World War III

John Gult · 2022-07-21 11:17:22

Here is information for you, which clearly shows what propaganda and censorship is doing to the West - it hides the truth and cultivates Nazism, because it is beneficial to certain forces.

Interview given by journalist Alina Lipp (Germany) to The Grayzone journalist Max Blumenthal (USA):
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/13/vide … ar-crimes/

Falkon calls his country long-suffering, and he's right. But the blame for the suffering of his country lies with those who revive and cultivate Nazism, and with those who succumbed to this propaganda - Falkon, Joint, etc.

READ. LOOK. THINK.

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Вот вам информация, в которой чётко видно, что делает с Западом пропаганда и цензура, - она скрывает правду и культивирует нацизм, потому что это выгодно определенным силам.

Интервью, которое даёт журналистка Алина Липп (Germany) журналисту «The Grayzone» Max Blumenthal (USA):

Часть 1:
https://inosmi.ru/20220720/donetsk-255101744.html

Часть 2:
https://inosmi.ru/20220721/donbass-255112518.html

Falkon называет свою страну многострадальной, и он прав. Но вина в страданиях его страны лежит на тех, кто возрождает и культивирует нацизм, и на тех, кто поддался этой пропаганде - на Falkon, Joint и т.д.

ЧИТАЙТЕ. СМОТРИТЕ. ДУМАЙТЕ.

Zody · 2022-07-21 12:28:24

Blumenthal found his way out of the washrooms in the Bundestag? what a smart man he is.

"Journalist Alina Lipp" - good joke John

simon · 2022-07-21 13:17:08

John gult sits around all day and reads propaganda. Can't you do anything productive for annexed crimea?

deeko · 2022-07-21 13:18:10

ЧИТАЙТЕ. СМОТРИТЕ. ДУМАЙТЕ.

John Gult · 2022-07-21 13:53:35

simon wrote:

John gult sits around all day and reads propaganda. Can't you do anything productive for annexed crimea?

I have already done enough for the beautiful Crimea, and I continue to do it to the best of my ability.

After returning to Russia, Crimea flourished!

And during the period when Crimea was occupied by Ukraine, it did not develop in any way - Ukraine destroyed Crimea, and when I arrived here in the spring of 2017, Crimea looked like a garbage dump - old, rusty and dirty. Ukraine treated Crimea as a occupied territory - its development stopped in 1991, when the USSR was destroyed. Ukraine did not invest a single hryvnia in Crimea, sucking out all its wealth like a giant vampire (by the way, it did the same with the Donbass). What was worthy in Crimea was the old palaces of Russian tsars and nobles, and the buildings of the USSR. All that Ukraine has built in Crimea is barns made of shit and sticks, often on beaches and in special natural areas. Ukraine has created a kind of kingdom of shantytowns and slums in Crimea. People in Crimea for the past generation in anarchy have forgotten what it means to work and earn money.

Now beautiful new buildings and roads are being built in Crimea, money is being allocated for parks and squares, public spaces, yards and parks. Crimea flourished when Ukraine, which was clinging to it, was cut off from it!

And by the way - in addition to reading the press and restoring Crimea, I swim in the beautiful sea, sunbathe on the beaches, eat amazing Crimean peaches, apricots, grapes, strawberries, cherries, watermelons and melons, drink wonderful Crimean wine, go to the mountains, travel to ancient cities and caves, studying the history of Crimea and our civilization. In general, I enjoy the peaceful sky above my head without the infection of Nazism and the horrors of war.

P.S. Almost all Crimeans said in 2014-2017 - how good it is that Russia has not forgotten us and came to us, if not for this, then blood would be shed here, people would die and buildings would be destroyed, as happened in the Donbass. They told how they came to the referendum in 2014, told how they built barricades and prepared to die, just to keep the infection of Nazism out of Crimea.

Your "independent" media will never talk about this, so at least listen to me as an eyewitness. :-)

And if you want to personally see this - so come to visit. Walk, travel, enjoy, but do not bring blood and death here. By the way, there are a lot of Ukrainian citizens here now, including those in their cars, and no one beats them, insults them, or damages their cars. They live an ordinary, normal life together with Russians, Tatars and other nationalities of great Russia!

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Для прекрасного Крыма я сделал уже достаточно, и продолжаю делать по мере своих сил.

После возвращения в Россию Крым расцвел!

А за тот период, когда Крым был захвачен Украиной, он никак не развивался - Украина уничтожала Крым, и когда я приехал сюда весной 2017, Крым был похож на помойку - старую, ржавую и грязную. Украина относилась к Крыму как к захваченным территориям - его развитие остановилось в 1991 году, когда был уничтожен СССР. Украина не вкладывала в Крым ни гривны, высасывая всего его богатства, как гигантский вампир (она, кстати, так же поступала с Донбассом). Что было достойного в Крыму - так это старые дворцы российских царей и дворян, и здания СССР. Всё, что построила в Крыму Украина - это сараи из говна и палок, часто на пляжах и в особых природных территориях. Украина создало в Крыму эдакое царство шалманов и трущоб. Люди в Крыму за прошедшее в анархии поколение забыли, что значит - работать и зарабатывать.

Сейчас в Крыму строятся новые прекрасные здания, дороги, выделяются деньги на парки и скверы, на общественные пространства, дворы и парки. Крым расцвел, когда от него отрубили присосавшуюся Украину!

И кстати - кроме чтения прессы и восстановления Крыма, я купаюсь в прекрасном море, загораю на пляжах, ем изумительные крымские персики, абрикосы, виноград, кулбнику, черешню, арбузы и дыни, пью замечательное крымское вино, хожу в горы, путешествую по древним городам и пещерам, изучая историю Крыма и нашей цивилизации. Вобщем наслаждаюсь мирным небом над головой без заразы нацизма и ужасов войны.

P.S. Почти все Крымчане говорили 2014-2017 - как хорошо, что Россия не забыла нас и пришла к нам, если бы не это, то здесь бы лилась кровь, гибли люди и разрушались здания, как это происходило на Донбассе. Они рассказывали, как в 2014 вышли на рефрендум, рассказывали как строили баррикады и готовились умирать, лишь бы не пустить в Крым заразу нацизма.

Ваши "независимые" СМИ об этом никогда не расскажут, так что хотя бы меня послушайте, как очевидца. :-)

А если захотите лично в этом убедиться - так приезжайте в гости. Гуляйте, путешествуйте, наслаждайтесь, но не несите сюда кровь и смерть. Кстати - здесь сейчас очень много граждан Украины, в том числе на своих машинах, и никто их не бьет, не оскорбляет, не повреждает их машины. Они живут обычной, нормальной жизнью вместе с русскими, татарами и остальными национальностями великой России!

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deeko · 2022-07-21 15:10:19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgydwlCKnMo

John Gult · 2022-07-22 09:54:31

Already The New York Times (USA) has allowed itself to publish an opinion that “This conflict is not about Ukraine. Her citizens are used as cannon fodder in a war to preserve the failing supremacy of Western elites”:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/19/opin … rview.html

They are preparing to surrender / merge the current Nazi Ukraine and its government, but have not yet decided how to bring the public to this.

In the fall, the tone of the Western media will change more significantly (probably they will eliminate / remove Zelensky, hanging all their mistakes on him, or something else will happen), if there is no direct conflict between Russia and NATO.

Poor Ukraine, poor Ukrainians... So sorry for the people...

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Вот уже и «The New York Times» (USA) позволило себе опубликовать мнение о том, что «Этот конфликт не связан с Украиной. Её граждан используют как пушечное мясо в войне за сохранение рушащегося господства западных элит.»:

https://inosmi.ru/20220722/karaganov-255128045.html

Готовятся сдать/слить нынешнюю нацистскую Украину и её правительство, только пока не определились - как к этому подвести общественность.

Осенью тон Западных СМИ изменится более значительно (наверное устранят/сместят Зеленского, повесив на него все свои ошибки, либо ещё что-то случится), если не произойдёт прямой конфликт РФ-НАТО.

Бедная Украина, бедные украинцы… Так жалко людей…

Zody · 2022-07-22 11:08:18

Its called free press John, something that isnt a thing in Russia. The one saying this is also not the author of the opinion. Its Sergey Karaganov who is being interviewed.

Taken from the article YOU shared:

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Atleast try to be smarter about your pity attempts of deceptions.

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nämeless · 2022-07-22 11:24:34

Today I was a little confused after reading the news about the devaluation of the UAH in Ukraine.

https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2022/07/ … 1360.shtml

There are some thoughts that you will probably not like. I didn't know all this time that the UAH exchange rate was fixed (frozen), starting from 24th of February. All these days it could only be supported by the foreign currency interventions. I do not believe that there is sufficient money supply in Ukraine to engage in currency interventions to support their own exchange UAH rate in such conditions. Hence, there were USD and EUR. It does mean, every European was engaged in charity work in favour of Ukraine, even against his will.

Also, there is actual default in Ukraine. But it hasn't been announced. Also it's all at the expense of the Europeans.

https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/ … li-viplati

Ukraine is becoming a financial black hole. Autumn and winter will be interesting.

There are only 2 alternatives:

1. Refuse the money.
2. Rob Ukraine like a colony like it has been done before to African and Asian colonies. Maybe next year, maybe in 2024.

How do you think what is going to happen?

Zody wrote:

Its called free press

This is the joke of the day.

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persia · 2022-07-22 11:26:31

Zody wrote:

Its called free press John, something that isnt a thing in Russia

There is no free press in any country in the world. All media cover one or another side of the issue, depending on the source of funding/power. don't be stupid

and next time write your message like john, with translation into Russian

John Gult · 2022-07-22 11:32:51

Zody wrote:

Atleast try to be smarter about your pity attempts of deceptions.

Do you really not understand what I'm writing about, or are you pretending?

If - the first, then you are a stupid and uneducated marginal, and there is nothing to discuss with you.

If - the second, then you are trying to troll, but I do not care about it, and there is nothing to discuss with you.

Smart and thinking people will understand what I am writing about. And the rest (like you) - do not care, they do not decide anything.

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Ты правда не понимаешь, о чём я пишу, или притворяешься?

Если - первое, то ты неумный и необразованный маргинал, и с тобой не о чем дискутировать.

Если - второе, то ты пытаешься троллить, но мне на это пофиг, и с тобой не о чем дискутировать.

Умные и думающие люди поймут, о чём я пишу. А на остальных (на таких, как ты) - плевать, они ничего не решают.

Zody · 2022-07-22 11:37:43

persia wrote:

Zody wrote:
Its called free press John, something that isnt a thing in Russia
There is no free press in any country in the world. All media cover one or another side of the issue, depending on the source of funding/power. don't be stupid
and next time write your message like john, with translation into Russian

They all have agendas, doesnt mean that they are not free. This is really a topic that is senseless to discuss with Russians since throughout your history you never had real free press.

Why would I translate my message to Russian? Isnt this an English topic?

Zody · 2022-07-22 11:39:07

John Gult wrote:

Zody wrote:
Atleast try to be smarter about your pity attempts of deceptions.
Do you really not understand what I'm writing about, or are you pretending?
If - the first, then you are a stupid and uneducated marginal, and there is nothing to discuss with you.
If - the second, then you are trying to troll, but I do not care about it, and there is nothing to discuss with you.
Smart and thinking people will understand what I am writing about. And the rest (like you) - do not care, they do not decide anything.
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Ты правда не понимаешь, о чём я пишу, или притворяешься?
Если - первое, то ты неумный и необразованный маргинал, и с тобой не о чем дискутировать.
Если - второе, то ты пытаешься троллить, но мне на это пофиг, и с тобой не о чем дискутировать.
Умные и думающие люди поймут, о чём я пишу. А на остальных (на таких, как ты) - плевать, они ничего не решают.

Why do all you guys always start insulting? Are your arguments and "facts" really this flimsy?

John Gult · 2022-07-22 11:48:58

Zody wrote:

Why do all you guys always start insulting? Are your arguments and "facts" really this flimsy?

Our arguments and facts are clear to those people who know how to think. If you have not been taught to think and analyze by your parents and teachers, then these are not our problems - we are not going to teach you this.

Therefore, our communication is similar to the conversation of a child with an adult.

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Наши аргументы и факты понятны тем людям, которые умеют думать. Если тебя не научили думать и анализировать твои родители и учителя, то это не наши проблемы - учить тебя этому мы не собираемся.

Поэтому наше общение и похоже на разговор ребенка со взрослым человеком.

persia · 2022-07-22 12:28:29

Zody wrote:

They all have agendas, doesnt mean that they are not free. This is really a topic that is senseless to discuss with Russians since throughout your history you never had real free press.

Can you tell us more about freedom and democracy? Imho, only a blind or stupid person has not dispelled this illusory world of the "free West" for himself now. All the objectionable have long been crushed in any country. They just don't do it openly.

In Germany, the media is so free that Russian TV has been banned, and so has the Internet. YouTube has blocked more than 9,000 Russian channels altogether. mmmmmm free press
You can also say that there is a law on foreign agents in Russia. It was adopted a few years ago. At the same time, he does not forbid pouring shit on Russia with Western money, but simply obliged to designate himself as an in.agent. Damn Russians, no freedom!!
By the way, the same law in the USA was adopted in the early 30s.

In Russia, for the last 10 years, there were many channels and radio stations where Putin and the government have been very harshly criticized and poured shit on them 24/7.
Even Putin himself said about it that "they could have said at least something good." And even after that, no one touched them with a finger.
It was closed only at the beginning of the special operation.
more 10 years of continuous work!!(actually since 1991)

Answer me the question, what is it if it is not a free press? I'm definitely waiting for an answer.

upd forgot to add some freedom of the west, just 2 words: twitter+trump

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L0rd Waggachugga · 2022-07-22 12:37:05

Zody · 2022-07-22 12:45:07

https://rsf.org/en/index?year=2022

you can go back to 2002.

https://rsf.org/en/who-are-we

You re press is free until someone comes around and beats the shit out of you for reporting something they dont like

All Western propaganda of course.

Twitter is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.

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persia · 2022-07-22 13:03:06

Zody wrote:

https://rsf.org/en/index?year=2022
you can go back to 2002.
https://rsf.org/en/who-are-we
You re press is free until someone comes around and beats the shit out of you for reporting something they dont like
All Western propaganda of course.
Twitter is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.

in response to my arguments , you post empty chatter with a link to another INDEPENDENT news site, in which, OF COURSE, not neutral news, but another slander of one of the parties to the conflict. rsf.org is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.
You, like Simon, keep your "high" level

not answered my question, Q.E.D.

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KarlsoN · 2022-07-22 13:03:55

Up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01nS_M3PQY

nämeless · 2022-07-22 13:08:34

Zody wrote:

https://rsf.org/en/index?year=2022
you can go back to 2002.
https://rsf.org/en/who-are-we
You re press is free until someone comes around and beats the shit out of you for reporting something they dont like
All Western propaganda of course.
Twitter is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.

The interesting thing is that Ukraine, where it's only 1 TV-channel allowed to work, where the other TV-channels are closed and blocked, where the other political parties are prohibited, where many people are in prisons for their opinions and many just disappeared... The rating is 106. In Russia it's 155. The lower, the worse. This is all we have to know about these ratings.

In Latvia with one of the top indexes (22) all the Russian TV-channels are banned and citizens being fined for 700 EUR for watching them.

Another interesting thing is that in the English version of the Wikipedia article there is almost no information about criticism of these Reporters Without Borders. In Russian version, criticism takes the half of the article.

Zody · 2022-07-22 13:14:53

persia wrote:

Zody wrote:
https://rsf.org/en/index?year=2022
you can go back to 2002.
https://rsf.org/en/who-are-we
You re press is free until someone comes around and beats the shit out of you for reporting something they dont like
All Western propaganda of course.
Twitter is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.
in response to my arguments , you post empty chatter with a link to another INDEPENDENT news site, in which, OF COURSE, not neutral news, but another slander of one of the parties to the conflict. rsf.org is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.
You, like Simon, keep your "high" level
not answered my question, Q.E.D.

I did, you just didnt like my response and again resorted to call me stupid. stay classy persia.

Zody · 2022-07-22 13:16:31

nämeless wrote:

Zody wrote:
https://rsf.org/en/index?year=2022
you can go back to 2002.
https://rsf.org/en/who-are-we
You re press is free until someone comes around and beats the shit out of you for reporting something they dont like
All Western propaganda of course.
Twitter is a private company and they can do what they want on their platform.
The interesting thing is that Ukraine, where it's only 1 TV-channel allowed to work, where the other TV-channels are closed and blocked, where the other political parties are prohibited, where many people are in prisons for their opinions and many just disappeared... The rating is 106. In Russia it's 155. The lower, the worse. This is all we have to know about these ratings.
In Latvia with one of the top indexes (22) all the Russian TV-channels are banned and citizens being fined for 700 EUR for watching them.
Another interesting thing is that in the English version of the Wikipedia article there is almost no information about criticism of these Reporters Without Borders. In Russian version, criticism takes the half of the article.

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nämeless · 2022-07-22 13:24:19

Technically, the ratings about freedom of press (like this one) are all about "They are bad and we mark them red. We are good, we're green. At least yellow.".

Zody · 2022-07-22 13:25:42

KarlsoN wrote:

Up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01nS_M3PQY

The British also always claimed that they brought civilization to their colonies. The Empire also brought exploitation, racism and violence. Fitting comparison to Russian imperalism isnt it?

simon · 2022-07-22 13:26:19

xD smart russians you choose a very right place for your "facts", a bf42 forum where most won't even bother with you and only post smth when they're bored to rile you up becasue after words like "nazi" "dumb" "west propaganda" pop up the most it becomes pretty evident it's all just a rant. Have fun in your endless intelligence

KarlsoN · 2022-07-22 13:55:19

simon wrote:

xD smart russians

not enough smart to use hacks and crash servers.
I bet you you can't blame persia, nameless or me for doing any stupied shit, but talking about all "russians".
I can't say anything bad regarding estonians or some other nations, but i have something to say personally about you.

So please, fuck off with your "smart russians".
Thank you.

persia · 2022-07-22 13:55:48

1.

Persia wrote:

In Russia, for the last 10 years, there were many channels and radio stations where Putin and the government have been very harshly criticized and poured shit on them 24/7.
Even Putin himself said about it that "they could have said at least something good." And even after that, no one touched them with a finger.
It was closed only at the beginning of the special operation.
more 10 years of continuous work!!(actually since 1991)
Answer me the question, what is it if it is not a free press? I'm definitely waiting for an answer.

2.

Zody wrote:

https://rsf.org/en/index?year=2022
you can go back to 2002.
https://rsf.org/en/who-are-we
You re press is free until someone comes around and beats the shit out of you for reporting something they dont like smile
All Western propaganda of course.

3.

Persia wrote:

not answered my question, Q.E.D.

4.

Zody wrote:

I did, you just didnt like my response

where's the answer

Zody · 2022-07-22 14:13:23

you had 4 or 5 good years. I give you that:

https://www.dw.com/en/zombie-tv-the-dis … a-61661855

persia · 2022-07-22 15:10:12

Zody wrote:

This is really a topic that is senseless to discuss with Russians since throughout your history you never had real free press

Zody wrote:

you had 4 or 5 good years.

https://2ch.life/au/src/5903128/16527305603510.gif

everything you need to know about the level of the opponent under the name zody

Zody · 2022-07-22 15:16:44

persia wrote:

Zody wrote:
This is really a topic that is senseless to discuss with Russians since throughout your history you never had real free press
Zody wrote:
you had 4 or 5 good years.
https://2ch.life/au/src/5903128/16527305603510.gif
everything you need to know about the level of the opponent under the name zody

thats your problem in this thread and also with the situation right now. you want to win. you have no interest to get to the bottom of this because you wanne win. thats why you believe all the lies that your government throws at you right now. And they know you want to win too.

pshh, good years doesnt mean real free press

edit: the good years werent really good afterall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j … _in_Russia

comparison with Europe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j … _in_Europe

I know where I would rather work as journalist

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#986 2022-07-22 13:55:19

Re: World War III

#987 2022-07-22 13:55:48

Re: World War III

#988 2022-07-22 14:13:23

Re: World War III

#989 2022-07-22 15:10:12

Re: World War III

#990 2022-07-22 15:16:44

Re: World War III

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