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Arkos

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That's a hard view.

You know, ... in Italy they had to choose by age, because they had not enough respirators.

And if you have 500 Respirators and 1500 patients, you have to decide who has the best chance to survive.

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Btw. You don't die because of Morphine nor does it make you die faster. 

It's just against the Pain, Stress and Fear. 

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In Italy and here in Spain too.

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That's a hard view.

You know, ... in Italy they had to choose by age, because they had not enough respirators.

And if you have 500 Respirators and 1500 patients, you have to decide who has the best chance to survive.

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Btw. You don't die because of Morphine nor does it make you die faster. 

It's just against the Pain, Stress and Fear. 

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"Morfin weakens your brains respiratory functions, so instead of helping them with extra oxygen or other medicine, they more or less kill them off instead."

¿ is he clear or still not?

Arkos

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Not really, ...

Morphine has not this effect on the brain but an antitussive effect and it slows down the Heartbeat.

There are side effects if you take Morphin beside other medicaments.

But yes, perhaps it's not the right if you are suffering badly because of a hard CoVid-19 lung infection.

On the other side it's helping against the pain, stress and fear.

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You know, they made a docu from the Hospitals CoVid-19 Intensiv-Station.

Those doctor said, it's really not easy to fight the CoVid-19 Lung Infection.

They have constantly to adjust the respirators.

And those medicaments which helps really vs. a viral LungInfection are meanwhile limited or rare.

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I don't think they run out of Oxygen, but Respirators and Intensivstation beds.

In entire Switzerland we have somehow 1600 IntensivStationBeds for 8 Million people. (Meanwhile the made additional Stations, which are not used anymore. Let's hope it stays like this).

And in other countries it's not better. 

First people get Oxygen, but there are cases where the patient can't breath allone anymore and then you need Respirators. 

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I wonder Arkos, in which sphere of all humanity's knowledge you are bad?
Looks like you know literally everything.

000

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pretty sad to see how most of you get uncomfortable, and cant handle it when somebody disagrees with you

youre almost all out of touch with reality and in heavy denial. you WANT to believe in this petty disease. as soon evidence shows that what you believe in is a big lie, you freak out

the coronavirus death rate is about 0.3 %. if 1000 humans get infected, around 3 will die from it. those most vulnerable are old men around age 80, with already existing serious diseases. healthy individuals below age 60 will almost certainly not die from it

around 450.000 die from influenza globally, annually. if we shut down planet earth each year, to stop the spread of that common flu, tens of thousands of those lives could be saved. but we have never done that anywhere, and we should not, since it would cause economical disaster

this worldwide corona panicky overreaction, will go down in history as one of the most pointless and dumbest self destructive actions ever

in five years, some of you might wake up and see how retarded this shutdown was, and how much destruction it caused compared to the small and insignificant flu-like disease called corona. its a completely unnecessary collective economic suicide

ruined economy and changed habits will cause more deaths in the near future, than the corona have. a small part of this will be that hospitals and healthcare sectors around the world will be degraded from poor finances, to such a degree that it will cause millions of deaths

bad global economy equals higher worldwide mortality, hundreds of thousands extra deaths, all not related to coronavirus

90+ % of earths population are followers, copiers, non-thinkers, mindless sheep without sense of proportions and no overview, easily influenced and manipulated by mass media

stay home, stay safe is the dumbest phrase ever. it shows how big cowards most people are, and how scared they are of diseases

nothing should have been shut down anywhere

you will all suffer the next 5+ years from the effects of global economy destroyed

everybody supporting nationwide / global shutdowns, are extremely selfish and guilty of mass murder

Arkos

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That's not really true.

The Lockdown was good, making people understand that this Flu is different.

No one wanna see their family members dieing because of a flu and they had not enough equipement for so many people at once.

If they did not react like this, the death rate would be everywhere 10% and higher.  (As it is in Italy).

And no... the Deathrate is not 0.3%.

You know, next week they go back to average normal here, but keeping distance is still the best and still a must and i guess wearing masks in trains would not be wrong. (Last is my opinion.)

Perhaps that Lockdown was also good to recognize what can happen, if you let everything produce in China or other countries.

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pretty sad to see how most of you get uncomfortable, and cant handle it when somebody disagrees with you

youre almost all out of touch with reality and in heavy denial. you WANT to believe in this petty disease. as soon evidence shows that what you believe in is a big lie, you freak out

the coronavirus death rate is about 0.3 %. if 1000 humans get infected, around 3 will die from it. those most vulnerable are old men around age 80, with already existing serious diseases. healthy individuals below age 60 will almost certainly not die from it

around 450.000 die from influenza globally, annually. if we shut down planet earth each year, to stop the spread of that common flu, tens of thousands of those lives could be saved. but we have never done that anywhere, and we should not, since it would cause economical disaster

this worldwide corona panicky overreaction, will go down in history as one of the most pointless and dumbest self destructive actions ever

in five years, some of you might wake up and see how retarded this shutdown was, and how much destruction it caused compared to the small and insignificant flu-like disease called corona. its a completely unnecessary collective economic suicide

ruined economy and changed habits will cause more deaths in the near future, than the corona have. a small part of this will be that hospitals and healthcare sectors around the world will be degraded from poor finances, to such a degree that it will cause millions of deaths

bad global economy equals higher worldwide mortality, hundreds of thousands extra deaths, all not related to coronavirus

90+ % of earths population are followers, copiers, non-thinkers, mindless sheep without sense of proportions and no overview, easily influenced and manipulated by mass media

stay home, stay safe is the dumbest phrase ever. it shows how big cowards most people are, and how scared they are of diseases

nothing should have been shut down anywhere

you will all suffer the next 5+ years from the effects of global economy destroyed

everybody supporting nationwide / global shutdowns, are extremely selfish and guilty of mass murder

this happened here in my country:

A woman was walking by the streets without having to due to state of alarm, three policeman asked her to get back to her home, she refused to and for that was going to be arrested, now ¿what did she do whe she was going to get arrested? She coughed at the face of the three policeman unknowing if she was infected.

knowing this ¿what would you think these policemans  family would think or feel about this?

¿what if this people had child or relatives that depends from them killing them  by being intentional infected? (i hope i typed this correctly)

this could happen way more often with your point of view.

Imagine that we are not isolated and this happen to one of your relatives giving the result of death ¿how would you feel?

This ain´t a normal flu, this is a virus that we have never seeing before, a virus that kills more than 50 people every day and not only the old ones, think about it.

Arkos

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Due 1918-1920 ~50 million people died because of flu.

But yes, "we" did not see such a flu before.

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Here you see the situation of those listet countries by clicking on them.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar … 7b48e9ecf6

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Zwarrior

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Due 1918-1920 ~50 million people died because of flu.

But yes, "we" did not see such a flu before.

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Here you see the situation of those listet countries by clicking on them.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar … 7b48e9ecf6

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I will type it again:

Those numbers we are seeing in that link are not true buddy, our gov confirmed it, we have the double or more.
Also some other countries are not giving true numbers.
¿Do you really think that for example China gave their true numbers about this disease knowing that china is well known for not been transparent?

joint

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pretty sad to see how most of you get uncomfortable, and cant handle it when somebody disagrees with you

youre almost all out of touch with reality and in heavy denial. you WANT to believe in this petty disease. as soon evidence shows that what you believe in is a big lie, you freak out

the coronavirus death rate is about 0.3 %. if 1000 humans get infected, around 3 will die from it. those most vulnerable are old men around age 80, with already existing serious diseases. healthy individuals below age 60 will almost certainly not die from it

around 450.000 die from influenza globally, annually. if we shut down planet earth each year, to stop the spread of that common flu, tens of thousands of those lives could be saved. but we have never done that anywhere, and we should not, since it would cause economical disaster

this worldwide corona panicky overreaction, will go down in history as one of the most pointless and dumbest self destructive actions ever

in five years, some of you might wake up and see how retarded this shutdown was, and how much destruction it caused compared to the small and insignificant flu-like disease called corona. its a completely unnecessary collective economic suicide

ruined economy and changed habits will cause more deaths in the near future, than the corona have. a small part of this will be that hospitals and healthcare sectors around the world will be degraded from poor finances, to such a degree that it will cause millions of deaths

bad global economy equals higher worldwide mortality, hundreds of thousands extra deaths, all not related to coronavirus

90+ % of earths population are followers, copiers, non-thinkers, mindless sheep without sense of proportions and no overview, easily influenced and manipulated by mass media

stay home, stay safe is the dumbest phrase ever. it shows how big cowards most people are, and how scared they are of diseases

nothing should have been shut down anywhere

you will all suffer the next 5+ years from the effects of global economy destroyed

everybody supporting nationwide / global shutdowns, are extremely selfish and guilty of mass murder

you think so probably because you simplify the picture and cant see the situation in a whole, again, death rate is not only variable here.
i sure in 3 year you will understand how naive you was with your deep teenage analysis

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There are 183957 inflected in Italy, 24648 are dead. Hope you can calculate the death rate.

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I wonder Arkos, in which sphere of all humanity's knowledge you are bad?
Looks like you know literally everything.

Arkos doesn't need knowledge, knowledge needs him.

Arkos

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You know, if you look at a list like this one...

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar … 7b48e9ecf6

Then you should not look at countries like Nigeria, Brasilia or China. But the numbers in USA, and Europe are not that wrong.

What i know from Swiss, the number of recovered, (Button), is just from those people who were in Hospital in a danger situation.

Those who were just in Selfisolation (or perhaps also some days in Hospital) are not in that recovered list.

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Arkos

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The man who handles the Corona Crysis in Switzerland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2PA5Y5 … e=youtu.be

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Since 2 days they have no new cases in Kanton Basel.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experienc … 2ad26df3ae  (Swisswide interactive Overview)

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https://www.srf.ch/news/international/s … fallzahlen (Scroll down)

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pretty sad to see how most of you get uncomfortable, and cant handle it when somebody disagrees with you

youre almost all out of touch with reality and in heavy denial. you WANT to believe in this petty disease. as soon evidence shows that what you believe in is a big lie, you freak out

the coronavirus death rate is about 0.3 %. if 1000 humans get infected, around 3 will die from it. those most vulnerable are old men around age 80, with already existing serious diseases. healthy individuals below age 60 will almost certainly not die from it

around 450.000 die from influenza globally, annually. if we shut down planet earth each year, to stop the spread of that common flu, tens of thousands of those lives could be saved. but we have never done that anywhere, and we should not, since it would cause economical disaster

this worldwide corona panicky overreaction, will go down in history as one of the most pointless and dumbest self destructive actions ever

in five years, some of you might wake up and see how retarded this shutdown was, and how much destruction it caused compared to the small and insignificant flu-like disease called corona. its a completely unnecessary collective economic suicide

ruined economy and changed habits will cause more deaths in the near future, than the corona have. a small part of this will be that hospitals and healthcare sectors around the world will be degraded from poor finances, to such a degree that it will cause millions of deaths

bad global economy equals higher worldwide mortality, hundreds of thousands extra deaths, all not related to coronavirus

90+ % of earths population are followers, copiers, non-thinkers, mindless sheep without sense of proportions and no overview, easily influenced and manipulated by mass media

stay home, stay safe is the dumbest phrase ever. it shows how big cowards most people are, and how scared they are of diseases

nothing should have been shut down anywhere

you will all suffer the next 5+ years from the effects of global economy destroyed

everybody supporting nationwide / global shutdowns, are extremely selfish and guilty of mass murder

There are so many "wrongs" here, it is not even worth the amount of key strokes to correct.

around 450.000 die from influenza globally, annually. if we shut down planet earth each year, to stop the spread of that common flu, tens of thousands of those lives could be saved. 

At least one is partially correct.

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With pre conditions, old age included, so more of an anybody death rate, overall for the species, its at least 18%, so more lethal than SARS, less than MERS

Pleiades53

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Where I live in the USA, we have as of today, 20,156 cases confirmed in my small State. We also have 1,446 deaths. Our ratio sits at ROUGHLY 20:1
For percentage, that equates to 5% death rate here. Also roughly 17 times GREATER, then the aforementioned .3% This number also reflects this area HAS INDEED been participating in social distancing and masks. For someone to believe the measures taken have NOT reduced deaths, well then the Earth is INDEED FLAT and the Moon landings never happened and the Holocaust never happened. Reality is quite different than perception or belief.

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pretty sad to see how most of you get uncomfortable, and cant handle it when somebody disagrees with you

youre almost all out of touch with reality and in heavy denial. you WANT to believe in this petty disease. as soon evidence shows that what you believe in is a big lie, you freak out

the coronavirus death rate is about 0.3 %. if 1000 humans get infected, around 3 will die from it. those most vulnerable are old men around age 80, with already existing serious diseases. healthy individuals below age 60 will almost certainly not die from it

around 450.000 die from influenza globally, annually. if we shut down planet earth each year, to stop the spread of that common flu, tens of thousands of those lives could be saved. but we have never done that anywhere, and we should not, since it would cause economical disaster

this worldwide corona panicky overreaction, will go down in history as one of the most pointless and dumbest self destructive actions ever

in five years, some of you might wake up and see how retarded this shutdown was, and how much destruction it caused compared to the small and insignificant flu-like disease called corona. its a completely unnecessary collective economic suicide

ruined economy and changed habits will cause more deaths in the near future, than the corona have. a small part of this will be that hospitals and healthcare sectors around the world will be degraded from poor finances, to such a degree that it will cause millions of deaths

bad global economy equals higher worldwide mortality, hundreds of thousands extra deaths, all not related to coronavirus

90+ % of earths population are followers, copiers, non-thinkers, mindless sheep without sense of proportions and no overview, easily influenced and manipulated by mass media

stay home, stay safe is the dumbest phrase ever. it shows how big cowards most people are, and how scared they are of diseases

nothing should have been shut down anywhere

you will all suffer the next 5+ years from the effects of global economy destroyed

everybody supporting nationwide / global shutdowns, are extremely selfish and guilty of mass murder

Keep wachting fox news, go protest against shutdown and get the virus idiot !!!  BTW the ones that are dying from it are those that builted that economi !!!   Not there fault if you did not put money a side for hard times !!!!

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U ppl must understand that zero has no job and he lives from social help provided by his government.
He's afraid that his country's economy could go to shit due to quarantine, so he will have to start working.
No more 15 hour gameplay, no more free money..

Arkos

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Bf-Soldiers view is somehow the same as to say saving Co2 is paid by lifes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PztiWZ0Dh8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … e=emb_logo

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Ofc this Lockdown has concequences as it has after a StockMarket- or BankCrash.

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Morphine has not this effect on the brain but an antitussive effect and it slows down the Heartbeat.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine

Arkos

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Yes, but not the O2-CO2 Transfer itself. This is meant in case of respiration mechanism, breathing. (NeuroMuskulatur).

Even if you use a respirator with O2 a patient can die because of Corona.

The space between the cell walls is bigger then normal because the Virus is nesting between.

(Usually, even if a patient does not breath himself, as long you give him O2 he will survive. Not in any case with Covid-19, Oxygen Saturation).

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You know, ... about Morphine and CoVod-19 or "wrong medication".

All those old people in Retirement- or NursingHomes are feeded every day with plenty mostly not really needed medicaments.

If you don't take care yourself they let you take all those over years.

The sideeffects are mostly bader then the first problem.

If they day is long, doctors find new medicaments to test at patients against a "sickness" one by one.

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Morphine has not this effect on the brain but an antitussive effect and it slows down the Heartbeat.

http://bfo.pm/bilds/morp.jpg
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine

Just let it go man.
Save your time.

Arkos

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For those who say its just a flu..

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04 … rain-toes#

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Hmm... They were right. (You know, im usually sceptic and need a bit longer )

CoVid-19 is entering over the Enzym ACE2-Rezeptor, (Endothelial cells of the cardiovascular system) into the blood system and reaches like this every organ.

The Endothelial cells work like a protective shield inside the cell walls and manage important transports of molecules through the cell wall.

The Virus destroys those endothelial cells and desturbs the transfer.

In Autopsies at Universitäts Spital Zürich they found that some people had a body wide inflammation of the organs.

They had often people with Thrombosis, Embolism, Meningitis, Apoplexy and life-threatening circulatory disorders in the intestine. (Autopsy).

It's the reason why people with Diabetes or Cardiovascular Diseases count to the Riskgroups, because the Endothel is allready pre-damaged.

But they said also to proof this it needs more studies.

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In Geneva they made a test to found out how many people were infected. In the first estimate based on initial results it came out that 5.5% of the tested people are infected.

They thought it will be much higher. With that low infection rate they think it will take some while before Covid-19 will disappear.

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Air quality report in those times.

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There are 183957 inflected in Italy, 24648 are dead. Hope you can calculate the death rate.

no, 6 to 7 million italians have been infected with coronavirus, as of april 23

whenever i write something in here, its so easy to predict the replies. as anticipated, you all just confirmed how shallow, naive and superficial you are, always mindlessly reciting the easy basic mainstream media layer, not trying to reach the more difficult, deeper, more advanced layers that hold truer, more accurate info. and you are not interpreting things in the right way or trying to question things or doing your own figuring

like expected, youre all using  wrong methods to estimate the corona death rate; by dividing confirmed deaths with confirmed cases, etc.

nameless, the self proclaimed intellectual of simple, believes hes right, went to wikipedia, skimmed a bit, and cant even decipher the data properly. he misunderstands and thinks that “confirmed cases” are the same as “total cases”

wrong

no countries have capacity to test everybody, many humans who get coronavirus are completely asymptomatic, so mainly those who go to doctors and hospitals are tested. dumb people then think that “confirmed cases” is the correct and total amount of infected. doctors and professors around the world have said the same for months now; the real number of covid19 infections are probably 10 – 50 times higher than “confirmed cases”

one of the proper ways to estimate the real corona death rate is to screen a large random group (1000+ humans) and see if they ever have been infected with corona, by testing their blood and detect if they have covid19 antibodies. this has already been done at small scale, various places around the world, recent month, and many countries are planning to use this method on large scale in coming months

businessinsider.com/germany-covid-19-antibody-testing-nationwide-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

current estimates from random blood antibody testing in usa and western europe show that around 4 – 15 % of the populations in these countries already have been infected with covid19, as of late april

technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/

foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-antibody-testing-finds-bay-area-infections-85-times-higher-reported-researchers

dr.dk/nyheder/indland/doedelighed-skal-formentlig-taelles-i-promiller-danske-blodproever-kaster-nyt-lys

thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-only-10-of-italians-have-antibodies-xf7rfxlcq

example 1 : italy only has around 190.000 confirmed cases, since testing capacity is limited (its limited in all countries), but minor sampling has already been done in italy, by looking at random blood samples from thousands of italians, and the current estimate is that 6.500.000 italians have been infected with coronavirus. 25.000 deaths out of 6.500.000 is a death rate of 0,39 %

another way to estimate the total number of infected in a country, is simply to see how many “total humans tested” there are, then extrapolate that number up to total population, and then calculate the death rate from that

example 2 : italy has a population of roughly 60 millions. about 1,5 millions have been tested so far. thats 1/40 of the total population. confirmed cases are around 190.000. that number should then be multiplied by 40, which equals 7.600.000. so, 7.600.000 italians should be expected to test positive, if italy had tested the entire population. 25.000 deaths out of 7.600.000 is a death rate of 0,33 %

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy

the above methods are of course somewhat imprecise, but they still should give a good idea of the death rate

there are many scientific articles out there, and they all come up with the same numbers; in denmark, italy, spain, france, uk, usa etc, the corona death rate is 0,1 % to 0,5 %

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joint

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example 1 : italy only has around 190.000 confirmed cases, since testing capacity is limited (its limited in all countries), but minor sampling has already been done in italy, by looking at random blood samples from thousands of italians, and the current estimate is that 6.500.000 italians have been infected with coronavirus. 25.000 deaths out of 6.500.000 is a death rate of 0,39 %

another way to estimate the total number of infected in a country, is simply to see how many “total humans tested” there are, then extrapolate that number up to total population, and then calculate the death rate from that

example 2 : italy has a population of roughly 60 millions. about 1,5 millions have been tested so far. thats 1/40 of the total population. confirmed cases are around 190.000. that number should then be multiplied by 40, which equals 7.600.000. so, 7.600.000 italians should be expected to test positive, if italy had tested the entire population. 25.000 deaths out of 7.600.000 is a death rate of 0,33 %

those 25k deaths are from confirmed cases, from unconfirmed cases there should be virus caused unrecognized corona deaths, you seem wrong in own logic here.
economic big bust is inevetable noone doubts there will be 'before" and "after", this is historical moment and gonna hurt, but this quarantin isnt suiside but choosing lesser of 2 evils, sometimes mainstream say truth, and "alwys rebbel" thinking people often think by self elaborated patterns, nothing new

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So this old man is driving home from work one day when his wife calls him on the cell, while he is driving.
"Honey, I want you to be VERY careful driving home this evening. I just heard on the radio, there is a car, driving the WRONG way on the highway:.
He replied, "Hell they are ALL driving the wrong way".
Self explanatory.
Harry Nilsson, Badfinger days (1971?) said it best. "We both cant be wrong, I must be right".

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Trumpanzee shines again:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … s-n1191216