Cheat or Skill?!

YourMother · 2012-07-26 17:39:24

Hmm i see this player on 1 map .... also sergey, shoots before seeing an enemy... also i make a vid in the next <.< where he is flying plane, stats was awesome...

the vid not long but for me was enough. i was looking him before long enough

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Lecter · 2012-07-26 17:47:50

I dont understand what´s the problem here?

YourMother · 2012-07-26 17:49:32

he flying the plane in 2 maps he bombed places, whre i see no enemy... but he does it... it was on Kursk or Kharkov the same with fighter plane he bombs areas before enemy was there to see but killed a lot löl?

Now i want know is this normal (only skilled) or he uses a maphack...

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dary · 2012-07-26 18:00:36

What was his name?

YourMother · 2012-07-26 18:01:37

Debauchery , you see it not in the vid?^^

Look at the beginning ... he bombs in area, on map i see only blue points no tk, but the 2 enemy i do not see... he killed... same almost to end there

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Lecter · 2012-07-26 18:05:31

i suck at flying so i dont know the "logistic" behind it but...i think a really skillfull pilot can find enemies even without seeing them, it comes with experience and a instinct developed by many hours of flying im almost sure. Its like infantry, alot of times u dont see but u guess where the enemy is or his moves...it just flows

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dary · 2012-07-26 18:07:47

ah ok sry, you edited your post.

I didnt see nothing unusual.

YourMother · 2012-07-26 18:07:57

im also not good pilot that's why my question, also in the first map he killed with Ilyushin tanks who i not see from so far away... every shot(bomb) a hit(kill!)! oO

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dary · 2012-07-26 18:13:59

You mean you speced him as well on Kharkov and Kursk, right? Now i understand what you mean. You just have to consider, that he has another point of view then a spec like you were. Of course he sees enemies earlier when he has the view inside the plane..

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TOOKIE GOODNITE · 2012-07-26 18:18:02

The flag is white, so if FF is off he can bomb away without fear of TK'ing anybody and yet get rid off enemy trying to capture flag.
I'm not saying he aint hacking, but I also see no reason to suspect him of it.

sergfa · 2012-07-26 18:22:22

YourMother wrote:

Hmm i see this player on 1 map .... also sergey, shoots before seeing an enemy... also i make a vid in the next <.< where he is flying plane, stats was awesome...
the vid not long but for me was enough. i was looking him before long enough

I just said "it looks strange" it does look like a fog hack, but im not sure. He bombed through the fog and kills every units on the ground. (on kursk)

maybe it was Ivo, with another serial-key as usual.

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Denny · 2012-07-26 19:30:13

on the video i dont know whats the problem lol, guy bombs only red flag in area..
its not ivo...i will spec him but i think hes clear..

YourMother · 2012-07-26 19:37:36

yes my fail. was to late, had i make the vid earlier ... but must look after keycombination, but in the meantime i change that, i get it faster next time

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Timmos · 2012-07-27 02:27:45

well he can count the spawntime, and then after the spawn is done drop bomb on it? imo its not a hacker, but i only saw him flying the b17..

Buckshot · 2012-08-02 17:13:13

The first 8 seconds of this clip has the aircraft in a nose down attitude and the ground is obscured by fog. There are no reference points for the viewer however the aircraft made a slight adjustment in his attitude and released the bombs prior to coming out of the fog as evidenced at second 8 when the bombs are impacting the ground as the plane came out of the fog.

If he is flying by the mini-map, how does he maintain the correct attitude without any reference points due to fog obscuration? I have experienced flyers who are placing effective MG fires on AA emplacements prior to them becoming visible. Diving through fog this is impossible due to the lack of reference points caused by fog obscuration.

Again look at seconds 1:19 through his bomb run. Again you see slight adjustments in attitude while diving. Again there is no reference points to make these adjustments. In between 1:23 and 1:24 the bombs are released as the fog clears. One bombs is already on the way prior or as the fog clears.

Without reference points, how did this pilot make the adjustments as seen in the video to lay down that accurate a bomb run? This pilot can't make adjustments on the target unless he can see the target. Tookie made the point that he was bombing a gray flag and that he did not have to worry about FF. This is true FF needs to be part of the game for that purpose. This pilot may have the ESP hack and know there was enemy at his target. The ESP in not evidenced here so much as this pilot can dive through the fog making attitude adjustments without any visible reference points and produce satisfactory target effect.

This should be considered as evidence of a fog hacker and YourMother’s film technique used to investigate other suspicious pilots. Your Mother I believe you did an outstanding job and this should be used to ban this hacking asshat and anymore that you may film.

X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X · 2012-08-02 18:16:04

the "console.showStats 1" command will display your altitude, coordinates and speed on-screen ....

this can be used for "blind bombing" / "high-altitude" bombing and many many other things ......

as far as i know, it's not considered a cheat / hack, since it's a mechanism that's built into the game ...

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Buckshot · 2012-08-02 18:27:15

So you still need reference points to aim the bombs dude.

X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X · 2012-08-02 18:32:39

no you dont ..... minimap and X Y Z coordinates is all you need .... believe me ...

i see nothing in that video indicating a cheat / hack

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Lecter · 2012-08-02 18:50:14

LastResort wrote:

still dont see the problem here. even i can fly like this lol

m2....:D

Buckshot · 2012-08-02 19:03:40

I just looked up the console stats and there is nothing helpful there but speed, which effects bomb drop. You don’t have altitude, direction, or horizon reference “attitude” and the most important factor in successful target engagement, an aim point. Map position on the console stats has about 10 decimal places and is constantly changing.

How do you engage bomb targets with "X,Y,Z" coordinates? You look at the mini map and see the target position in reference to your position. You have the horizontal “X” and vertical “Y” so is “Z” altitude? Your argument is specious at best, you have to have a bomb drop rate, distance to target, along with altitude, in conjunction with the console provided speed.

Even if somehow you can explain all this away as you do in you weak argument in support of hacking, without an aim point it is impossible to accurately bomb.

So please explain how you bomb blind through the fog using "X,Y,Z" coordinates?

X=X=X=X=X=X=X=X · 2012-08-02 19:53:53

the "console.showStats 1" command enables an onscreen speedometer, altimeter, and x,y coordinates ...

bf1942 maps and space use the metric system, and all distances / speeds can be calculated ....

so when using this while flying in the bomber .... you know your exact :

speed
altitude
X / Y position

+ you have your minimap

this is all you need to be able to bomb from high altitude without being able to see the ground because of fog / clouds

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Buckshot · 2012-08-02 22:43:46

So what you still need an aim point. the video showed a plane diving and dropping bombs on fog obscured targets accurately, the discussion has nothing to do with high altitude bombing NOOB.

Denny · 2012-08-02 23:24:30

Buckshot wrote:

So what you still need an aim point. the video showed a plane diving and dropping bombs on fog obscured targets accurately, the discussion has nothing to do with high altitude bombing NOOB.

obviously you have never been in a b17, when u throw 3 bombs in front of the flag, it will kill all people in range of 10 meters, you don't have to bomb directly in his head to kill him, it doesn't require excessive skill to use b17 and bomb spawn points...
i don't really understand your question

Tommy · 2012-08-09 16:40:37

sergfa wrote:

YourMother wrote:
Hmm i see this player on 1 map .... also sergey, shoots before seeing an enemy... also i make a vid in the next <.< where he is flying plane, stats was awesome...
the vid not long but for me was enough. i was looking him before long enough
I just said "it looks strange" it does look like a fog hack, but im not sure. He bombed through the fog and kills every units on the ground. (on kursk)
maybe it was Ivo, with another serial-key as usual.

Whats wrong with Ivo?

tuia · 2012-08-10 00:09:31

Tommy wrote:

Whats wrong with Ivo?

I think he meant, it could be a skilled pilot bombing on Kursk, so it could have been Ivo, using another fakename.

Buckshot · 2012-08-11 04:11:18

No you don't get it, it is not about bombing spawn points. It is about hacking and way to catch them doing so. YourMother has found a way to do it. I think he has a way to look at them but this example is not perfect.

His effort to find a hacker is exemplary, the evidence is not perfect. I am not saying it is. I give parameters that are meters for someone else to examine and make the call. YourMother has given admin a way to examine the hackers and I think he should be considered as an exploratory genius.

Please look at the technique, not the results. I say YourMother has given up a way to expose Hackers whether you think this asshole is hacking or no. All you nub nuts who think I am calling him a hacker or not, you are ignorant of the sheer level of my argument that Yourmother has a incontestable way to prove hackers when properly applied.

All you admins need too have Yourmothers' film ability. That has been my point since the beginning. So excuse your bubby or what ever. get on bard with YourMother and ferrwetrb the cheating bastards out instead of making excuses for them.

Timmos · 2012-08-11 05:42:57

where is the topic i am hacking? i am pro also

Denny · 2012-08-11 14:14:35

Buckshot, we do that too since years as lasty said, you have much more things to learn about this game..
but you cant go and spec all players that killed you somehow in a good way, this b17 thing is so easy that i dont know how can someone suspect of this, in good old times there were people that had up to 100 kills and 0 deaths on map with b17...not everyone is a hacker...focus more of your time in enjoying the game, dont stress yourself

Trance Panther · 2012-08-11 14:41:06

sorry for offtopic post but can some1 ask youmother dat he should stick to his old nickname? i keep seein him changing his name many times
u cannot know which admin are behind & it is annoyin, also i miss his german-english posts on forum )) where did he go?

YourMother · 2012-08-11 15:21:06

Pink Panther wrote:

sorry for offtopic post but can some1 ask youmother dat he should stick to his old nickname? i keep seein him changing his name many times
u cannot know which admin are behind & it is annoyin, also i miss his german-english posts on forum )) where did he go?

I'm sorry pink, I'm a worse admin, if I may give some people believe, and that's why I want to let others work sometimes.
Also, I see people they don't give a damn for the rules because they think no admin is on ...
But would it like to play all the time so far have sensible, even if there is no admin

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