#1 2020-03-03 20:25:20

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Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Today on the map peenemunde I was manning the Wasserfall and got shot at by enemy tanks and AA. They forced me to shoot inside the enemy base. (But only at those who fired at me and would do damage on hit.) I got kicked by admin because of this. (I think it was Rainman who kicked me, or was it Bock?)

From:
team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=7061

PipeR said:
"Yup you make yourself a legit target if you are sniping, firing AA or a tank out of your main base. This doesnt give the enemy free reign to attack main base though. they can only target active players firing out of main"

RaketenHorst said:
"you do not believe in the seriousness that you can shoot as you like and no one can defend then?

no, no one is allowed to watch as he is being shot .. you should be able to defend yourself .. sounds fair .. here I play big_smile"


From:
team-simple.org/rules/

The server rules say:
"- Attacking the enemy uncapturable main base (basecamping or basebombing) is not allowed. You must not snipe at the main base. You are not allowed to shoot at planes during take-off. All other vehicles must be given the opportunity to leave their base. Nevertheless, it's permitted to air strike at a fireing AA gun or a shooting artillery that's inside the base."

Therefor I think I was not doing anything wrong, I had no option to move away to where I was outside enemy fire. (Wasserfall is stationary) I only shot at enemies who were shooting at me or an ally first. (Having the risk of being 1-shot killed before being allowed to return fire.) This is all completely in line with the server rules, yet I stil got kicked for base attacking. I think some of the server admins need to know the rules they have to enforce better.

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#2 2020-03-03 21:25:55

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Generally the rule is: baseattack is forbidden unless you fire back when being attacked from main base.So your statements regarding the baseattack rule are correct.
I know you play fair usually, still your attititude is sometimes borderline.I wasn't there but I imagine you only fired back and that's ok unless you did it multiple times to destroy big part of enemy tanks/vehicles.Which would make upset some players and create disbalance in the game, don't think?Plus it really looks like a mess into main base and produces nearly same effect of actual baseattack - if repeated a lot of times.Generally it's better to stay away from main base to avoid these kind of situations.
Now please wait for the admin who kicked you.

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#3 2020-03-03 21:56:02

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

HofNerd you attacked and killed Bock but he didn't attack you. And it seems that this happened more than once. Not only Bock complained about you in this round.

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#4 2020-03-03 22:28:14

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

I guess you run the risk of collateral damage when returning fire at hostiles in main base.

Like Paul said, stay away or high and concentrate on supporting or capping those flags.

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#5 2020-03-04 17:02:38

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

I did not want to fire inside the enemy base, the enemy forced me to do it to stay alive.

If Bock was not killed because he attacked me, then he was targetted because he was in the AA firing at an ally. (The north west AA gun in allied base can directly hit the wasserfall, so anyone firing it forces me to take them out to stay alive, as almost always it is manned to kill the wasserfal.)

The enemy team did lose tanks by me shooting in the base, but that was because they were already manned and shooting at me. (Again, I would've died if I didn't shoot them. I attacked without causing colatteral damage according to the killfeed.)

The enemy also used bazookas to kill me, I had to shoot them as a direct hit would have killed me.

Those are all targets I have shot at and the reasons for shooting them.
Again, Bock was only killed because he was shooting and was a threath to me. I did not have time to shoot enemies that weren't attacking me, as many opponents tried to take me down. (That's also why I had to fire inside enemy main base so much all of a sudden.)

Paul Baumer wrote:

Generally the rule is: baseattack is forbidden unless you fire back when being attacked from main base.So your statements regarding the baseattack rule are correct.
I know you play fair usually, still your attititude is sometimes borderline.I wasn't there but I imagine you only fired back and that's ok unless you did it multiple times to destroy big part of enemy tanks/vehicles.Which would make upset some players and create disbalance in the game, don't think?Plus it really looks like a mess into main base and produces nearly same effect of actual baseattack - if repeated a lot of times.Generally it's better to stay away from main base to avoid these kind of situations.
Now please wait for the admin who kicked you.

I completely argree with you that attacking inside the base is to be avoided. I did not want to do it, they kept attacking me from their main base. The wasserfal cannot move away, so the only option is to shoot back, so I did. More people piled on and attacked me from their main base, so I was forced to shoot back to stay alive. I did not kill a single target that was not firing at me or an ally. I am very sure I did not cause any colatteral damage, as wasserfal is pinpoint accurate and killfeed said there was none. I did not destroy any unmanned vehicles/tanks, except those bailed after having shot at me and seeing me making ready to shoot them.

Rainman wrote:

HofNerd you attacked and killed Bock but he didn't attack you. And it seems that this happened more than once. Not only Bock complained about you in this round.

It is true that many complained about me that round, but that was because they think they are immune when firing out of their main base. While the server rules clearly state they aren't. They complained because they believed they were right.

Bad Actor wrote:

I guess you run the risk of collateral damage when returning fire at hostiles in main base.

Like Paul said, stay away or high and concentrate on supporting or capping those flags.

We had all flags and the allies were base locked. They had nowhere to go. So I just waited and sniped those trying to cross the water with the missile. Then suddenly many opponents started firing at me from their main base.

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#6 2020-03-04 17:57:53

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Logs:

03/03/2020 19:52:28 : # [Global] Bock: !wbase
03/03/2020 19:52:58 : # [Global] HofNerd: hello again, bock! :P
03/03/2020 19:53:10 : # [Global] Rainman: Hallo Bock
03/03/2020 19:53:16 : # [Global] Bock: hoi rain
03/03/2020 19:53:40 : # [Axis] HofNerd: island inf
03/03/2020 19:53:43 : # [Axis] HofNerd: dead
03/03/2020 19:54:25 : # [Axis] HofNerd: snipers in enemy base
03/03/2020 19:54:25 : # [Global] Anna Nass: hi all
03/03/2020 19:54:28 : # [Global] Rainman: hi
03/03/2020 19:54:34 : # [Axis] HofNerd: someone plz snipe on enemy base AA
03/03/2020 19:54:53 : # [Axis] HofNerd: they are going to man it non-stop once I get wasserfall
03/03/2020 19:57:10 : # [Global] Bock: super anna..
03/03/2020 19:57:10 : # [Axis] HofNerd: E5 SPAA!
03/03/2020 19:57:37 : # [Axis] HofNerd: island 1 inf
03/03/2020 19:57:40 : # [Axis] HofNerd: north side
03/03/2020 19:57:46 : # [Global] Anna Nass: k
03/03/2020 19:57:49 : # [Global] CYBWELL: hi again
03/03/2020 19:57:53 : # [Axis] HofNerd: good shot
03/03/2020 19:58:01 : # [Global] Anna Nass: hi
03/03/2020 19:58:07 : # [Global] Anna Nass: thx
03/03/2020 19:58:07 : # [Axis] HofNerd: T95 enemy base
03/03/2020 19:58:16 : # [Axis] HofNerd: is shooting
03/03/2020 19:58:31 : # [Axis] HofNerd: lvt inc island
03/03/2020 19:58:37 : # [Allies] Major Bummer: 1 tiger at flag 1
03/03/2020 20:02:13 : # [Global] Major Bummer: hofnerd no base attacks
03/03/2020 20:02:13 : # [Global] CYBWELL: 7
03/03/2020 20:02:43 : # [Global] Major Bummer: hofnerd stop
03/03/2020 20:02:43 : # [Global] Major Bummer: no base attacks
03/03/2020 20:02:58 : # [Global] Bock: sieht ihm ähnlich dem deppn
03/03/2020 20:02:58 : # [Global] CYBWELL: gääähn ... next map pls
03/03/2020 20:03:19 : # [Global] HofNerd: I am not breaking any rules
03/03/2020 20:03:22 : # [Global] HofNerd: you are shooting at me
03/03/2020 20:03:31 : # [Global] Major Bummer: you are base attacking so at least you're being la
03/03/2020 20:03:34 : # [Global] Bock: traga...
03/03/2020 20:03:43 : # [Global] HofNerd: so you no longer have base protection
03/03/2020 20:03:58 : # [Global] Major Bummer: okay, stay lame then, i thought better of you
03/03/2020 20:03:58 : # [Global] HofNerd: you are lame for attacking from the base to someone who
03/03/2020 20:04:10 : # [Global] HofNerd: no reason to attack you due to base protection
03/03/2020 20:04:25 : # [Global] Major Bummer: base attacking is lame and you know it
03/03/2020 20:04:25 : # [Global] HofNerd: it is sad you cannot be brought to reason
03/03/2020 20:05:07 : # [Global] gunslinger: get stoned
03/03/2020 20:05:13 : # [Global] Anna Nass: me too
03/03/2020 20:05:28 : # [Global] Bock: rain if u wanna ban him - feel free
03/03/2020 20:05:28 : # [Global] HofNerd: ffs
03/03/2020 20:05:43 : # [Global] HofNerd: go to forum and read the rules
03/03/2020 20:05:43 : # [Global] gunslinger: lets all just hit the brakes and fire up
03/03/2020 20:05:49 : # [Global] Bock: look my back and ...
03/03/2020 20:06:22 : # [Global] Bock: u think i shoot on you?
03/03/2020 20:06:22 : # [Global] Rainman: !kbase .17
03/03/2020 20:06:25 : Server: Player HofNerd kicked.

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#7 2020-03-04 18:13:02

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

"03/03/2020 19:58:07 : # [Axis] HofNerd: T95 enemy base
03/03/2020 19:58:16 : # [Axis] HofNerd: is shooting"

"Major Bummer: hofnerd no base attacks"

That was a tank (the T95 mentioned driven by Major Bummer) firing in the direction of the island. "is shooting" is what I said to call it out as an active target for air support before I got a chance to shoot it myself. But air support didn't shoot him, so I did. He got angry and said I was baseattacking. I kept saying I was not, as they first made themselves active targets.

It would be really nice to have the feed from before the !wbase too, but I guess next time I should make a screen recording. That way I can show I am not doing anything wrong.

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#8 2020-03-04 19:50:26

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

HofNerd wrote:

It would be really nice to have the feed from before the !wbase too, but I guess next time I should make a screen recording. That way I can show I am not doing anything wrong.

Yup.

Sadly as mentioned in another thread, it's getting to the stage where every player needs to record their sessions as evidence against  accusations.
000 has made a career out of it.

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#9 2020-03-04 21:45:32

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Knowing you I can believe you HofNerd.But at the same time I understand why Rain had to kick you.
My advice is: stay away from main base and avoid borderline situations like this.You're a damn skilled player with a wasserfall and you raped half of enemy team in their base, even if they shoot at you first.Next time stay away from main(like most people do), even if they shoot at you.In this situation it was damn hard to judge correctly and Rainman made the most balanced possible decision.Even better from an admin would be first to talk to you and invite you to avoid main base - but you are a regular player and know these things yourself.
About recording - also because you are a regular player and usually play fair , your word means something to us.I don't think Major Bummer is well informed on the baseattack rule, still his frustration can be understood.Bock is an admin though and he said you baseattacked when you killed him.

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#10 2020-03-05 11:41:21

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Paul Baumer wrote:

Bock is an admin though and he said you baseattacked when you killed him.

I remember he shot down a plane from the AA, killing the pilot right before I killed him with the wasserfal. If possible I'd like to see the killfeed from the moments leading up to the !wbase.

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#11 2020-03-05 11:45:57

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Is Bock really admin?
I dont know if its the same guy from half a year ago, but he couldnt withstand my highscores at Caen etc. and called me numerous times hacker and I should take my hacks off...

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#12 2020-03-05 14:02:08

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

KANER88 wrote:

Is Bock really admin?
I dont know if its the same guy from half a year ago, but he couldnt withstand my highscores at Caen etc. and called me numerous times hacker and I should take my hacks off...

Yea, Bock has called me a hacker or said I had to disable hacks so many times I can't count them on one hand. (Over 31 times in the last few months for sure.) For sniping with the HO229 from far away on kbely, to shooting him down with the MP40 on cassino. I always thought he was just joking?

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#13 2020-03-07 21:10:48

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Nice HofNerd - u live up to your name
how long you play this game... indeed u can shoot in base at enemy whos fireing on you.. thats allowed!
But this time i didnt fire on you... u did a fail and got the bill....not less and not more.
You need to take me here for something I didn't do - needed half hour to translate that incanse below.... ty for that.
sorry rain i dragged you in here - next time i kick or ban him myself.
One tip for free at last for nerdy... if i see u in playerlist i dono enter and go other server... maybe thats an option for you too...

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#14 2020-03-07 21:36:05

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

Bock wrote:

Nice HofNerd - u live up to your name
how long you play this game... indeed u can shoot in base at enemy whos fireing on you.. thats allowed!
But this time i didnt fire on you... u did a fail and got the bill....not less and not more.
You need to take me here for something I didn't do - needed half hour to translate that incanse below.... ty for that.
sorry rain i dragged you in here - next time i kick or ban him myself.
One tip for free at last for nerdy... if i see u in playerlist i dono enter and go other server... maybe thats an option for you too...

Firstly Bock, I think I may have accidentally upset you, and for that I am sorry. I do understand that I can sometimes get on other people's nerves, but that is mostly me just trying to be playful and just joking around with no intention of hurting other peoples feelings. BF1942 is a game afterall, and games are meant for fun. So please, be at ease.

Secondly, I am still convinced that I did not do anything wrong. Yet I understand the complexity of the situation. Kicking me may not have been the right thing to do, but it probably was the lesser of two evils. So for that I am not going to be resentful in any way or form. I am sorry to hear that you needed so much time to translate my previous message, but unfortunately there is not much I can do about that. Please know that I will not avoid you, and I hope you will not avoid me.

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#15 2020-03-07 23:01:42

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Re: Kicked by admin for attacking active targets inside the base

So and now u had the last word and u are happy!
At home i have last word - and thats "yes my dear"

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#16 2020-03-07 23:30:08

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Bock wrote:

So and now u had the last word and u are happy!
At home i have last word - and thats "yes my dear"

I gave you an apology. There is no last word to be had here, as it is the verifiable truth that is being searched for. So this was supposed to not get personal, as the rules are rules.

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