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Zody goes full Karen.
Nameless, Persia, Karlson - with all respect - drop this discussion with them. Take a good look who you are arguing with (except of Joint) and follow Mark Twains advice which I use as a signature. Time will show who was right and who was wrong.
I consider them as the objects of research: how propaganda works and how the media forms the public opinion. Many things were written by Orwell long ago. I'm not only talking about the slogans that everyone knows like "war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength". There were the other concepts in the book that took the places in the modern life.
Ministry of Peace
The head of the diplomacy, who's supposed to be a diplomat to regulate the problems diplomatically, says the conflict has to be resolved in a military way and sends weapons.
Ministry of Plenty
Grain, fertilizers, fuel, goods... It will be hunger in some countries of Africa, Asia and the Middle-East.
Ministry of Truth
It does exist already, it only allows you to know the comfortable truth specially filtered for you, the truth that supposed to be true by the truth-writers, even if it's lies. Everything else can be blocked or defamed.
Ministry of Love
If someone becomes politically unacceptable, some things appear to ruin the entire career. Nowadays it's called the Cancel culture.
Interesting world, interesting times...
Top of the morning with a cup of coffee and a piece of Russian propaganda. Today it's Die Welt! How can they be Nazi if their president is Jewish? How?
nämeless wrote:I do not want this war to happen.
you're trying to get through to a man who's been smoking weed for the last 10 years. Forget it, the remaining amount of neural connections in his head is not enough to understand the situation. He does not even understand that you and Carlson and I can be in this war.
However, it must be admitted that the joint once had these neural connections in its head.
Unlike zody.
He fucked up.
1. I'm not familiar with this meme. This is the first time I see it and I don't understand it, neither I find it funny.
2. Russian army is partitioned into two: regular and contract. Regular are men 18-27, 1 year of service. It's not allowed to use them abroad. Contract is professional army, those whose profession is military service. Can be used abroad. In Syria, for example. Now it's Ukraine too. It was a big problem that some regulars got there by mistake because some idiot sent them there, they were ordered home.
3. No one from our officials like president, prime minister, the minister of defence said Kiev will be captured in 3 days. No one. You won't find it. It's possible that some propagandists on TV could say this but it's their job, originally this information comes from American media.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-s … ne-sources
It's impossible to capture Kiev in 3 days with such small military group of 40000 without carpet bombing and the other methods. The reason of offensive in this direction was the maneuvre to block Ukrainian army there. There probably was the expectation of revolution in Kiev. Didn't happen.
4. I do not pay attention what the war prisoners say on camera. They aren't free to say what they really want to. I don't also pay attention what Ukrainian war prisoners say on camera.
5. I never called my government wise. This is what I said and this is probably what you're trying to refer to.
https://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic … 25#p176425
Not so many reasonable people remain in this situation. Everyone has only negative emotions. Me and Karlson do not support the war, the wise government could do without it. We both have nothing to share with Ukrainians.
Thanks to Seventy (Sascha), msdb (san) and Meow aka Balvenie.
It does mean our government is not wise, they fucked up everything in Ukraine: diplomacy, propaganda, people's minds. We do not support war, we were unluckily indrawn there.
6. Why I said I'm watching the reports of Ukrainian TV sometimes. The official report of the Ukrainian military government says the Russian army already lost 29050. The causalities ratio of dead/wounded in the military conflicts is usually 1:3. So, 29050+87150=116200. It's simple math. How it's possible with 130000 contingent of forces? Do you really believe in these numbers?
https://t.me/ministry_of_defense_ua/1775
The territory of LNR is already almost freed from Ukrainian forces. When the territory of DPR will be freed too, there will be the question what's next: peace treaty or escalation. Peace treaty is impossible because of 40 billion lend-lease. So, it does mean the escalation. The future like is Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq. The economic will be ruined, the war for years...
Once again. It's not a tall talk, I do not want this war to happen. I feel sorry for the ordinary Ukrainians that were involved into this shite. I'm talking about propaganda and expectations.
All this is +/- true, but am afraid true masters of this war calculated perfectly all of this. All this so called ''aid'' is under fat contracts , even if war stops in one moment, ukraine will be slave of those US contracts to the rest of life. They will have to dance as USA plays. This will last long and will have to turn to real full scale war if Russia want to prevent attack on self. Future of Ukraine is as u said Afghanistan , everyone will take from them pieces like from Swedish table, and will keep dying in the name of US. Poland will take its part, Hungary maybe in some time. Ukraine will be nothing. And all could be different if they try to honestly cooperate with first neighbor and a global power like Russia is.. All recourses , endless market for goods, military protection... But no, for own ego will lose everything.
What really scares me is that Ukraine has 4 nuclear power plants: 3 are under control of Ukraine, 1 is under control of Russia. This is an interesting article to read.
https://iz.ru/1337427/ekaterina-tiunina … shchitu-rf
Everything may go worse any day.
These details about rape and other stories won't matter. Better try to understand where it will take us all. There is no way the great reset can come without destroying the current world order. How lucky for them; oops covid broke out, oops war broke out. These events set the ground of what's to come, piece by piece e.g international pandemic treaty put into place, more and more censorship, rising prices - our lives get limited in the name of ''security'' and money is extracted from our pockets
World financial crisis this Autumn. This November, I presume. The less independence, the more damage. Everything that doesn't cost its real price will go down. There will be the war between the TV-set and the fridge.
bud wrote:now it will never end.
Soon will end, trust me
Sometimes I'm watching Ukrainian TV to get the state of mind of Ukrainians. I would compare it with a dipping into a bucket of shite but whatever. Ukrainians are waiting a lot for American money — 40 billion dollars, this lend-lease aid. Zelensky pretends he's going to build the new Ukrainian one million army and then there will be super counter-offensive operation.
Firstly, let's talk about the population of Ukraine. In 1991, the year of collapse of the Soviet Union, the population of Ukraine was 51 million people and Ukraine had the fourth economic of Europe. In the beginning of 2022, the population of Ukraine, judging by the official numbers and being the poorest country of Europe, was 37 million people without Crimea (gone in 2014) and some parts of DPR and LPR (leaving now). The war has started in the end of February, 6,4 people fled from Ukraine as refugees abroad, including 1,3 million to Russia. The number of internally displaced people is 7,7 million people. It does mean they're out from Ukraine's economics. 37-6,4-7,7=22,9 million people. Let's say some refugees will come back and the total population of Ukraine now is 30 million people. Although, I'd never expect such numbers because a lot of Ukrainian citizens were only registered on the territory of Ukraine even before the war has started and their real residency was Europe or Russia. Okay, 30 million of people and 40 billion dollars of lend-lease. It's 1333 dollars for each resident of Ukraine. But Ukrainians won't get these money, it's all will go into the military-industrial companies of the United States and Ukraine will get the weapons. Not the new ones, of course, but those which should be utilised. Some part of 40 billion lend-lease aid I'd write off on corruption in US and Ukraine, of course. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world with the president and oligarchs whose offshores is the forbidden topic in the Western media. No one is talking about it anymore.
I've started this analysis from Ukrainian TV and its numerous reports about the victories of Ukrainian army like in Kiev and Kharkov. The problem is those weren't victories, there were the maneuvers of the Russian army to block the Ukrainian army there. It wasn't possible to capture the cities like Kiev (2,9 million people) and Kharkov (1,4 million people) with such small army that was there. The main battlefield in Ukraine is Donbass with Ukrainian army of 60000 or even more people, which will be destroyed in a few months, this is one of the goals of the special military operation, like our ministry of defence says: the territory of DPR and LPR.
So, what will happen if Zelensky will make the new Ukrainian army for counter-offensive? It will be the escalation, the number of Russian forces will be increased in the territory of Ukraine and it will turn into the real war, not a special military operation. There will be no gas, no electricity, no fuel, no water and other things that are needed for the civilians and the industry of the country. It will be hungry and cold. Ukraine will turn into European Somalia or Afghanistan with a lot of weapons. The war for years, until Ukraine stop exist as a military threat.
nämeless wrote:I do know something in the labour organisation. Just a quick analysis of how to organise the raping of the entire village. The average population of the villages in Ukraine is from a few hundreds and up to a few thousands people. Let's say we have a village with 1000 people population, not a big one. We have a task to rape the village. How it's possible to organise it? We need 1000 rapists with 1:1 ratio: 1 rapist on 1 victim. The lower the number of the rapists, the more job it's needed to be done for each one. For example, 333 rapists can rape 1000 village dwellers in 1:3 ratio, but it will take time. Also, it's needed to catch the village dwellers and hold them somewhere to rape them all. So, the question is how to find 333 highly-motivated rapists, organise them into one group, relocate to some village, do the job and keep it in secret?
You took numbers from nowhere and made calculation, thats so typical for propagandists
A guy whos sister been raped told me. Would love to see you telling him your numbers face to face
Did you try to comprehend the way this information comes to you? The information has features: reliability, objectivity, completeness, relevance, clarity and accessibility.
1. You don't know it for sure because you haven't witness it.
2. The information comes to you through at least two extra sources and it could be easily distorted: it's the guy and his sister.
3. It can be just a blatant lie from the beginning.
There are a lot of cases when women lie about such things. For example, Amber Heard claims about the home violence but all we know is that he's shitting in Johnny Depp's bed. The woman that claims she was raped can do it in favour of some things:
1. She hates Russians.
2. She can get some financial aid as a victim of rape.
To get the information what exactly is going on in the places under control of the Russian army, it's better to seek for some blogs of some local people that are just filming everything around. For example, this is Kherson.
I do know something in the labour organisation. Just a quick analysis of how to organise the raping of the entire village. The average population of the villages in Ukraine is from a few hundreds and up to a few thousands people. Let's say we have a village with 1000 people population, not a big one. We have a task to rape the village. How it's possible to organise it? We need 1000 rapists with 1:1 ratio: 1 rapist on 1 victim. The lower the number of the rapists, the more job it's needed to be done for each one. For example, 333 rapists can rape 1000 village dwellers in 1:3 ratio, but it will take time. Also, it's needed to catch the village dwellers and hold them somewhere to rape them all. So, the question is how to find 333 highly-motivated rapists, organise them into one group, relocate to some village, do the job and keep it in secret?
Zody wrote:You ve become really good at taking things out of context. Must be a requirement to join the propaganda forces. Here watch this
https://vp.nyt.com/video/2022/05/15/100 … g_720p.mp4
Ukrainian men being walked to their execution in Bucha.
https://youtu.be/qb5RusI8mNg
One on left is survived by miracle, he later told that russians ask for a cigaret, they gave them and walked away, but those just shot them in back just like that.
There are many vids and more stories, ive herd from witnesses like a whole village was raped, a 12year boy, who was raped hard and doctors cried, because it had meat outside of anus, a russian chechen soilder who beated to death two own soilders because saw what they had done with a grand woman there are lot of more that doest fit in news and they call it just "war crimes", big mature men are cry seeing all this and its not easy listen about politic after
Eating that propaganda really made you braindead. What you post is just a part of that fake video made by CNN.
https://waronfakes.com/civil/proof-of-w … nn-report/
Raping and killing the entire villages? How can you believe in this shite? No one will do it, this is the case for tribunal. In Russian prisons, those who are convicted for raping are the lowest caste, the are the most despised people with a lot of problems among the others. How do you suppose it's possible and how many rapists it's needed to rape the entire village? Was it a special rapist battalion involved in, lol?
I'm watching the reports now where it's written that Russian soldiers are looting everything, even lavatory pans, because this is the first time they see such invention. All these things just make me laugh.
I dont really wanne waste my time on this
Did you come to tell me you don't waste your time on me?
Dj Nina Kravitz was invited to headline the Finnish Weekend festival.
But the Finnish organizers notified that the invitation was canceled, because Nina did not express her attitude to the war in Ukraine in any way on social networks.
Nina wrote on Instagram that she is primarily a musician and has never supported violence, no matter where it happens. But it wasn't enough.
The musician has 1.8 million subscribers in insta, tours around the world.rinjo, tell me more about freedom of speech in European lol
I Pribaltika people getting 700 EUR fines for watching Russian TV, lol.
I'm against the war but seems Joe B wants to fight till the last Ukrainian.
persia wrote:nämeless wrote:The official Kiev propaganda already using such words like "evacuation". The video of "evacuation" is in Telegram already.
It was to be expected, another beautiful noodles for Western philistines
These are the Russian barbarians - civilians were killed, and the militants were captured and sent to hospitals. Although they could have wiped the entire plant off the face of the earth in a few hours. Fascists, there are no other wordsYou shoulnt be ironic, this is sad where you facscistic politics bring you and others. Youll see when your tv agenda changes, mark my words.
2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtaBUg-IpmM
Сейчас.
What else could be better than a portion of Russian propaganda in the morning?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … veals.html
The followers are half-fake, the comments are half-fake, the support is half-fake, your mind and deep insight are half-fake too...
Morning Russian propaganda about the independence of the prosecutor's office in the European countries.
nämeless wrote:persia wrote:30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR. By the standards of history, this is a very short time for the state. I agree that over the years, given the amount of resources and "brains" that remained from the USSR, it was possible to reach a higher level of economy than in China now.
But unfortunately, immediately after the collapse, the country was ruled by oligarchs. Putin came to power in 2000. He was openly told that he were not here for long. But finally he became independent in his power only by 2012. The vertical of power, in any large country, is an incredibly complex structure, where there is an endless struggle for power among the elites. If you think that after becoming president, everyone will obey you at once at the click of your fingers, this is a huge misconception.
For example, look at Zelensky's "power". How he wanted to put Poroshenko away, change the prosecutor, and what came of it(nothing).Therefore thats why everything is so slow, and we are still very far from a good domestic policy, but one way or another, corruption is getting less over the years.
I see only pluses in total. Sooner or later, these oligarchs will retire from business. The majority of them have already lost their money and influence. Nobody really feels sorry here that Europe arrests their yachts. Thieves are stealing from thieves. It's a good call for the others — do not trust and do not invest in Europe, your assets will be stolen if you aren't politically acceptable.
Meanwhile our Jewish boy gets profit. 1.6 billion dollars for a second sort TV-comedian known only in Ukraine. Such news are impossible after 24 of February.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0JUpCrdG88
This could be two blade sword if west eu/usa blackmail them to start working on revolution against government . Such would sell own childs just to bring back assets. And of course its a well known USA recipe, nothing new actually . Hope to see their teeth crashed in this case.
That's the reason, probably, why the law about up to 15 years of prison was adopted before. No one was arrested yet but they will in case of revolution attempt. I don't know who can protest here because of oligarchs benefits but money is money...
The vaunted fighters of "Azov", who promised to stand until the last drop of blood, surrendered to the Russians today. lol
One of the conditions for surrender was the ban on photography.
it is very interesting how Western propaganda will try to make them heroes who stood to the end.
The official Kiev propaganda already using such words like "evacuation". The video of "evacuation" is in Telegram already.
L0rd Waggachugga wrote:I wonder how this former colonel got assets of 400 million dollars after beeing a minister for a few years. I don't know if such topics are touched by russian newspapers or not? In Norway newspapers skin politicians alive if they'r suspected of embezzeling even 10k dollars.
30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR. By the standards of history, this is a very short time for the state. I agree that over the years, given the amount of resources and "brains" that remained from the USSR, it was possible to reach a higher level of economy than in China now.
But unfortunately, immediately after the collapse, the country was ruled by oligarchs. Putin came to power in 2000. He was openly told that he were not here for long. But finally he became independent in his power only by 2012. The vertical of power, in any large country, is an incredibly complex structure, where there is an endless struggle for power among the elites. If you think that after becoming president, everyone will obey you at once at the click of your fingers, this is a huge misconception.
For example, look at Zelensky's "power". How he wanted to put Poroshenko away, change the prosecutor, and what came of it(nothing).Therefore thats why everything is so slow, and we are still very far from a good domestic policy, but one way or another, corruption is getting less over the years.
I see only pluses in total. Sooner or later, these oligarchs will retire from business. The majority of them have already lost their money and influence. Nobody really feels sorry here that Europe arrests their yachts. Thieves are stealing from thieves. It's a good call for the others — do not trust and do not invest in Europe, your assets will be stolen if you aren't politically acceptable.
Meanwhile our Jewish boy gets profit. 1.6 billion dollars for a second sort TV-comedian known only in Ukraine. Such news are impossible after 24 of February.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0JUpCrdG88
Its a regional newsagency for Murmansk, many russians in Northern Norway reads it.
I found it interesting since i have the same on my boathouse, i will turn mine into this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … 0521104822
If we are back on the topic about yachts, it's not Putins but Vladimir Strzhalkovsky. I wonder how this former colonel got assets of 400 million dollars after beeing a minister for a few years. I don't know if such topics are touched by russian newspapers or not? In Norway newspapers skin politicians alive if they'r suspected of embezzeling even 10k dollars.
Yes, at least 360 results.
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%22%D0%B … id=1836587
Let's call it deoligarchisation. This one was the CEO of Nornickel. Nobody in Russia will cry for his yacht, nobody except him.
At least we in northern Norway supports Russia
Lol, Wagga. It's the first time I see this media and they're referring to some unknown Telegram channel where everybody can post everything. This information cost as much as your previous information about Putin's yacht.
I almost forgot about today's portion of Russian propaganda.
Funny indeed what happened to russians minds
https://i.ibb.co/NSJJg7G/IMG-20220516-074145-013.jpgat the time russia was denying it has any plans to invade ukraine.
And now, suddenly nameless has all the answers and pictures of nazis. The kremlin propaganda has no effect on him, not at all
It was the comment on 23 of Janurary, long ago before the invasion. I refused to believe the war is possible and I thought that Putin and Biden will come to some agreement and Zelensky will be forced to sign up some documents, since he's nothing but a puppet toy. Nothing was obvious those days. Check my comments one day before the war on 23 of February.
https://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic … 73#p176273
https://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic … 85#p176285
There are some hot shots there who'd prefer to bomb the entire Ukraine to remove the threat. If it was US in Russia's place, I think they'd resolve the problem this way.
This is about russia and their peoples attitude towards other nations.
I don't see any sympathy towards ukrainians from russians, the simple people who just lived their lives, lost their homes, even on this forum. But that's their own fault of course, like the estonians fault that the entire world is corrupt, full of war and sold over a million times, it puts a smile on nameless face.
I'm in mood again to post something because it makes me laugh, especially what happens to people's mind. The next portion of Russian propaganda will be tomorrow. Meanwhile, you can show some sympathy towards Libyans, Serbians, Iraqi, Afghanistan and Syrian people.
By the way, Persia. You aren't correct that Pribaltika produces nothing these days, they're good in producing rusophobia, lol. All the production they had being the Soviet Union republics is gone, true. The truth is that Pribaltika nowadays in the region that lives on subsidies from the EU and, as far as I understand, the EU is waiting now for the financial crisis this Autumn. There will be two kind of inflations there. The official inflation, probably lower than two digits because it will be uncomfortable to acknowledge 10% and more officially, and real inflation. Who knows how big it could be but the citizens could find this out from the prices of goods and services. There will be the great growing threat of redundancy: jobs, services, aids. Also, I'd notice there is also the threat of hunger in some countries of Africa and the Middle East. How do you think where all these refugees will go, among the refugees from Ukraine, of course. In this case, the EU will try to financially protect its core: Germany, France, Italy. Who knows what will happen to the outer periphery. There is also a chance the money printing machine can print more Euros but it will lead only to worse inflation.
simon wrote:And nobody wants to come there to kick you out or kill you
Dude, are you serious?
The only goal that the entire Western world has been pursuing for more than a decade is to destroy Russia as a sovereign and independent state, split it into a bunch of small "countries" and "republics" and download natural resources for free, using the local population for "service".Therefore, the Soviet Union was deliberately "destroyed". Therefore, they staged wars in Chechnya and Dagestan for "independence" at the hands of the oligarchs and so on. And because no one needs Russia, NATO continued to stick Europe with its bases. The USSR collapsed, Russia with Yeltsin is incredibly weak at this time and NATO's defensive alliance continued to expand in Europe. Just?
All your life, you fool, there has been a confrontation between two centers of power, Russia and the United States. I can't understand how a seemingly not completely stupid guy can not understand such primitive and obvious things.
Btw As long as you were in the USSR, you had a big number of productions and jobs, and now you are a "Negro" working for an uncle in developed countries. lolI had exactly the same thoughts way when I was in 1st year of university. That was 14 years ago. imagine how did you fall behind https://journals.ru/smile/users/14/140/13998.gif
I'd add to that the endless attempts of the colour revolutions and military conflicts in the borderlines of Russia: Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, some more countries in the East. He will never understand this because Estonia doesn't belong to Estonians for the centuries. Once this territory even has been sold by the Swedish king with all the people inside.
Name why u twisting things . This guy must be some Russian, he is clearly trying to put in dirt name of Azov battalions . They are freedom fighters , not some bunch of brainwashed nazis . So please no Putin propaganda here, or we will call Casca to deal with you.
Did he forbid the Russians on the server or not yet? I've heard of some common European practice that forbids some people of some nations in Europe, it was very popular in the first half of the XX century and now it rises up in some places.
It reminds me of the case with Bin Laden some time ago. It's enough of Russian propaganda for today.