#1 2013-12-25 00:25:10

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Basecamping?

Today I got kicked for basecamping without basecamping (I think).

This is how it happened. I did fly a Me109 over the british camp, realised where I was, I think I did not attack the base even before, but certainly not after finding out where I was. I rather intended to fly down south, when I was suddenly shot at from behind. Tried to fly tight circles to evade. Tight circles of course don't bring you anywhere else, so I was still close to the british base. After a while (and a vertical loop) the situation was clear, I flew off, where, somewhere above the mountains to the west of the base, I was finally shot down - so still not as clear as I had thougt. ;-)

I reincarnated in the german base (the airfield), and wanted to climb into another Me109, where suddenly I was kicked for "attacking the enemy base" or so.

I don't mind when you generally kick people for staying close to the enemy base too long (probably it is difficult for admins to distinguish?). But then please say so, because basecamping is defined as ATTACKING the enemy base, which I did not do. I did not even attack the airplane that attacked me.

Any explanation or guidline would be welcome, just for future situations like this.

BTW: At another occasion I have rightfully been kicked for basecamping with a sniper gun, in the Bocage. I don't refer to that one!

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#2 2013-12-25 11:08:19

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Re: Basecamping?

Guideline, avoid playing on server when admin present, you will have more chance to not get kicked unfairly

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#3 2013-12-25 13:42:40

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Re: Basecamping?

Denny wrote:

Avoid playing on server when admin present.

Impossibruuu!

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#4 2013-12-25 15:01:58

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avoid when moon is on server too

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#5 2013-12-25 15:38:36

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Re: Basecamping?

Denny wrote:

avoid when moon is on server too


impossibruuuu

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#6 2013-12-25 17:22:56

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Re: Basecamping?

Timmos will be giving an instructional presentation in the following days about the basecamping rule to all admins and players interested. Topics approached:

  • Basecamping a new plague?

  • Borderlines and special cases

  • Ethics of basecamping

The lecture will last 30 minutes and it will be broadcasted in English, Dutch and sign language. 10 minutes will follow to place all your questions and praises. Registrations are limited to 15. Message Timmos for more details and prices. Register quickly because first one will be awarded Timmos' upcoming book "Frag spree - How to play like a leet BF1942 pro".

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#7 2013-12-25 17:57:04

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Re: Basecamping?

Could you tell me where I can download Power Point presentation about baseraping by Timmos for extramural study?

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#8 2013-12-25 18:07:09

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Re: Basecamping?

Timmos never baserapes. It's those special cases and borderline situations, which most players think it's forbidden. After Timmos' presentation, everything will be clear about basecamping rule and it will open you new horizons in life.

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#9 2013-12-25 19:19:21

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Re: Basecamping?

tuia wrote:

"Frag spree - How to play like a leet BF1942 pro".

Didn't he meant: "Flame spree - How to cry in a fleet BF1942 pro"?

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#10 2013-12-25 20:15:45

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Re: Basecamping?

kobra4fun wrote:
tuia wrote:

"Frag spree - How to play like a leet BF1942 pro".

Didn't he meant: "Flame spree - How to cry in a fleet BF1942 pro"?

smile)))))   he can teach us about maphack, macros etc. I saw some skilful vids here wink

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#11 2013-12-25 21:18:24

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Re: Basecamping?

ye if u want to i can teach u about that also, but even when ill teach u u will suck bigtime smile

btw n1 Tuia! for you ill make an extra presentation with pictures and a great storyline. Otherwise u won't get it because ur stupid as f*ck

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#12 2013-12-25 23:29:54

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Re: Basecamping?

Timmos wrote:

ye if u want to i can teach u about that also, but even when ill teach u u will suck bigtime smile

btw n1 Tuia! for you ill make an extra presentation with pictures and a great storyline. Otherwise u won't get it because ur stupid as f*ck

Don't you contradict yourself within the last two sentences?

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#13 2013-12-25 23:31:46

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Re: Basecamping?

Timmos wrote:

ye if u want to i can teach u about that also, but even when ill teach u u will suck bigtime smile

btw n1 Tuia! for you ill make an extra presentation with pictures and a great storyline. Otherwise u won't get it because ur stupid as f*ck

I expect too that you can explain as simple as possible, idiot proof, giving some examples of your plane taking off kills at Kharkov, Kursk and Battleaxe, what is and what is not basecamping.

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#14 2013-12-25 23:34:21

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tuia wrote:
Timmos wrote:

ye if u want to i can teach u about that also, but even when ill teach u u will suck bigtime smile

btw n1 Tuia! for you ill make an extra presentation with pictures and a great storyline. Otherwise u won't get it because ur stupid as f*ck

I expect too that you can explain as simple as possible, idiot proof, giving some examples of your plane taking off kills at Kharkov, Kursk and Battleaxe, what is and what is not basecamping.

You understood nothing, the interpretation of the rules depends on the mood!

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#15 2013-12-25 23:36:04

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You understood nothing, the interpretation of the rules depends on the mood!

And the persons involved.

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#16 2013-12-26 00:28:43

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Re: Basecamping?

tuia wrote:
Timmos wrote:

ye if u want to i can teach u about that also, but even when ill teach u u will suck bigtime smile

btw n1 Tuia! for you ill make an extra presentation with pictures and a great storyline. Otherwise u won't get it because ur stupid as f*ck

I expect too that you can explain as simple as possible, idiot proof, giving some examples of your plane taking off kills at Kharkov, Kursk and Battleaxe, what is and what is not basecamping.

Bocage, guadalcanal, etc..

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#17 2013-12-26 23:20:16

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Well, I don't understand nothing, but at least you are amusing! ;-)

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#18 2013-12-26 23:45:43

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Re: Basecamping?

welcome to SiMPLE. where not everything is simple
(ps. always write server name like this: SiMPLE) wink

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#19 2013-12-26 23:46:10

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f*ck we look like weirdos

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#20 2014-02-01 23:23:34

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Re: Basecamping?

Today at battleaxe Clarisse was in his base and was sniping from there. I also had sniper and woundet him, so he started running. I killed him with another shot, then he warned me for basecamp.

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#21 2014-02-01 23:52:50

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Frank(Ger) wrote:

Today at battleaxe Clarisse was in his base and was sniping from there. I also had sniper and wounded him, so he started running. I killed him with another shot, then he warned me for base camp.


Don't start the story from the end. U were shooting guys there that weren't even snipers. Just getting your camp/easy/lame kills.

I spawned there, airfield, and was looking for more snipers shooting base, SHING and another one, because i saw guys getting killed by them in base. I got a glimpse of SHING after looking around, in the meantime I killed 2 snipers shooting there when i was looking, when u shot me.  I warned you that you could not shoot base unless you were being shot at. Clearly I wasn't shooting at you, and clearly you were just getting targets there and that´s the main point here. 

The base is no safe zone, if you are being shot at of course you can shoot back but you weren't being shot at, it was your intention just to shoot there and get easy kills and come here tell me the story "no no, they shot me from there and then I shot back".

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#22 2014-02-02 00:21:38

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So he need to wait until you shoot at him ??? when you start shooting youre active or you were searching for easy kill instead kicking them. I dont get what flags have with that?

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#23 2014-02-02 00:39:27

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Can you read, can you understand clearly what I said or you want to interpret it your own way? I SAID he can shoot base if being shot at. He can NOT shoot base in any other circunstance. Those are the ACTUAL RULES, here.  I dont like the rule either, shooting base with sniper should be allowed always to avoid this kinda stuff, which can be hard to judge, and that´s why I only warned and didnt kicked anyone, and can lead to this confusion.

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#24 2014-02-02 00:50:30

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You killed two snipers from base, its not matter if you shoot to frank or not, you already shoot form main youre active, he is not going to wait until you hit him to hit back.
''  I warned you that you could not shoot base unless all flags are taken''  what sniping have with flags ?

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#25 2014-02-02 01:10:17

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Re: Basecamping?

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You killed two snipers from base, its not matter if you shoot to frank or not, you already shoot form main youre active, he is not going to wait until you hit him to hit back.
''  I warned you that you could not shoot base unless all flags are taken''  what sniping have with flags ?


The all flags was a mistake, that rule doesn't exist. Forget about it.

Im not blaming Frank, that´s why I only warned him, im blaming the rule that leads to different interpretations and in mine Frank was actively shooting base and making other players there reactive to it. Its like who shot first?  When are you active?? If I spawn in base as sniper and immediately I get shot at and reply back and some other sniper seems me (e.g Frank) and shoots me, was i active or my reaction to a rule breaking made me (re)active?. The rule should be taken out, period.

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#26 2014-02-02 01:33:18

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action-reaction law tongue if you shoot back you are active we heard it here 100 times he cant know do you just react to others or search for kills. if they abuse rule kick them ...

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#27 2014-02-02 01:41:58

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action-reaction law tongue if you shoot back you are active we heard it here 100 times he cant know do you just react to others or search for kills. if they abuse rule kick them ...

of course you are active but some players will just shoot base and then say "he was shooting, he was active". How can u contest that? Btw i can be in base just zooming/aiming with sniper and not shooting, will that make me active? smile How can the guy prove he really saw me actually shooting and not only zooming/aiming? Again, not to Frank, and im in a way glad he brought this here, its a opportunity to discuss this rule and in my opinion just remove it.

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#28 2014-02-02 01:56:49

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Its not important what they think, its matter what you saw you are admin, you got rights cuz youre trustful like other admins,except timmos ofc tongue
if you spawn and get killed kick the killer, Its simple for me, if you disable that rule than should be also remove baseattack rule. Remove that rules and get more mess than now-action reaction smile

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#29 2014-02-02 02:08:15

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What i saw as admin matters ofc but it is important to hear what they think, we can do mistakes and its good to hear others. In this case, the perspectives from both sides can lead to different interpretations and wrong decisions.

"Disabling" the sniper rule has much less impact than removing the rest of the baseattack rule wink

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#30 2014-02-02 08:42:21

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Lecter wrote:

Btw i can be in base just zooming/aiming with sniper and not shooting, will that make me active? smile

First of all, you have to prove that Frank was basecamping. He has not to prove that he i isn't.

And don't overcomplicate it. If someone is shooting out of the base, you can shot back. But if someone is only sitting in an AA without shooting, you are allowed to bomb him with a plane. He isn't sitting just for fun in the AA.

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