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Zwarrior

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Great article about why all containment measures are so important: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavi … d3d9cd99ca

Thanks, the article is very interesting. People are stupid, not sure if the majority could get it correctly. It reminds me of what happened in Spain or Portugal when the universities were closed on quarantine and the students went to the beaches all together.

actually it is much worse than that, the students went to the closest bar/club with their group of friends to drink alcohol etc, then after this happened groups of family moved from the capital (which had more than half of cases in the whole country) to the coast side in order to stay there for 15 days, in other words, there will be much more infected people here.

jorgen

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Arkos

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In Austria they went complete crazy.

> No train or flight from and into swiss.

> Prohibition of assembly (Max 5 people) 

> Restaurants closed.  (Play yards and Sports fields, etc.)

How you wanna do that if people have nothing to do and on the other side they must get food?

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jorgen

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this must be some weapons grade virus. never has there been anything like this during a outbreak.

Arkos

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It's somehow famous for politicians to act hysteric.

On the other side if they do nothing and it get worse they themself are fuct up.

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Btw. Here in Swiss all those people who died where ~old and had other sicknesses.

If, then i could be a candidate with my Copd, but Children don't even show real symptoms.

They act like it would be same as between 1918-1920, where 50'000'000 people died of the spanish flue.

But there the young people died in mass because of an overreaction of the own Immunsystem.

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Here you can see that this strategy does not work as expected.

A short vid about the Nightlive in Zürich.

https://www.srf.ch/play/tv/_/video/_?id … Ratio=16_9

Ok, many clubs shut down and other events too, but i can't even imaging that people just stay at home.

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joint

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for politics its better overreact and get hype on nothing, its wont be worse for them in anycase

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this global corona panic-hysteria-scare overreaction will go down in history as a case that exposes how dumb most people are, including world leaders

i'll repeat : the norm is 450.000 annual deaths from influenza. 7000 coronadeaths so far, this is a ridiculously small amout compared to that. coronadeaths mostly only hit the very old and those weakened from other diseases. global corona death rate seems to be around 1%

this global shutdown will be incredibly expensive, will indirectly cost more lives due to effects of weakened economy and altered habits and environments, plus it'll likely trigger another global financial crisis, or maybe even new wars

nothing should have been shut down anywhere on planet earth, this corona outbreak should have been handled just as influenza has been handled last 30+ years worldwide; by not shutting down anything

Panzermensch

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I live in poland and people here are crazy and in panic about corona. We have 3 deaths here, people who died were old and weak.
When i was in supermarket like 2 days ago - people were in panic (they still are), they bought a lot of pasta, water, canned food and toilet paper.
It looked like they preparing to survive a war or something.
Our government decided to close churches and borders for foreginers, restaurants and some shops.
Today i heard that in my city some dudes were fighting in shop for meat.
Why people must be so stupid

Dionysus

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Serbia declared state of emergency as of today.
I'm still fine, chinese cigarettes made me so strong.

ziba128

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this global corona panic-hysteria-scare overreaction will go down in history as a case that exposes how dumb most people are, including world leaders

i'll repeat : the norm is 450.000 annual deaths from influenza. 7000 coronadeaths so far, this is a ridiculously small amout compared to that. coronadeaths mostly only hit the very old and those weakened from other diseases. global corona death rate seems to be around 1%

this global shutdown will be incredibly expensive, will indirectly cost more lives due to effects of weakened economy and altered habits and environments, plus it'll likely trigger another global financial crisis, or maybe even new wars

nothing should have been shut down anywhere on planet earth, this corona outbreak should have been handled just as influenza has been handled last 30+ years worldwide; by not shutting down anything

Nice, so it's okay if:
- elderly people die of pneumonia in hospitals or even at home because there is simply no doctors and ICU beds;
- same but for any age people and any other reason of death (Infarction, stroke, thrombosis, injury etc.) - most of/all the doctors and ICU beds are busy with infected;
- millions are infected and ill, including you, probably with pneumonia (mild symptoms, not lethal, but again - you don't receive any care from doctors)?
All of that is happening in Italy and Iran right now - it's really okay, I guess

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«In one of the non-stop e-mails that I receive from my hospital administration on a more than daily basis, there was a paragraph on "how to be responsible on social media", with some recommendations that we all can agree on. After thinking for a long time if and what to write about what's happening here, I felt that silence was not responsible. I will therefore try to convey to lay-people, those who are more distant from our reality, what we are experiencing in Bergamo during these Covid-19 pandemic days. I understand the need not to panic, but when the message of the danger of what is happening is not out, and I still see people ignoring the recommendations and people who gather together complaining that they cannot go to the gym or play soccer tournaments, I shiver. I also understand the economic damage and I am also worried about that. After this epidemic, it will be hard to start over.

Still, beside the fact that we are also devastating our national health system from an economic point of view, I want to point out that the public health damage that is going to invest the country is more important and I find it nothing short of "chilling" that new quarantine areas requested by the Region has not yet been established for the municipalities of Alzano Lombardo and Nembro (I would like to clarify that this is purely personal opinion). I myself looked with some amazement at the reorganization of the entire hospital in the previous week, when our current enemy was still in the shadows: the wards slowly "emptied", elective activities interrupted, intensive care unit freed to create as many beds as possible. Containers arriving in front of the emergency room to create diversified routes and avoid infections. All this rapid transformation brought in the hallways of the hospital an atmosphere of surreal silence and emptiness that we did not understand, waiting for a war that had yet to begin and that many (including me) were not so sure would never come with such ferocity (I open a parenthesis: all this was done in the shadows, and without publicity, while several newspapers had the courage to say that private health care was not doing anything).

I still remember my night shift a week ago spent without any rest, waiting for a call from the microbiology department. I was waiting for the results of a swab taken from the first suspect case in our hospital, thinking about what consequences it would have for us and the hospital. If I think about it, my agitation for one possible case seems almost ridiculous and unjustified, now that I have seen what is happening. Well, the situation is now nothing short of dramatic. No other words come to mind. The war has literally exploded and battles are uninterrupted day and night. One after the other, these unfortunate people come to the emergency room. They have far from the complications of a flu. Let's stop saying it's a bad flu. In my two years working in Bergamo, I have learned that the people here do not come to the emergency room for no reason. They did well this time too. They followed all the recommendations given: a week or ten days at home with a fever without going out to prevent contagion, but now they can't take it anymore. They don't breathe enough, they need oxygen. Drug therapies for this virus are few.

The course mainly depends on our organism. We can only support it when it can't take it anymore. It is mainly hoped that our body will eradicate the virus on its own, let's face it. Antiviral therapies are experimental on this virus and we learn its behavior day after day. Staying at home until the symptoms worsen does not change the prognosis of the disease. Now, however, that need for beds in all its drama has arrived. One after another, the departments that had been emptied are filling up at an impressive rate. The display boards with the names of the sicks, of different colors depending on the department they belong to, are now all red and instead of the surgical procedure, there is the diagnosis, which is always the same: bilateral interstitial pneumonia. Now, tell me which flu virus causes such a rapid tragedy.

Because that's the difference (now I get a little technical): in classical flu, besides that it infects much less population over several months, cases are complicated less frequently: only when the virus has destroyed the protective barriers of our airways and as such it allows bacteria (which normally resident in the upper airways) to invade the bronchi and lungs, causing a more serious disease. Covid 19 causes a banal flu in many young people, but in many elderly people (and not only) a real SARS because it invades the alveoli of the lungs directly, and it infects them making them unable to perform their function. The resulting respiratory failure is often serious and after a few days of hospitalization, the simple oxygen that can be administered in a ward may not be enough. Sorry, but to me, as a doctor, it's not reassuring that the most serious are mainly elderly people with other pathologies. The elderly population is the most represented in our country and it is difficult to find someone who, above 65 years of age, does not take at least a pill for high blood pressure or diabetes.

I can also assure you that when you see young people who end up intubated in the ICU, pronated or worse, in ECMO (a machine for the worst cases, which extracts the blood, re-oxygenates it and returns it to the body, waiting for the lungs to hopefully heal), all this confidence for your young age goes away. And while there are still people on social media who boast of not being afraid by ignoring the recommendations, protesting that their normal lifestyle habits have "temporarily" halted, the epidemiological disaster is taking place. And there are no more surgeons, urologists, orthopedists, we are only doctors who suddenly become part of a single team to face this tsunami that has overwhelmed us.

The cases multiply, up to a rate of 15-20 hospitalizations a day all for the same reason. The results of the swabs now come one after the other: positive, positive, positive. Suddenly the emergency room is collapsing. Emergency provisions are issued: help is needed in the emergency room. A quick meeting to learn how the to use to emergency room EHR and a few minutes later I'm already downstairs, next to the warriors on the war front. The screen of the PC with the chief complaint is always the same: fever and respiratory difficulty, fever and cough, respiratory insufficiency etc ... Exams, radiology always with the same sentence: bilateral interstitial pneumonia. All needs to be hospitalized. Some already needs to be intubated, and goes to the ICU. For others, however, it is late. ICU is full, and when ICUs are full, more are created. Each ventilator is like gold: those in the operating rooms that have now suspended their non-urgent activity are used and the OR become a an ICU that did not exist before. I found it amazing, or at least I can speak for Humanitas Gavazzeni (where I work), how it was possible to put in place in such a short time a deployment and a reorganization of resources so finely designed to prepare for a disaster of this magnitude. And every reorganization of beds, wards, staff, work shifts and tasks is constantly reviewed day after day to try to give everything and even more. Those wards that previously looked like ghosts are now saturated, ready to try to give their best for the sick, but exhausted. The staff is exhausted. I saw fatigue on faces that didn't know what it was despite the already grueling workloads they had. I have seen people still stop beyond the times they used to stop already, for overtime that was now habitual. I saw solidarity from all of us, who never failed to go to our internist colleagues to ask "what can I do for you now?" or "leave that admission to me, i will take care of it." Doctors who move beds and transfer patients, who administer therapies instead of nurses. Nurses with tears in their eyes because we are unable to save everyone and the vital signs of several patients at the same time reveal an already marked destiny. There are no more shifts, schedules.

Social life is suspended for us. I have been separated for a few months, and I assure you that I have always done my best to constantly see my son even on the day after a night shift, without sleeping and postponing sleep until when I am without him, but for almost 2 weeks I have voluntarily not seen neither my son nor my family members for fear of infecting them and in turn infecting an elderly grandmother or relatives with other health problems. I'm happy with some photos of my son that I look at between tears and a few video calls. So you should be patient too, you can't go to the theater, museums or gym. Try to have mercy on that myriad of older people you could exterminate. It is not your fault, I know, but of those who put it in your head that you are exaggerating and even this testimony may seem just an exaggeration for those who are far from the epidemic, but please, listen to us, try to leave the house only to indispensable things. Do not go en masse to make stocks in supermarkets: it is the worst thing because you concentrate and the risk of contacts with infected people who do not know they are infected. You can go there without a rush. Maybe if you have a normal mask (even those that are used to do certain manual work), put it on. Don't look for ffp2 or ffp3. Those should serve us and we are beginning to struggle to find them. By now we have had to optimize their use only in certain circumstances, as the WHO recently recommended in view of their almost ubiquitous running low. Oh yes, thanks to the shortage of certain protection devices, many colleagues and I are certainly exposed despite all the other means of protection we have. Some of us have already become infected despite the protocols. Some infected colleagues also have infected relatives and some of their family members are already struggling between life and death. We are where your fears could make you stay away. Try to make sure you stay away.

Tell your family members who are elderly or with other illnesses to stay indoors. Bring him the groceries please. We have no alternative. It's our job. Indeed what I do these days is not really the job I'm used to, but I do it anyway and I will like it as long as it responds to the same principles: try to make some sick people feel better and heal, or even just alleviate the suffering and the pain to those who unfortunately cannot heal. I don't spend a lot of words about the people who define us heroes these days and who until yesterday were ready to insult and report us. Both will return to insult and report as soon as everything is over. People forget everything quickly. And we're not even heroes these days. It's our job. We risked something bad every day before: when we put our hands in a belly full of someone's blood we don't even know if they have HIV or hepatitis C; when we do it even though we know they have HIV or hepatitis C; when we stick ourselves during an operation on a patient with HIV and take the drugs that make us vomit all day long for a month. When we read with anguish the results of the blood tests after an accidental needlestick, hoping not to be infected. We simply earn our living with something that gives us emotions. It doesn't matter if they are beautiful or ugly, we just take them home. In the end we only try to make ourselves useful for everyone. Now try to do it too, though: with our actions we influence the life and death of a few dozen people. You with yours, many more. Please share and share the message. We need to spread the word to prevent what is happening here from happening all over Italy.»

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joint

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Serbia declared state of emergency as of today.
I'm still fine, chinese cigarettes made me so strong.

it must be cocaine made you so smart then?

Dionysus

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Serbia declared state of emergency as of today.
I'm still fine, chinese cigarettes made me so strong.

it must be cocaine made you so smart then?

Cocaine gives me extra energy and busts my senses, the purest coce, the better is.
U know, i don't use that cheap shit that u inhale.. like glue, crystal, crack...

Hydra{SRB}

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Yea Serbia is on lock down... Military is going to take over from the police.

bud

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Swedun: chillin. https://www.politico.eu/article/how-eur … -pandemic/

Other measures: The government has so far taken less drastic measures than others in Europe.

Panic level: 3/10

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Sunshine

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I was taken to my favorite restaurant for dinner. It's a pretty popular place and Sundays are usually a bit crowded. It was basically us, 2 others, and the employees. My food was ready quickly. I feel bad for them because this started awhile ago... people  didn't go because they're asian, but not even Chinese. All of these type of businesses will be affected so we were quite generous with our tips. Nothing they did caused this. Hopefully our little extra will help them even if it's just a little bit.

nämeless

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People in church in Saint Petersburg are going to kiss the relics of John the Baptist. The same spot, all together. No way for Coronavirus.

bud

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Taking action without shutting everything down.
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https://youtu.be/YfsdJGj3-jM

AlboBallist

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1. Four cases on my region. City blocked.
2. Flight to Germany cancelled due to national quarantine.
3. Work currently closed, so no salary.
4. Prices everywhere got so high, up to 200+%.

Omg I'm so doomed .

Unit 17

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It's informative (and disturbing) to find out what is happening in all different parts of the world on the forum here. Probably a truer reflection of the problem than I would get from any main stream news source here in Australia. I just can't believe that here, no one (the state and federal governments) seem to have the balls to even commit to closing the schools, universities, pubs/clubs or even some sporting matches. Even moreso our international borders! Seems the mighty $$ rules all! Panic buying has just hit supermarkets and positive cases have started to rise significantly here in the last 24 hrs, Yet our government pretty much says 'lets just wait & see'. Fools!! If there is a chance of mitigating the spread of this virus here, they should be more pro-active and taking action now after seeing the toll it is taking in parts of Europe. I spent 22 years in the Australian Navy and 12 years in the Diplomatic Corp which entailed a hell of a lot of humanitarian missions to countries less fortunate than mine dealing with war, famine and disease. These current events are something quite removed from that. Whatever your beliefs, I wish all of you and your families/friends the best, stay strong.

Paul Baumer

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000 pray God it doesn't come to your place.If it does you will change your opinion pretty soon.I live in Italy and I know what I'm talking about while you have no idea, and your data is outdated.You have no brain man and your annoying posts confirm your gameplay of an uncaring badass.
Who the hell cares about money in the pocket when you can die from such a bad thing?Or your friends or relatives?

To other people who can be reasonable: stay home and take care of yourself.

Arkos

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1. Four cases on my region. City blocked.
2. Flight to Germany cancelled due to national quarantine.
3. Work currently closed, so no salary.
4. Prices everywhere got so high, up to 200+%.

Omg I'm so doomed .

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Here you get even the money if you can't go to work if you have to take care of children because the school is closed.

And if your company has less work, workers still get the salary. Ofc there are also some, they don't get money from anywhere. if they have less work. But they are working also on a solution for those.

Prices are the same.

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I was just reading that The FED in USA reduced the base rate drastically.

Usually in crysis people buy gouverment bonds, but not this time. They try to sell it to get money, to be liquid.

It's different this time and this could produce a crash. So the FED will buy bonds now for 700 billion $.

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joint

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People in church in Saint Petersburg are going to kiss the relics of John the Baptist. The same spot, all together. No way for Coronavirus.

https://i.imgur.com/4Wbkj7R.jpg

if in SP ppl get sick all together- thats because of lack of faith in Johnny man, at least everything is clear here

jorgen

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https://www.nrk.no/urix/trump-tilbod-en … 1.14946282

that is fucked up. usa want's to buy the first rights to a vaccination.

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I was just reading that The FED in USA reduced the base rate drastically.

Usually in crysis people buy gouverment bonds, but not this time. They try to sell it to get money, to be liquid.

It's different this time and this could produce a crash.
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Sad that cutting rates didn't helped the fall..Yet Crash continues..same happend in Japan..they relaesed speacial packages in economy to balance the shortfall..nothing worked..I really feel so much pity for the investors.Trillions of money is vanished...It is like for example yesterday.. you are holding 1.million worth shares..By today market opening its value is 0.95 million or 0.90 million..Everday 5% fall..Today its much worse..all this fuck is going on bcoz of dirty corona...It is scaring the hell out of investors confidence..

All the world markets are following a series..It starts from Japan and AUS..If their markets are green..the rest Asian stocks (China, Indonesia,Singapire,Hongkong..etc.,)will remain green  followed by Indian market and then European markets and finally US follows..It happens vice versa

I have sited the Ironic scene on Last Friday.. All asian stock markets opened deadly low.NSE of India followed the same and opened low..@9:15am here In first 10 mins, it fell by 10%..nearly 1000 points. Then exchange was halted ..bcoz Nse broke all the lower circuits(lowest level the market is supposed to fall)..exchange is resumed after 1 hr @10:25 am...NSe recovered 1000 points and bounced back to +5%.. It was really Historic moment..That day is the highest recovery on intraday in any exchange..After few hours with this confidance European markets opened +4 to +5 %..same with US..it ended higher..

Sorry I typed lot of shit..

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Arkos

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15:31 Credit Suisse advises the customers to sell their shares.

What a signal, ... that means tomorrow it's even worse.

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That pic says much about the situation

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Goldie

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30 cases in georgia, mostly 50 year old, only 1 teen was infected from his grandmother from italy, it happened in our capital Tbilisi, i believe borders are open so i can fly to Istanbul for medical reasons

Hydra{SRB}

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Serbia

Arkos

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Now they closed all Restaurants, Bars, all Clubs-activities etc. Swisswide.

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joint

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Ukraine closes borders, a little bit late, yesterday in Kyiv a fair been still held place, full of food !, only today it was canceled

yesterday:

..there is major is former boxer, he is brave guy

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Sunshine

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If you see a small "mom and pop shop/restaurant" that is still open, please go there. They need a lot of help during these times.