#2 Re: BF1942 Discussion » Best-selling PC games from February 2 to February 8, 2003 » 2015-10-18 05:26:18

Play RC2, it is great.

Don't even try RC3, it sucks terribly.

#3 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-17 11:11:34

Tuia it seems to me like you are discounting the arguments made by someone based on the age of the person. I think this is a bit ironic because I suspect you know what it feels when someone discounts your arguments because they label them as "racist, nazi, etc".

#4 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-17 10:41:01

Aqualung wrote:
Czar_Alek wrote:

Aqualung, I am not even going to argue with you. It is about as useful as arguing with someone about the sum of 2+2.

Just look at this quick data about the number of divisions of the German army by front. If this doesn't convince you that the war was decided on the East Front, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Just a summary, the Germans had twice as many divisions on the Eastern front as on all oher fronts for most of the war.

http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations … rld-war-ii

All those battles you mentioned were completely irrelevant. Even without the American involvement in Italy and France, the war wouldn't have taken much longer. The war was already decided long before D-Day, and all that was left was for the game to play out. Do you actually think that the U.S. could hold a chance against Germany if Germany didn't have 170 divisions tied up on the Eastern Front? The U.S. would have been completely spanked.

I suspect that you are unable to accept any other narrative besides the one you hold because it feeds your national pride.

Alek - I appreciate the vast majority of your positions/arguments on this thread and have used some of them to challenge my own hypotheses so thank you.  As an aside, your arguments would be more effective without unnecessarily labeling those that don't agree with you drunk, stupid, etc. 

I believe I can be convinced that the Soviets would have emerged victorious on the Eastern front with or without US involvement at the West.  The questions that follow are:

How much longer would it have taken?
At what cost?  Human capital and the genocidal concentration camps?

I have to disagree on two things (though I am still open-minded to being convinced otherwise):

1. That the US bombing campaigns were merely "supportive" and to "soften-up" targets.  It is my understanding that "strategic bombing" as it was called was crucial to victory over Hitler's war machine.

2. The significance of Normandy/D-Day and subsequent operations.  Using your own sources, it appears Hitler began shifting significant divisions over to the Western front to deal with the incursions there in 1944-1945.

Some other points of significance:

http://www.history.com/news/history-lis … tern-front

Additionally, do you dismiss the significance of the Pacific Ocean Theater vis-a-vis the Tripartite pact? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact

Okay I can't do nice quotes since I am on a trip and only got my iPad so I hope you don't mind.

Since I am under the impression from your most recent message that you do not view America as the ultimate savior of Europe, I think that we don't really have anything to disagree on because that is my only hypothesis. Everything else that I have argued is merely what I have attempted to use as supporting evidence. I think you will agree that anyone who holds the opinion that America is the big savior of Europe cannot be in their right mind.

About the whole strategic bombing thing, it certainly had an effect, but not enough to decide the war. German armor production peaked in December 1944. Perhaps the biggest contribution was the bombing of the Romanian oil fields. This in conjunction with the Soviet capture really starved Germany's energy needs.

Yes German forces shifted West after D-Day, but by 1944 the war was already decided and this only decreased the duration of the war, instead of changing its ultimate outcome.

About the Pacific side, I think that is outside the scope of what we are talking about.

#5 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-16 17:04:49

I have lived in English speaking countries for most of my life. I didn't mean to ignore because I was under the impression that you were making an observation rather than question.

#6 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-16 16:31:58

Ok that is reasonable enough. As long as you don't subscribe to the American messiah complex I can't complain.

#7 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-16 16:15:20

nämeless wrote:
Czar_Alek wrote:

anyone who disagrees with my hypothesis is either dishonest, misinformed, ultranationalist, drunk, off their meds, or trolling.

Really? Who am I? Probably, a dishonest ultra-drunk misinformed troll? smile

Do you actually think that America was the savior of Europe from Nazi Germany?

#8 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-16 15:41:49

^^ I think you are completely missing my hypothesis. I am saying that America wasn't the savior of Europe.  I make no other claims.

The only reason why USA had low casualties is because they conviniently joined the real flight once it was completely clear that Germany was already defeated by USSR. USA waited for USSR to actually win the war and then they marched in and acted like they had some big part in the victory.

The only reason why I am stubborn is because anyone who disagrees with my hypothesis is either dishonest, misinformed, ultranationalist, drunk, off their meds, or trolling.

#9 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-16 13:21:08

Aqualung, I am not even going to argue with you. It is about as useful as arguing with someone about the sum of 2+2.

Just look at this quick data about the number of divisions of the German army by front. If this doesn't convince you that the war was decided on the East Front, I honestly don't know what to tell you. Just a summary, the Germans had twice as many divisions on the Eastern front as on all oher fronts for most of the war.

http://www.axishistory.com/axis-nations … rld-war-ii

All those battles you mentioned were completely irrelevant. Even without the American involvement in Italy and France, the war wouldn't have taken much longer. The war was already decided long before D-Day, and all that was left was for the game to play out. Do you actually think that the U.S. could hold a chance against Germany if Germany didn't have 170 divisions tied up on the Eastern Front? The U.S. would have been completely spanked.

I suspect that you are unable to accept any other narrative besides the one you hold because it feeds your national pride.

#10 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-15 10:01:00

dary wrote:

Funny how you turn it around, like Serbia were the one who defend themself. My whole family had to flee to Germany, Croatia, Sweden, only some of my cousins fought there to defend their home. Who started this whole bullshit and wanted a big Serbia? Serbia attacked other Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia. Everybody knows what happened in this war and everybody knows they are all war criminals. If they didn't order the Cetniks to do the atrocities, or who else did?

Sorry for OT but this had to be set right and this is all i have to say. I know what happened there as most people in Germany know it. It is a shame that this happened in the middle of Europe. I only remember one Jew criticizing Europe for no doing anything and just watching...

"Everyone knows what happened" because CNN, BBC, and the rest fed propaganda for years about Serbia being the only perpetrators. Despite a budget of over $200,000,000 per year, the politically motivated Hague tribunal is still unable to pin anything on the Serbs besides small isolated incidents.

#11 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-15 01:03:37

dary wrote:

So you think he didn't do anything bad? Of course not... everybody knows what the war criminals like Milosevic, Seselj, Mladic and Karadzic did.

If Srebrenica was not a genocide than what was it?

During the war the most young people (students) in Belgrade were demonstrating against Milosevic. They knew that the war was wrong. Only stupid people were for Milosevic. What did he good for Serbia? Nothing...

Please correct me if I am wrong, but not a single of those mentioned names have actually been found guilty despite decades of extremely well funded and politically appointed lawyers. Well I guess they have been found guilty by CNN and MSNBC but I digress.

Srebenica was a bad event, but it was only an atrocity, not a sustained campaign to destroy an entire group which is the definition of genocide. It also was commited by various war criminals and militias and has never been linked to the Serbian state unless anything has changed in the past few years.

The war had popular support in Serbia at the time and I still think it was a necessary evil. My Family were Serb refugees from Bosnia when they ethnically cleansed us by forcing us to leave and burning our house so they could steal a country and make it free of Serbs.

It is necessary to fight for your home whatever the consequences may be.

#12 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-15 00:56:09

Guys, there will be plenty of time to debate who and what is responsible. Right now our priority must be in keeping these migrants the fuck away from Europe. This can only be achieved through unified activism to change the Europeam psyche. We must not divide ourselves.

I expect a good backlash in the next decade similar to America's Conservative renewal after the Hippie movement.

I only hope that normal people can come to their senses about the failures of multiculturalism before it is too late. Once you catch the viral infection, I am afraid there may be no cure.

#13 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-14 23:59:00

Aqualung wrote:

You Europeans (particularly Serbs, among others) should be KISSING THE BOOTS of the American and British forces who sacrificed life and limb to save your sorry asses from the steamroller of Hitler's Nazi war machine.

I really hope you are drunk right now, because if you are writing this on a sober mind I would recommend you meet with a physician as soon as possible. That or you are trolling.

The Americans and British were completely useless in the European Theatre, they basically only had support roles such as lend-lease and also softening Germany with bombs.

All the real fighting was done by the Soviets and 8 out of 10 German casualties were achieved by the Soviets.

Soviets liberated Belgrade, and USA+Britian had absolutely no part in that.

Soviets captures Berlin and were the ones to defeat Hitler's army. The only reason why USA had any success on the ground was because the vast majority of Germany's strength was on the Eastern Front.

And about the British, they would have shared the exact same fate as France had they not had the fortune of being on an Island.

Seriously, if you are sober right now, go get tested. Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed about.

Edit: not saying that America didn't play a role in WWII. Certainly all help was appreciated, but it is beyond idiotic to say that America is the savior of Europe.

Edit 2: seems like you changed your message. Good thing you sobered up a bit. Just keep drinking water and sleep off the hangover. Cheers.

#14 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-14 23:13:14

^^ lol what do you know about the Bosnian War?

The Hague held Vojislav Seselj for 13 years and couldn't find anything against him. The UN has never proven the Serbian state guilty against genocide so I am sorry to disappoint you. The entire fiasco was completely political and Europe is back to normal.

Look, stop trying to argue. Just accept that Muslims and Jews are both equally annoying and have no place in Europe because we have a rather good thing going and it would be a shame to spoil it with Sharia Law or Muh Shekels.

I honestly would have zero problem if a few Muslims came into Europe and actually agreed to integrate into European society and accept European values. I can't understand why they insist on bringing over the very same customs and values which made their real home such a shit place to live.

#15 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-14 20:16:21

bud wrote:

Maybe tuia has a point after all?

It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that the very concept of Europe as we know it is endangered.

A few million Muslims in Europe may not sound like a big deal, but they multiply exponentially like rabbits and they never integrate, even after multiple generations. Normal CIVILIZED Europeans

Look, I have nothing against any other groups, but we really only have 2 good continents, and a multitude of fucked up ones which still are stuck in the Stone Age. Can't we please just keep Europe and North America good for our children?

#16 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-14 16:46:14

Anti-semitism is just the word some people scream whenever someone questions anything a Jew does.

#17 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-14 11:25:48

^^ So your only counter is "Look, the Jews are doing it too!"?

#18 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-10 23:08:47

dary wrote:
Czar_Alek wrote:

Better to go full nationalist than being a cuck.

What is a cuck? Only idiots with an low iQ are nationalists...

A cuck (cuckold) is a man who allows his wife to sleep with other men.

I use this term because these immigrants would never assimilate or have any respect for their host country. They want the prosperity of Europe without accepting the values that made this prosperity possible.

I don't like ultra-nationalists either, but better to look after your own interests then destroy country.

Just ask yourselves when these backwards Arab countries would ever accept European immigrants when they won't even accept their own kind.

#19 Re: Server Ban Appeals » auto banned? LOL » 2015-09-10 22:57:11

Hi Reno.

I have a strong suspicion that this post and also the post by SgtSnorkel are both done by Icebags. The posts use very similar language, and are made by accounts that are brand new.

#21 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-10 19:54:10

bud wrote:
nämeless wrote:
bud wrote:

Explain please.

Well, I don't know about Sweden but Gypsies here are well-known for drugs trafficking, theft, fraud etc. They are not to be trusted.

Its funny because if i would express that opinion out loud here in Sweden i would be considered a fullblown racist. Cant even say Gypsie, you have to say eu-immigrant.


I am sorry to say but almost globally Sweden has a huge reputation for being the biggest cucks in Europe.

I only hope that a full blown backlash will happen in the next generation. Better to go full nationalist than being a cuck.

#22 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-10 10:51:32

Anyone whom doesn't have negative opinions about gypsies has never spent any time around them.

In Socialist Yugoslavia the government spent HUGE efforts and resources to try to reform them. Despite all of this affirmative action, absolutely nothing has been achieved and they still live the crooked, dishonest, and dirty lives as they did 50 years ago.

Just a few days ago I observed one as he stole copper wires from the street in broad daylight.

#23 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-09 23:07:08

Ok just passed by the main bus station in Belgrade about an hour ago. There is a HUGE crowd of migrants there.

All are well dressed. They are buying food from the shops and stalls around the station and they made a GIGANTIC mess and they don't care at all about the litter.

This just shows how much respect they have for the countries they want to use.

Shameful.

#24 Re: Server Ban Appeals » Tookie Once Again! » 2015-09-09 07:29:30

Oh yeah I totall don't doubt it. I was just saying it would be a bit too far if he said something in private and then someone took it public.

Now I see that isn't the case so please disregard.

#25 Re: Server Ban Appeals » Tookie Once Again! » 2015-09-09 06:55:30

janet reno (TX) wrote:

Hello Icebags,

I though we made progress when you admitted you are mentally deficiency.

Is this a joke or did he actually?

Because if he actually shared something like that in private, it would be too far to share it in public.

#26 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-07 18:17:28

dary wrote:

It is always easy to blame others for your own fault... what about if you blame Milosevic who has started this war and wanted a big Serbia.

Of course war was necessary. When someone comes to take the land that your father died to protect and where you lived your entire life what should you do? Invite them in?

But the newest method of warfare and capturing territory is no longer with an army, but a population of baby factories invading your land right under your noses while you welcome them in.

But I gladly welcome the destruction of Europe because they now want to do to themselves the same shit they made of Serbia. If we cannot have our own sovereign land anymore I hope nobody else can either.

#27 Re: Off-Topic » Europe crumbles under the devastating impact of Mass Immigration » 2015-09-07 15:36:07

tuia wrote:

Sad but true.

I am in Belgrade right now and can confirm that the city is COMPLETELY filled to the brim with "refugees".

But I have yet to see the sights that are completely plastered on the media of poor refugees. All I saw were clean and well dressed people who are completely walking around Belgrade like they are at home.

Personally I couldn't give two shits if they destroy Europe. The EU are doing to themselves exactly what they did to ruin Serbia, which is make the native population a minority in their own lands. Once this happens, it is impossible to hold control of the land your fathers died to keep.

#28 Re: Feedback » Map Voting » 2015-09-06 06:57:34

Monkey I have seen slideshows with better framerates.

#29 Re: Feedback » Reports that SiMPLE is down » 2015-08-30 20:35:46

Winston Smith wrote:

A racoon got into the wiring at the centre where the server's located.  Apparently it triggered a fire alarm, which in turn triggered the sprinklers and everything went down.  It might take a little while to dry out the server room and get everything running again but they can't do anything until they catch the racoon.  According to the facility's blog it's scratching the crap put of anyone that goes near it.  Also, I hear PETA is pissed at how they are treating it.

Honestly can't tell if this is bullshit or not!

big_smile

#30 Re: BF1942 Discussion » -= 2vs2 Infantry Tournament =- » 2015-08-30 01:49:58

I am if I can see more info including rules, dates, servers, etc.

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