt alive!!
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmT0MjlPpRoISIS has nothing to do with Islam, just another stain on the name of Islam...killing of innocents is not allowed....even if a muslim kills a non muslim he will be given the same death penalty unless the close relatives forgive the killers...this is so, what if that terrorist kills another person tomorrow?? n if he cant respect an innocent's right to live then he as well does not have any right to stay alive..
Where's the proof of hammas accepting the attack?? give me a legitimate proof ... the truth is they dont have any proof these are just lies...
First of all I'm not a jew.
And you really want to compare those old residents with the modern day Palestinians?
Get real! In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever.
So this argument is bullshit!And its a goddamn warzone over there. You really see those interviews as proof?
Lets wait for a proper and independent investigation before you make more accusations.You look at this whole thing wearing winkers.
u tell me... someone tortures and kills ur whole family or some of ur loved ones and cheers their death, would u have sympathy towards those killers??
by your this line "In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever." what are you trying to prove?? that if someone occupies n invades your country n kills innocents its completely normal?? is this what u think??
Its not a war zone, to be precise its an open air prison!
since when did we start calling live footages of civilians being killed as interviews?
wait for an independent investigation?? u must be kidding right...for all the crimes Israel has committed till date has there been any investigation and punishment?? and how do u call this accusations?? dont u see how many innocents have been killed by the Israeli bombardments?? are u trying to say that those F16s and artillery belonged to hammas and they were bombing Gaza?? or did they come from some other country n not Israel??
YT wrote:George S. Patton wrote:1. The land the Palistinians claime to be their land has never been their land. Take a history lesson. If you really look into it you would find out I'm telling the truth. The hasn't been any muslim or arab state in the region where now is Isreal.
2. I really want to see your proof. In my opinion you're talking nonsense. The IDF mostly uses artillery. And it has been proven that Hamas fighters use civilians as a human shield.
3. Do you even know which demonstration I'm refering to. I'm refering to this: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nln … t=14096585 . If neccessary I could translate the Dutch for you.
4. There is no evidence yet. But Hamas claimed the killings of those teenagers.
5. Here's your proof: http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/07/23/ … s-rockets/
I need history lesson? ok u give me one, m very interested in what u r being taught
and for ur information if u r a jew, ur own Holy Book "Torah" prohibits jews to occupy PalestineBtw its clearly mentioned in the news "VACANT SCHOOL" not the one which was attacked where there were several children n women who were bombed with phosporous bombs n burnt alive!!
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmT0MjlPpRoISIS has nothing to do with Islam, just another stain on the name of Islam...killing of innocents is not allowed....even if a muslim kills a non muslim he will be given the same death penalty unless the close relatives forgive the killers...this is so, what if that terrorist kills another person tomorrow?? n if he cant respect an innocent's right to live then he as well does not have any right to stay alive..
Where's the proof of hammas accepting the attack?? give me a legitimate proof ... the truth is they dont have any proof these are just lies...
First of all I'm not a jew.
And you really want to compare those old residents with the modern day Palestinians?
Get real! In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever.
So this argument is bullshit!And its a goddamn warzone over there. You really see those interviews as proof?
Lets wait for a proper and independent investigation before you make more accusations.You look at this whole thing wearing winkers.
u tell me... someone tortures and kills ur whole family or some of ur loved ones and cheers their death, would u have sympathy towards those killers??
by your this line "In the period of time all nations and tribes were moving from land to land to occupy some other land. There were no borders or whatever." what are you trying to prove?? that if someone occupies n invades your country n kills innocents its completely normal?? is this what u think??
Its not a war zone, to be precise its an open air prison!
I can also pictures like that, from the buses terror attacks:
that was bound to happen....u think they wont retaliate after u bomb em n massacre em?? ofcourse they will n btw how many more such incidents have happened?? one or two more??
Israel has been carrying out even more deadly attacks than this on the palestinian civilians for ages!
YT wrote:and u say u they do every effort to avoid children being killed right?
i'm sorry but this screams "fake" for too many reasons
They are all fake right??
Here are a few links for u.. are these also fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZrlKo_PGMI
Israeli sniper kills an unarmed civilian
YT wrote:s[sk] wrote:are all israelis considered guilty then?
No not israelis, only those who are directly involved in the attacks n those supporting the attacks
so why is hamas trying to kill any israeli with those rockets?
i am not their spokeperson but if u do insist its their act of retaliation hoping to do some damage to the Israeli side... I am not justifying their actions but telling u what apparently their state of mind would be...
YT wrote:Firstly: who is UN to approve the establishment of a state in another??? its like you are homeless and another person tells me that it is right to stay in my house?how could u?? its not even ur house!..if u guys have so much of synpathy why dont u give all that unused land in USA to Israel?? then u can live in peace right?? why force the Palestinians to give away their land???
Secondly: There's enough proof of the Israeli soldiers deliberately "SNIPING" out kids and those volunteers like doctors and other normal citizens without any reason so your argunment that israeli soldiers dont deliberately kill innocent citizens, any sane person can easily make out it was purposely and ntenyionally done and not ac accident...i will post the videos n pics soon.
Thirdly: ISIS is also one of ur MOSAD's product
..if they were muslims why would they attack other muslims?? why do they threat other muslim countries why dont they threat the terrosits state of Israel??
Fourthly: There's no evidence of hamas killing those 3 teens..if they did have why didnt they present in the media??? they clearly dont have any proof..
Fifthly: What proof are u talking about for the weapons stored in the school?? If u do have then present it here!
1. The land the Palistinians claime to be their land has never been their land. Take a history lesson. If you really look into it you would find out I'm telling the truth. The hasn't been any muslim or arab state in the region where now is Isreal.
2. I really want to see your proof. In my opinion you're talking nonsense. The IDF mostly uses artillery. And it has been proven that Hamas fighters use civilians as a human shield.
3. Do you even know which demonstration I'm refering to. I'm refering to this: http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nln … t=14096585 . If neccessary I could translate the Dutch for you.
4. There is no evidence yet. But Hamas claimed the killings of those teenagers.
5. Here's your proof: http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/07/23/ … s-rockets/
I need history lesson? ok u give me one, m very interested in what u r being taught
and for ur information if u r a jew, ur own Holy Book "Torah" prohibits jews to occupy Palestine
Btw its clearly mentioned in the news "VACANT SCHOOL" not the one which was attacked where there were several children n women who were bombed with phosporous bombs n burnt alive!!
Here's a video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmT0MjlPpRo
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, just another stain on the name of Islam...killing of innocents is not allowed....even if a muslim kills a non muslim he will be given the same death penalty unless the close relatives forgive the killers...this is so, what if that terrorist kills another person tomorrow?? n if he cant respect an innocent's right to live then he as well does not have any right to stay alive..
Where's the proof of hammas accepting the attack?? give me a legitimate proof ... the truth is they dont have any proof these are just lies...
YT wrote:look brother...as per Islamic law..anyone who kills a single innocent human being may it be a christian, jew, hindu or whatever, the sin is as if he has killed the whole of humanity..they dont have any relation to Islam in anyway...each n every single life is precious and collateral damage is out of question, u simply cant kill any innocent...
are all israelis considered guilty then?
No not israelis, only those who are directly involved in the attacks n those supporting the attacks
bombs were hidden in ambulances as well right Israel??
and u say u they do every effort to avoid children being killed right?