#1 2014-10-20 20:40:21

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Dogfight a lot

Hi all,

Some monthes ago, TeamSimple opened a specific "tank" server. Called "Tanks a lot". It was a great idea, offering to people to train in tank fighting.

I wondered if it would be possible, and interesting, to create a "dogfight" server. As "Tanks a lot" runs Aberdeen in a loop, there's a choice for the dogfight server :

-Coral Sea, the classic one, could be modded with "autorepair" carriers
-Gazala TDM, modded without land vehicles/flaks...

I think the choice of Gazala is interesting because of the fog -further than in Coral- and hangars allow to land and repair. Besides it's a wide map with a lot of relief, that may always be interesting for dogfighters...

Anyway, planes could be :
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:: bf109 / Zero / yak9 - Axis
:: Corsair / Mustang / Spitfire - Allies

Could also be a way for dogfighters to avoid trolls in overall maps.

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#2 2014-10-20 21:05:40

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Re: Dogfight a lot

Nice idea Zapp!


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#3 2014-10-20 22:05:53

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Re: Dogfight a lot

I don't think that will be popular mode, but suggestion is interesting.
Anyway, + El Alamein and Philippines (that was modded with two carriers per team) to maplist.
And.. why without flaks, eh?


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#4 2014-10-20 22:48:57

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Re: Dogfight a lot

Just so that the map remains a pure dogfight map... But we can debate about this point, of course...

Especially main bases flaks...

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#5 2014-10-21 00:23:53

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Re: Dogfight a lot

It's a good idea, Zapp. Gazala and El Alamein TDM would make good dogfight maps, in my view. Parachute should be disabled.

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#6 2014-10-21 08:40:56

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Leave parachute but instant death if you bail smile

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Re: Dogfight a lot

What about making "Flettner Arena" map? I also want dogfights, but on helicopter, or heli vs plane. smile


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Btw, why yak9 for axis? It's allied plane!


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Re: Dogfight a lot

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Leave parachute but instant death if you bail smile

Get -3 if you bail big_smile


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#10 2014-10-21 12:31:17

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Re: Dogfight a lot

Does anyone have old Orange server map?


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-3 sounds good Luke:). Death to all bailers

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-3 sounds good Luke:). Death to all bailers

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#13 2014-10-21 17:43:35

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Yep, Orange was the best one for df


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#14 2014-10-21 18:22:05

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Btw, why yak9 for axis? It's allied plane!

Because Allies have more choices in planes than Axis...
We can also think about all kinds of planes on both sides...


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Re: Dogfight a lot

ziba128 wrote:

Yep, Orange was the best one for df

Ziba, i remember you made a mode like from orange.


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Re: Dogfight a lot

great idea... i like it

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#17 2014-10-22 19:38:20

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Re: Dogfight a lot

KarlsoN wrote:

Ziba, i remember you made a mode like from orange.

I made it as a custom map long time ago so it needs to be "converted" to SSM. Here it is https://yadi.sk/d/xQsHxbAWcDY3t


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ziba128 wrote:

I made it as a custom map long time ago so it needs to be "converted" to SSM.

The problem with "new maps" (I mean maps created by players) is that most of new players won't download it. I experienced it. It's better to stay on classic maps...



Having read all that people said (even what Telrin said tongue ) I would suggest :

1. (to Telrin) The aim is not to have 60 players on the server, so if it's not very popular, it's better.
2. Flaks, ok in the main bases. No runway in range (always trolls). No vehicle, no flak, nothing anywhere else. 3 or 4 flaks a base would be ok.
3. Large death bubbles around the runways.
4. Completely disable parachute (I know it's possible in bf2, I don't know for bf1942). Instant death at bail (Score malus wouldn't prevent from trolls)
5. All planes on each side, it will avoid teamstackers who prefer allied or axis planes.
6. Maybe limit the number of players to 30 or 40 (let us see the sky)
7. Mod soldier weapons with only wrenches.
8. Any map you choose, please make it TDM.
9. There must be a hangar (or at least a way to repair a plane without bailing). Auto-repair runways ?
10. Make something, Nameless to die every 10 kills big_smile

Did I forget something ?

Last edited by Zapp (2014-10-22 20:44:14)


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Zapp wrote:

The problem with "new maps" (I mean maps created by players) is that most of new players won't download it. I experienced it. It's better to stay on classic maps...

ziba128 wrote:

so it needs to be "converted" to SSM

SSM = server-side modding, I meant that everything in that map can be done via SSM and players won't need to download anything


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#20 2014-10-22 20:56:04

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I understand SSM, but I thought you were speaking about a new map. If it's a classic map, then no problem. But I still believe that overall condition for a good "special dogfight map" are :

1. (to Telrin) The aim is not to have 60 players on the server, so if it's not very popular, it's better.
2. Flaks, ok in the main bases. No runway in range (always trolls). No vehicle, no flak, nothing anywhere else. 3 or 4 flaks a base would be ok.
3. Large death bubbles around the runways.
4. Completely disable parachute (I know it's possible in bf2, I don't know for bf1942). Instant death at bail (Score malus wouldn't prevent from trolls)
5. All planes on each side, it will avoid teamstackers who prefer allied or axis planes.
6. Maybe limit the number of players to 30 or 40 (let us see the sky)
7. Mod soldier weapons with only wrenches.
8. Any map you choose, please make it TDM.
9. There must be a hangar (or at least a way to repair a plane without bailing). Auto-repair runways ?
10. Make something, Nameless to die every 10 kills big_smile

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#21 2014-10-23 00:32:14

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Death bubbles in planes map it is not a good idea. I believe it is possible to SSM all that you proposed. One thing that can be added is to have planes spawned high up in the air to avoid airfield raping.

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I thought about it, but I think it would ruin the charms of flying... Besides I'm not sure it would be easy to choose the plane you want : You select a spawn point, but it will give you a random plane if you don't know where exactly to spawn.

The aim is to have the choice between all kinds of planes, even bombers (except B17 and JU88A -and even, why not-). If someone wants only hunters and spawn wrong in a bomber... it's a shame...


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Just make it no base attack, remove aa and have dogfighting

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Just make it no base attack, remove aa and have dogfighting

Removing aa from the base would just end up in noobs raping the base. There should always be an admin online then...


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How to make it no base attack without death bubbles? Unless you put some repair bubbles in airfields, that prevent planes from being destroyed in airfield runway.
I think best alternative is to spawn planes high in the air, and have some 3 or 4 spawns you can choose to start with a fighter or bomber plane.

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How to make it no base attack without death bubbles? Unless you put some repair bubbles in airfields, that prevent planes from being destroyed in airfield runway.
I think best alternative is to spawn planes high in the air, and have some 3 or 4 spawns you can choose to start with a fighter or bomber plane.

Long spawntimes + this maybe?


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Removing aa from the base would just end up in noobs raping the base. There should always be an admin online then...

+1 but we have to consider the bailing malus as well : bailing from AA would make the same as bailing from a plane... Or it can be modded too ?
I agree with AA in main bases, but if the problem I quoted remains, then we'll have to make death bubbles around main bases.

tuia wrote:

How to make it no base attack without death bubbles? Unless you put some repair bubbles in airfields, that prevent planes from being destroyed in airfield runway.
I think best alternative is to spawn planes high in the air, and have some 3 or 4 spawns you can choose to start with a fighter or bomber plane.

Repair bubbles don't prevent from base attacks in usual Battle of Britain...
Personnally, I prefer choosing the plane I want to ride in. Keep planes on the ground. Give each team 3 or 4 flaks that can't aim planes, make them "bailable", and everything will be fine. Everyone can choose his plane, Make of it a pure DF server... It's easy, just follow the steps I wrote above.

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Please, no death or repair bubbles. You have already spoiled one map like Battle of Britain where it takes too much time to shoot a plane down because of low hit ratio. But it's not the worst thing there. The worst things is repair bubble at runways: when you almost shot the enemy, he just flies over the runway and it helps him to get 100 hit points again.

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Re: Dogfight a lot

I agree with you. But to avoid plane raping what do you think is the best solution AA in airfields or planes spawning in air?

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The air plane spawn would be much more preferable for this server.

P. S. And one more thing I forgot to say... At Battle of Britain, the bomber climb rate is even higher than the fighter plane climb rate. When I drive a bomber there, I just go up like a rocket and nobody can get me there. smile

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