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Today I was drinking vodka with my colleagues and this made us to raise debates about Yugoslavia, Ireland, Scotland and Crimea, of course. As far as you know, there will be a referendum tomorrow and I thought that all the issues and conflicts about the Crimean status are based on the imperfection of the international law accepted between countries and nations. I will try to explain. There are at least two principles under international laws that may contradict each other. Hence, it becomes the issue of priority: the right of nations to self-determination and territorial integrity.

What has the highest priority?

  1. The right of nations to self-determination
  2. Territorial integrity
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#31 2014-03-16 23:07:01

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"self-defence forces" with apc´s, machineguns and professional military equipment. Seriously, i don´t believe that.

Nobody believes and everybody knows where did they get the equipment and vehicles. From Russia, of course. Also, there are a lot of Russian forces in Crimea and somewhere close to Crimea in case of conflict. That's why there is no war there.

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#32 2014-03-16 23:21:41

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I´m not sure what is meant as irony and what not.

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#33 2014-03-16 23:42:32

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There is no irony at all this time.

It's funny thing but today Russian opposition held the demonstration in Russia against military aggression and referendum in Crimea.

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On the contrary, people of the eastern part of Ukraine support Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF_SNvgCmhs

World goes mad.

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#34 2014-03-17 00:02:27

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Frank(Ger) wrote:

"self-defence forces" with apc´s, machineguns and professional military equipment. Seriously, i don´t believe that.

you don't have to, you're not russian ;-)

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#35 2014-03-17 05:50:09

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who does, who cares that noone does.. s[sk], youre polit and historic literate, cant you see the irony?

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#36 2014-03-17 16:30:14

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a big war is coming.

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#37 2014-03-18 19:36:59

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News says something about Ukrainian soldiers attacked at base in Crimea. 1 killed 1 wounded :-/

Breaking
NewsUkraine's troops in Crimea have been authorized to use weapons, Ukraine's Ministry of Defense website

Oh shit!

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#38 2014-03-18 19:47:50

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“This is a war crime without any statute of limitations,"coup-appointed Prime-Minister Yatsenyuk told a meeting at the Ukrainian Defense Ministry.

big_smile would be nice soup in the morning

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#39 2014-03-19 07:07:52

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2 killed in shooting near Crimea military research center, 'sniper detained'

http://rt.com/news/crimea-shooting-military-center-646/

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They should just roll out the nukes already.

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They should just roll out the nukes already.

Yes, straight to the arse of that fucking sniper.

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They should just roll out the nukes already.

ukraine gave up their nukes in 90s in exchange for russian promise that they won't touch their borders

and i wouldn't joke about nukes sunshine, they're talking about how russia is able to turn USA into radioactive dust on russian national tv, nameless for sure can find you a video with english subs ;-)

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Sunshine wrote:

They should just roll out the nukes already.

ukraine gave up their nukes in 90s in exchange for russian promise that they won't touch their borders

I think you live in the parallel reality where you can create your own history. Read the document.

Protocol to the Treaty on the reduction and limitation of strategic offensive arms
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/27389.pdf

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and i wouldn't joke about nukes sunshine, they're talking about how russia is able to turn USA into radioactive dust on russian national tv, nameless for sure can find you a video with english subs ;-)

Don't talk bullshit, nobody of the officials could say that.

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#44 2014-03-19 12:03:50

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Stupid Russians. Long live America and the capitalism.

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Syndrum² wrote:

a big war is coming.

Don't think so.

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s[sk] wrote:
Sunshine wrote:

They should just roll out the nukes already.

ukraine gave up their nukes in 90s in exchange for russian promise that they won't touch their borders

and i wouldn't joke about nukes sunshine, they're talking about how russia is able to turn USA into radioactive dust on russian national tv, nameless for sure can find you a video with english subs ;-)


I saw that too. TV here showed the guy saying that. Itcwas a Dmitry Kiselyov who said it. I looked him up and I found he is: head of the new official Russian government owned international news agency Rossiya Segodnya. I'm not worried about such threats that anyone makes like that.

I didn't LITERALLY mean drop the nukes. I mean if one side has a goal, just do it already.

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Itcwas a Dmitry Kiselyov who said it.

He is a TV presenter and he has got his own TV-show "News of the Week".

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and i wouldn't joke about nukes sunshine, they're talking about how russia is able to turn USA into radioactive dust on russian national tv, nameless for sure can find you a video with english subs ;-)

Don't talk bullshit, nobody of the officials could say that.

so rosiya-1 isn't state owned (propaganda) national tv?
and that weirdo isn't actually putin appointed director of a new state owned news agency (Russia Today) that replaces Ria Novosti that probably wasn't enough north-korean like? ;-)

or what was untrue in there?
(yea, should've been "ash", not "dust", sorry)

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nämeless wrote:
s[sk] wrote:

and i wouldn't joke about nukes sunshine, they're talking about how russia is able to turn USA into radioactive dust on russian national tv, nameless for sure can find you a video with english subs ;-)

Don't talk bullshit, nobody of the officials could say that.

so rosiya-1 isn't state owned (propaganda) national tv?
and that weirdo isn't actually putin appointed director of a new state owned news agency (Russia Today) that replaces Ria Novosti that probably wasn't enough north-korean like? ;-)

or what was untrue in there?
(yea, should've been "ash", not "dust", sorry)

There is a big difference between faulty reasoning of a stupid TV presenter and the official statement of the defence minister, prime minister or president. The officials said nothing like that, but a TV presenter in his own TV-show is free to say everything he want to say and the only limitation is his own stupidity. It seems you are in the same limits. Hahaha...

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There is a big difference between faulty reasoning of a stupid TV presenter and the official statement of the defence minister, prime minister or president. The officials said nothing like that, but a TV presenter in his own TV-show is free to say everything he want to say and the only limitation is his own stupidity. It seems you are in the same limits. Hahaha...

so you first misinterpret my original statement where i did not say anything about ministers or presidents and then just try to downplay that wacko as being absolute "niemand" in your soviet hierarchy
nice try tho ;-)

every country has some mad people but they usually don't get their own tv show on national tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwLvPR2KedI

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This guy has arsehole instead of his brain.

s[sk] wrote:

every country has some mad people but they usually don't get their own tv show on national tv

You know nothing about U.S. TV then.
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I can admit that you are very good in polemics and it's very difficult for me to make discussion, because I prefer to mention facts and it makes me being very restricted within these fact... Unlike you. You are always free to make fantasies, lies etc.

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We have lots of idiots on TV because they have the right to be. Freedom of speech/expression and press is for smart ppl and dummies. If they are too stupid and ppl don't watch, then they go away unless they are using their own money to fund it.


But if u think US TV is bad... you should hear the radio lol.

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Freedom of speech/expression and .

You really believe in it?

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We have lots of idiots on TV because they have the right to be. Freedom of speech/expression and press is for smart ppl and dummies. If they are too stupid and ppl don't watch, then they go away unless they are using their own money to fund it.


But if u think US TV is bad... you should hear the radio lol.

We live in the times of information war and it does mean we should use brain to obtain the proper information from a lot of sources and analyse it.

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We have lots of idiots on TV because they have the right to be. Freedom of speech/expression and press is for smart ppl and dummies. If they are too stupid and ppl don't watch, then they go away unless they are using their own money to fund it.

can you give me some name from PBS that's similar to this dmitry guy?
i want to google some clips

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Freedom of speech/expression and .

You really believe in it?

Works for me.

Nameless, it is just another source. The way I see it... it is my responsibility to gather more info. Except the weather. Because those meteorologists are ALWAYS spot on!

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s[sk] wrote:
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We have lots of idiots on TV because they have the right to be. Freedom of speech/expression and press is for smart ppl and dummies. If they are too stupid and ppl don't watch, then they go away unless they are using their own money to fund it.

can you give me some name from PBS that's similar to this dmitry guy?
i want to google some clips

Oh I have no idea. I don't watch PBS. Umm...  Look for NPR on Google. You should be able to find some like what you're looking for. A lot of people don't want PBS or NPR to be paid for with taxes because they only represent one side of the political view usually... rather extremely at times. I only listened to it a few times when my dad was yelling at them big_smile

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Making violent threats isn't free speech as it sounds. Threatening to kill people isn't ok.

He won't go to prison anyway. Especially in Texas.

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It was obviously just fun, i can't see any threatening at all.

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